# Female teachers having sex With teenage stdents: Whats behind this? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 25, 2005, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625 "2005-01-25T18:39:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/21 "2005-01-26T03:53:40Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I just saw the latest case…a 40-something female HS teacher was charged with statutory rape of a child…she had parties for her male students, and plied them with alcohol and marijuana. One 19 year old claims he was raped by the woman. > Quite frankly, I don’t see how a woaman can rape an 18 year old boy…by anyway: Could you please verify if the Smoking Gun article is the same story? Because many of the details in your OP are inconsistent with the article. The article states that the woman has sex with 5 kids: three 17 year-olds and two 16 year-olds. Unlawful Sexual Conduct charges are filed only for the two 16 year-olds. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/22 "2005-01-26T05:31:23Z")
> [@](#): > > **Ralph124C** : Is such a charge likely to be dismissed on general principles? > [@](#): > > **Lamia** : That’s a revolting idea, and I hope any judge that suggested such a thing would be sacked. That is essentially what happened to a colleague of mine. She was found “not guilty” by a jury because the young man, who was seventeen at the time, was fairly independent and not living with his parents. Theirs was an on-going relationship. Unfortunately, I think this was a pattern with her. She did lose her license to teach, however. And that does seem an appropriate punishment for her. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/23 "2005-01-26T07:10:30Z")
If I got to have sex with one of my teachers when I was in middle school, I wouldn’t consider it rape as much as I would the GREATEST FUCKING THING EVER. Especially since many of these teachers getting caught doing this are pretty good looking. ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/24 "2005-01-26T07:29:33Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > Especially since many of these teachers getting caught doing this are pretty good looking. Perhaps that shows that teenage boys can be discriminating. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/25 "2005-01-26T08:06:52Z")
Why is it these kinds of threads invariably end up with a couple guys thumping their chests and saying, “Me man. Me like sex. Ugh.” Just because _you’re_ a horndog doesn’t mean everyone is. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/26 "2005-01-26T10:24:27Z")
**Aahala** : “more seduction than rape” Raising an interesting point–does the word “seduction” have much meaning anymore? Is there, IOW, a use for that word that someone else will not claim to describe a form of rape? I’m trying to think of a scenario wherein I “seduce” someone, which I take to mean, in the conventional sense, to scheme or trick or somehow lure her into a sexual relationship with me which she didn’t enter fully willingly, yet which doesn’t open the door to suggestions that I have raped her. I’m stumped. Does “seduction” exist in 2005 without “rape” being present? ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/27 "2005-01-26T10:33:46Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > What I want to know is, where were these female teachers who had sex with their teenage students when **I** was a teenager? It would’ve saved me a lot of grief. They were perving on the cool boys, the ones on the football team or the ones who could play guitar, just like the good looking girls your age who weren’t puttin’ out for you either. ---
**Author:** ![aahala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@aahala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aahala)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/28 "2005-01-26T15:15:26Z")
> [@pseudotriton ruber ruber](#): > > **Aahala** : “more seduction than rape” I’m not sure there is a clear line, nor was I trying to make some deep point. I have since read the affidavits from the link provided. Apparently these boys were going to the woman’s house repeatedly. While the content of the events were alcohol, drugs and sex, I think it’s more than that. It seems the situation was like a cult, an extremely “bent” individual, the woman, leading the boys, who possibly had problems before all this took place. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/29 "2005-01-26T15:25:18Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > Just because _you’re_ a horndog doesn’t mean everyone is. No, but we ARE the majority. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/30 "2005-01-26T15:49:58Z")
All right, question-how is this any different from what happened with the Catholic priest scandal-priests targetting altar boys. Now, I’m sure that some of these boys were in their early teens, and some were probably indeed gay. Or altar girls who may have been abused since they started allowing female altar servers. I’m getting a _very_ disturbing message here-that as long as these teachers were young and “hot”, it was okay. So a “hot chick” can do no wrong? What if these teachers weren’t so easy on the eyes? What then? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/31 "2005-01-26T17:13:43Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I, as a former teenaged boy, am not offended when someone suggests most teenaged boys will happily fuck anything on two legs. It’s just an embarassing, but funny, fact of life. It is not a fact, and it isn’t funny. It is a useless and unfortunate socialized generalization with no substantive basis. