# FemDefence **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 14, 2005, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263 "2005-04-14T11:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![huk24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f0a364/32.png) [@huk24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/huk24)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/1 "2005-04-14T11:06:00Z")
[Link](http://www.femdefence.info/index2.html) I’m thinking perhaps it might also hurt the woman it resides in. Possibly? > [@](#): > > The “product“ is a kind of protection against rape, somewhat similar to a tampon in that it’s user carries it inserted into her vagina. The basic idea is that the woman carries the protective device in her vagina. In it there is a sharp pin which has a penetrating effect on the perpetrator’s penis in the event of a rape. The construction is such that the pin still cannot injure the bearer. The design of the design is based on a similar construction invented by a Swedish woman named Anita Ingmarsdotter. She came to work on her invention after a series of rape cases in Sweden that received a lot of public attention. Typically, in many of these cases, the accused do not receive an adequate punishment, and the abused women are left without appropriate support from the judicial system. All too often they, in the perpetrators place, are burdened with guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/2 "2005-04-14T11:19:37Z")
> [@](#): > > In it there is a sharp pin which has a penetrating effect on the perpetrator’s penis in the event of a rape. :eek: I know. This would be happening to rapists and I do think they deserve it, but still… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/3 "2005-04-14T11:50:17Z")
This seems to me like a good way to ensure that after you are raped, you’ll be brutally murdered. Can you imagine the fury that this would ingender in a rapist? If he is not totally disabled by the injury that this device inflicts, he will surely and swiftly take his revenge on the woman who maimed him. ---
**Author:** ![Martiju](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Martiju](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martiju)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/4 "2005-04-14T11:53:57Z")
Now I don’t know how much these cost, but the value of buying one, and the inconvenience of wearing it each day (and removing it for legitimate sex - don’t forget now PLEASE!) surely doesn’t balance against the chances of being raped? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/5 "2005-04-14T11:55:22Z")
Ew. Can you say, “potential for misuse?” ---
**Author:** ![Maxxxie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@Maxxxie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maxxxie)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/6 "2005-04-14T11:57:11Z")
Before I saw a photo, I imagined that the pin went through the offender’s weenie SIDEWAYS. Which left me wondering how he’d ever pull OUT. :smack: _shudder_ And by the way, there is no WAY that thing would ever come in contact with my bits. Can you imagine forgetting it’s in and spiking your own labia with it?! :eek: Max. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/7 "2005-04-14T12:25:18Z")
… or forgetting that it’s in and starting to get down ‘n’ dirty with the BF: “Is that thing still in there?” “Nope.” “You sure?” “Yep.” “Really sure?” “Yes!” “Really, really, sure?” kinda spoils the moment, which is the point, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/8 "2005-04-14T12:26:34Z")
I love it. Seriously, all my neohippie pacifist leanings go right out the window when a rapist’s penis is involved. Simply having .01% of women wearing one at all times might go a long, long way towards eliminating rape - who would put their dick on the line (I’m sorry, their “weapon of assault” on the line) when there’s a chance it could not only be pierced through the urethra, but sliced into ribbons? Mwaahaaahaaahaahaaa! 🆒 > [@pinkfreud](#): > > This seems to me like a good way to ensure that after you are raped, you’ll be brutally murdered. > > Can you imagine the fury that this would ingender in a rapist? If he is not totally disabled by the injury that this device inflicts, he will surely and swiftly take his revenge on the woman who maimed him. Nope, but I can imagine the massive amounts of blood loss that would happen very, very quickly (there’s a whole lot of blood in an erect penis!) and the resultant weakness and lethargy. There would, unfortunately be a much higher risk of an HIV infection, of course, because lots of that blood would end up inside the woman - a design flaw that needs work. There would also be the inevitable lawsuit by the rapist suing the woman for pain and suffering, but that just gets a huge :rolleyes: from me and a lament about our legal system. > [@Martiju](#): > > ``` > Now I don't know how much these cost, but the value of buying one, and the inconvenience of wearing it each day (and removing it for legitimate sex - don't forget now PLEASE!) surely doesn't balance against the chances of being raped? > > ``` Well she doesn’t expect women to wear one all the time. But how about when riding the El alone at night? Walking to your car through a skeevy neighborhood? I live near Chicago, and there’s lots of times I only feel unsafe for a few minutes at a time. It wouldn’t be that hard to pop it in then. > [@levdrakon](#): > > Ew. Can you say, “potential for misuse?” Like what? Anytime a woman doesn’t want a penis in there, we’re talking about a rape. Are you worried about gynecologists getting a finger pricked? I’m not sure what misuse would be possible. (Note: I am not a penis-hating feminist - I am a rapist hating person.) ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/9 "2005-04-14T12:30:01Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > … or forgetting that it’s in and starting to get down ‘n’ dirty with the BF: > > “Is that thing still in there?” > “Nope.” > “You sure?” > “Yep.” > “Really sure?” > “Yes!” > “Really, really, sure?” > > kinda spoils the moment, which is the point, I guess. Well that sorta screams “insecurity with your partner,” doesn’t it? Seriously, the thing has a pull-string, just like a tampon. You can see it and feel it. Make sure you see no string before you go to work. And what the heck are you doing wanting to go hammering away before some good ol’ foreplay anyway? If you’re so worried, get some fingers up there and check throughouly, dammit! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/10 "2005-04-14T16:53:05Z")
Just reading the description of that thing had me crossing my legs. I think my eyes were watering, as well. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/11 "2005-04-14T17:07:47Z")
> [@](#): > > And what the heck are you doing wanting to go hammering away before some good ol’ foreplay anyway? If you’re so worried, get some fingers up there and check throughouly, dammit! Doesn’t it occur you you that this thing could do a pretty mean number on a finger, too? Or, Og help us, a tongue. Involuntary piercing. You’d better hope that the drawstring never breaks. Or be prepared to use pliers/tongs/forceps to remove. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/12 "2005-04-14T17:20:15Z")
How the heck is that not going to risk harming the woman wearing it? The pin extends beyond the front of the thing. Also you’ll just get an angry rapist, who might even not hurt himself much if he goes in carefully to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Velma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/85e7bf/32.png) [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/13 "2005-04-14T18:16:41Z")
How would it make a rapist angrier than fighting back any other way? Hitting, scratching, biting, etc. I was taught in self-defense class to fight back any way I can. If I have to poke his eye out I will do that too. Wouldn’t it make him double over like a groin hit anyway? Then you could escape. Also useful for cases where you would be drugged or passed out. (I don’t know if I would wear this, I would be worried about hurting myself with it, but possibly angering a rapist would not be a reason not to.) It seems like a nuisance to wear all the time just in case. ---
**Author:** ![Velma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/85e7bf/32.png) [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/14 "2005-04-14T18:21:09Z")
> [@me](#): > > If I have to poke his eye out I will do that too. Pun not intended but I have to admit this is pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/15 "2005-04-14T18:21:53Z")
[TMI] I have trouble putting tampons in, and you expect me to stick one of _those_ inside? :eek: [/TMI] ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/16 "2005-04-14T18:23:41Z")
This reminds me of the novel “Snow Crash”. All that is needed is a drug to put the would be rapist to sleep. I would not be too keen about inflicting pain upon a violent person and then leaving them unrestrained to engage in another form of violence. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/17 "2005-04-14T18:44:16Z")
Booby Trap? No? what then? ---
**Author:** ![Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/58956e/32.png) [@Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoodoo_Ulove)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/18 "2005-04-14T18:45:15Z")
> [@Femdefence website](#): > > The project Femdefence is an attempt to contribute to the debate on men’s sexual violence against women in society, using the esthetics of design, and the semiotics of marketing. Seems to work. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/19 "2005-04-14T19:52:39Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > This reminds me of the novel “Snow Crash”. > > All that is needed is a drug to put the would be rapist to sleep. > > I would not be too keen about inflicting pain upon a violent person and then leaving them unrestrained to engage in another form of violence. Heh – I was mentally chanting, ‘Dentata!’ as I read through this thread too. But the other posters in this thread have good points about possibly making the rapist madder, but by that point, the victim is already in a lot of trouble. Also, rape doesn’t necessarily involve PIV contact, but I’m not sure if that’s also the legal definition. Anyone know? ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263/20 "2005-04-14T19:58:21Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > Heh – I was mentally chanting, ‘Dentata!’ as I read through this thread too. > > But the other posters in this thread have good points about possibly making the rapist madder, but by that point, the victim is already in a lot of trouble. Also, rape doesn’t necessarily involve PIV contact, but I’m not sure if that’s also the legal definition. Anyone know? All this will do is cause rapists to get anal. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/femdefence/299263.md?page=2)