# Feminism and slash fiction **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 7, 2003, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045 "2003-04-07T12:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/61 "2003-04-10T16:22:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Of course they have. I’ve seen descriptions of them… never read one. I learned a while back - any pairing you can think of, no matter how weird, has been done. You’re telling me…I stick exclusively to BtVS fic, and Spike is paired with every. single. male. character who has ever been on Buffy or Angel…there’s a few Spike/Spike stories! ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/62 "2003-04-11T11:09:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dr. Righteous \* > \*\*I learned a while back - any pairing you can think of, no matter how weird, has been done. \*\* I recently heard someone mention an Aragorn/Gollum story they had seen. :eek: I’m not going to go look for it. ---
**Author:** ![jeanster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc348/32.png) [@jeanster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeanster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/63 "2003-04-11T12:37:15Z")
There is one rated ‘G’ that pairs up Bill the Pony with Shadowfax. [http://www.libraryofmoria.com/shadowfaxbill/billandshadowfax.txt](http://www.libraryofmoria.com/shadowfaxbill/billandshadowfax.txt) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/64 "2003-04-11T13:53:08Z")
I should dig up that Gandalf/Balrog fic I saw a while ago. ---
**Author:** ![Kantalooppi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@Kantalooppi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kantalooppi)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/65 "2003-04-11T14:59:24Z")
When it comes to subtle wrongness, nothing defeats [Eric Idle/Michael Palin.](http://www.geocities.com/snowgrouse/massage.txt) …well, except for [Al Gore/Joe Lieberman.](http://www.angelfire.com/az2/taylorjameson/rps/electionnight.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/66 "2003-04-11T17:17:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > \*\*…there’s a few Spike/Spike stories! \*\* Oh, I hate that sort of thing. Worse still are the crossovers that exist solely to allow different characters played by the same actor to have sex with one another. I don’t think I’d want to have sex with someone who looked exactly like me…I’m not that creepy, or that conceited. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/67 "2003-04-11T18:34:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lamia \* > \*\*Which is what makes all that Wedge/Obi Wan slash fic so disturbing! > > Okay, I’ve never actually read any Star Wars fanfic, but I’m sure someone out there has written a Wedge/Obi Wan story. I just know it. \*\* Oh, I have. There is one story on the site I offered-but I don’t remember the name of it. Look in authors section, for Glim. She writes the best slash. (although there is one Face/Corran story that gets me drooling everytime…) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Righteous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Dr.Righteous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Righteous)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/68 "2003-04-11T19:53:20Z")
I mentioned this thread to some friends. They offer up the for real following pairings for your amusement (or cringing?): Ellen Degeneres and Hillary Clinton Simba/Nala NC17 fic. Yes, that’s right, animated lions going at it. Michael Knight and KITT. My friends comment is “A CAR, people! A guy having sex with a car.” Kuwabara/Puu the fuzzy penguin (Yu Yu Hakusho) Relena/Wing Zero (Gundam Wing – yes! It’s sex with Mechs!) Crabbe/Goyle (Harry Potter) Snape/Head Nazgul (scary crossover) Faramir/Lurtz A different friend says “I once read a fascinating Bondage and Domination scenario that only, after you got to the very END, did you find out was between Danger Mouse and Penfold!” ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/69 "2003-04-12T17:37:28Z")
Getting back to the OP, there was a recent article in _Bitch_ magazine on slash and feminism that may be of interest: “[Fan/tastic Voyage](http://www.bitchmagazine.com/archives/04_03slash/slash.html)” ---
**Author:** ![saint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@saint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saint)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2003, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/70 "2003-04-17T03:46:49Z")
What I don’t understand about slash is its exclusiveness. Slash fanfic writers, once they get started, seem to want to do nothing but slash (I’m talking the majority m/m slash writers – I know less about f/f slash), and consider the concept of introducing or reintroducing a female character into the mix to be a sort of ‘pollution’. I am not baffled by slash per se – if a woman finds two hot men more than the sum of their parts (lame pun intended) then that’s great. And it slash gives women a chance to write and voice areas of erotica that have been socially taboo for them up till now, that’s great. But I am baffled by women who effectively write women out of their story universes. I know plenty of female slash writers who think putting a woman character in their stories, particularly in an erotic or romantic situation, is a sort of abomination. Can someone explain this for me? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![stringy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@stringy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stringy)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2003, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045/71 "2003-04-18T05:28:40Z")
**Miss Mapp** , that’s a great article - I haven’t been reading Bitch lately so I hadn’t seen it. Thanks for the link. **saint** , I haven’t encountered any sense of women being an ‘abomination’ in the slash I’ve read, but then, I don’t know any writers personally either. I thought the _Fan-tastic Voyage_ linked to above gave a pretty good idea of why slash writers generally don’t write about women - because there are so few female characters on tv who are fully fleshed out rather than being a pale stereotype. The writer of the article said it better than I do, though. Might be worth a read? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feminism-and-slash-fiction/167045.md?page=3)