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/32 "2005-01-26T17:19:28Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So a “hot chick” can do no wrong? Well, DUH! Did you just arrive on this planet? 😉 > [@](#): > > What if these teachers weren’t so easy on the eyes? What then? Again, DUH! That’s what the booze was for. 😃 Seriously, though, from a legal standpoint, and that’s all that really matters in these cases, a teacher or any other adult, male or female, hot or not, who has sex with a child younger than the age of consent has committed rape, no matter how interested and compliant the child was. There may be _additional_ contractual restrictions but there are no mitigating circumstances unless the child forces the adult to have sex. We can joke about the horniness of most teenaged boys (excepting STS **Polycarp** and **blowero** 😉 ) and that the majority would jump at the chance of free sex **but that doesn’t matter!** It is still against the law. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/33 "2005-01-26T17:21:25Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > If I got to have sex with one of my teachers when I was in middle school, I wouldn’t consider it rape as much as I would the GREATEST FUCKING THING EVER. Especially since many of these teachers getting caught doing this are pretty good looking. This is exceedingly foolish, and dead wrong. Boys caught actually in these circumstances have had their lives royally messed up. It’s an amusing fantasy to some, but the facts are that statuatory rape leads to significant emotional damage which can carry well into adulthood. Vili Fuluaa (to name one famous example) is not a content, well-adjusted man with happy memories. He is emotionally screwed up and facing an extremely problematic future. The likelihood is, if YOU had been seduced by one of your middle-school teachers, you would have been scared witless, and would still be dealing with emotional scars arising from the experience. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Bird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Little\_Bird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Bird)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/34 "2005-01-26T17:55:58Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > If I got to have sex with one of my teachers when I was in middle school, I wouldn’t consider it rape as much as I would the GREATEST FUCKING THING EVER. Especially since many of these teachers getting caught doing this are pretty good looking. Compare this to a few other things you wanted to do in middle school and high school. It might have seemed to you that the greatest thing in the world would be your mom and dad going away and leaving you alone forever (I know I thought about it once or twice). Or perhaps that you had all the candy and ice cream you could ever eat for every meal. Maybe your fantasy was to drop out of school, buy a motorcycle and take to the open road (my dad’s fantasy in med school). None of these things would have turned out well for you if they had actually happened. You may have been scarred for life, mentally or physically. Fantasies are fun when they stay locked in your brain, but not always when they come true. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/35 "2005-01-26T17:58:47Z")
Middle school students, yeah, I’ll grant that they might not react positively to being seduced and are unlikely to be emotionally mature enough for sex. Sixteen year olds are a completely different animal and when the _legal_ determining factor of whether it was rape is on which side of a date the sex occurred AND in which _state_ it occurred we should think before we start talking about emotional scars. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/36 "2005-01-26T19:14:55Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > We can joke about the horniness of most teenaged boys (excepting STS **Polycarp** and **blowero** 😉 ) I usually like jokes, but yours are in exceedingly poor taste, especially considering the subject matter. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/37 "2005-01-26T19:37:25Z")
> [@](#): > > I, as a former teenaged boy, am not offended when someone suggests most teenaged boys will happily fuck anything on two legs. It’s just an embarassing, but funny, fact of life. I find this comment both insulting and disgusting. Your a pig. Lord help me I can’t believe I just said that. Apparently I some kind of sex-traitor. Anyway, I’ve avoided all situations where such a thing might occur, to the point of avoiding parties where beer is served. In both HS and college, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/38 "2005-01-26T20:08:52Z")
> [@](#): > > **dropzone** said: > Middle school students, yeah, I’ll grant that they might not react positively to being seduced and are unlikely to be emotionally mature enough for sex. Sixteen year olds are a completely different animal and when the legal determining factor of whether it was rape is on which side of a date the sex occurred AND in which state it occurred we should think before we start talking about emotional scars. As long as you feel the same way about a 40something male teacher having sex with a high school female student, I’ll agree to this statement. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/39 "2005-01-26T21:16:32Z")
Of course I do! It’s not like gender has anything to do with the laws. Anyway, speaking as a 50 yr old male–teenagers? Yuuuuuk! Sleeping with one would be bad enough but since it’s only polite to pretend to listen during conversations before and after–IIIIIICK! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-teachers-having-sex-with-teenage-stdents-whats-behind-this/286625/40 "2005-01-26T21:19:44Z")
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