# Ferguson 2015 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 11, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504 "2015-08-11T00:26:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/21 "2015-08-12T13:12:55Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I think I’ll wait for evidence before I decide who to blame. Oh, you’re no fun. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/22 "2015-08-12T15:35:44Z")
Has anyone asked the Oath Keepers _why_ they’re there? Shouldn’t they be off preventing Jade Helm or something? > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > What in my OP makes you think I’m attempting to portray this as a bad shoot? That was certainly the implication I got from it, whether you intended it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/23 "2015-08-12T15:37:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Has anyone asked the Oath Keepers _why_ they’re there? Shouldn’t they be off preventing Jade Helm or something? Jade Helm is a bunch of soldiers with guns. These are blowhard pussies who only want to LOOK and FEEL tough. Actual soldiers nearby would have them shitting their pants. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/24 "2015-08-12T15:38:34Z")
AIUI, most of the Oath Keepers are themselves military or ex-military personnel. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/25 "2015-08-12T15:40:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That was certainly the implication I got from it, whether you intended it or not. I thought the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/26 "2015-08-12T17:15:27Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > So, you didn’t do any research. You read one story and ran with it. I’m supposed to be impressed by that? You’re a real chucklehead. You are filled with assumptions. I did research. None of the information you listed above (without a cite, btw) was available when I posted the OP. How was I supposed to know it? :dubious: > [@Frank](#): > > The police were there; the father was not. I understand the actions of a bereaved father saying “it’s all lies”. What I don’t understand is you deciding that he must be right without bothering to look at anything else about the story. Oh, I decided he must be right? Why don’t you quote me on that? Go ahead, post the quote from me where I said that. Oh, you can’t find anything I posted that says that? No, you can’t because your wrong: I never said anything about either the cops or the father being correct. > [@Frank](#): > > Evidence will come out. Medical evidence, ballistic evidence, eyewitness evidence. Video evidence is already out. Yeah, but you didn’t need any of that in order to believe the police or the father, did you? No, you automatically defaulted to the police’s version, even without any corroborating evidence. In short, you are part of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/27 "2015-08-12T17:49:54Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I did research. None of the information you listed above (without a cite, btw) was available when I posted the OP. This is a lie. 16 minutes after your OP, **Morgenstern** linked to a CNN story with the information in it. > [@](#): > > Oh, I decided he must be right? Why don’t you quote me on that? Go ahead, post the quote from me where I said that. Oh, you can’t find anything I posted that says that? No, you can’t because your wrong: I never said anything about either the cops or the father being correct. This isn’t my first time around the block, numbskull. I can tell from the way you so carefully worded your posts what you intended to imply. Your posts were not neutral > [@](#): > > Yeah, but you didn’t need any of that in order to believe the police or the father, did you? No, you automatically defaulted to the police’s version, even without any corroborating evidence. In short, you are part of the problem. No, chuckleheads like you are the problem. At first glance, with the first evidence available to us, this appeared to be a perfectly justified police shooting. People like you who assume that any police shooting of a black person must automatically be unjustified do not help the fight against the ones that really are unjustified. You simply make things worse. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/28 "2015-08-12T17:51:55Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > This week signals the death of Ferguson as any kind of a viable city. > > Any meaningful business is going to flee this area and with it will go any homeowners who who value their property. > > Why would anyone want to live in an area that has a “riot festival” once a year? I imagine it might be a great place to have a well-fortified (i.e., impregnable) gun dealership or liquor store. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/29 "2015-08-12T17:56:36Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > What in my OP makes you think I’m attempting to portray this as a bad shoot? > > That was certainly the implication I got from it, whether you intended it or not. Yup, totally got that too. Sorry, dude, if you meant a neutral OP, you blew it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/30 "2015-08-12T18:37:04Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Yup, totally got that too. Sorry, dude, if you meant a neutral OP, you blew it. No, not really. I can’t be responsible for your bias; sorry. Tell you what, tho, help me out here: why don’t you point out what I wrote that shows my bias and explain where you see it? ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/31 "2015-08-12T18:46:38Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > No, not really. I can’t be responsible for your bias; sorry. > > Tell you what, tho, help me out here: why don’t you point out what I wrote that shows my bias and explain where you see it? Is that for all four or five or so who took the time to post? Just for me? You’ve already engaged one other about the very same thing. I see that went about as well as nailing Jello to a wall for him. Do you expect our exchange to go any better? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/32 "2015-08-12T19:36:17Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That was certainly the implication I got from it, whether you intended it or not. Same here. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/33 "2015-08-12T19:37:40Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > This week signals the death of Ferguson as any kind of a viable city. > > Any meaningful business is going to flee this area and with it will go any homeowners who who value their property. > > Why would anyone want to live in an area that has a “riot festival” once a year? Tell that to Oakland. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/34 "2015-08-12T19:40:03Z")
Eh, just make it an annual party. Costume up the now closed downtown buildings so that burning them down (again) can be part of the fun. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/35 "2015-08-12T19:49:58Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Eh, just make it an annual party. Costume up the now closed downtown buildings so that burning them down (again) can be part of the fun. I can’t wait to see how they set up the carnival arcade shooting gallery… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/36 "2015-08-12T19:52:51Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Tell that to Oakland. Oakland provides relatively cheap housing with convenient commuter access to the wonders of San Francisco. Ferguson provides even cheaper housing with convenient commuter access to … well, St. Louis. They’re doomed. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/37 "2015-08-12T19:59:12Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > No, not really. I can’t be responsible for your bias; sorry. > > Tell you what, tho, help me out here: why don’t you point out what I wrote that shows my bias and explain where you see it? Maybe not the OP, but your use of the smilie in this post makes it appear that you’ve definitely taken a side. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > … > What evidence have you seen, by the way, that gives you reason not to believe the young man’s father? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/38 "2015-08-12T20:05:59Z")
Ah Morgenstern. Your damage is always so predictable. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/39 "2015-08-13T13:22:08Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That was certainly the implication I got from it, whether you intended it or not. Me too but I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Every situation like this I would think that the observer would try to make a decision on who is at fault. I happen to believe the guy shot was at fault. More evidence later could prove me wrong but from the information I have now I have to go with what I know. It seems to me that any cop would be nuts to try and gun down an unarmed man in Ferguson while media and cell cameras were everywhere. In fact I would expect a cop to possibly unnecessarily hesitate discharging his gun because he knows what happened to the life and career of the cop who started this whole mess one year ago. **Snowborder Bo** , just quit mucking about, dodging and weaving. Go ahead and state an opinion. The people on the street are definitely of the opinion that police violence is unwarranted. People on this board also agree with that. Get off he fence. Unless you like what the picket is doing to your “special” spot. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504/40 "2015-08-13T13:49:43Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That was certainly the implication I got from it, whether you intended it or not. I think thats unfair. If you read that into the OP, it’s probably more your fault than his. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-2015/727504.md?page=3)