# Ferguson Grand Jury Decision to be announced at 9pm EST **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 24, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543 "2014-11-24T23:43:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/21 "2014-11-25T02:08:17Z")
I’m watching Maddow and they have a split screen with a courtroom and a group of protestors. One guy has a gas mask having off his ball cap. Might be a long night. Too bad. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/22 "2014-11-25T02:13:40Z")
USA Today is already reporting that Wilson will not be charged. > **[Ferguson burning after grand jury announcement](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguson-grand-jury-deliberations/19474907/)** > > A grand jury declines to charge Officer Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/23 "2014-11-25T02:15:09Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > AKA those people who are upset that unarmed children are murdered by police. Oh, please do share with us the evidence that you have that makes this a murder charge that the rest of us do not have. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/24 "2014-11-25T02:19:53Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > USA Today is already reporting that Wilson will not be charged. > > [Ferguson burning after grand jury announcement](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguson-grand-jury-deliberations/19474907/) How are they doing that in advance? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/25 "2014-11-25T02:20:46Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > How are they doing that in advance? The Brown family was informed privately and they told USA Today. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/26 "2014-11-25T02:22:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > How are they doing that in advance? Local news is saying Brown’s family lawyer had been notified a bit ago, and let some reporters know. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/27 "2014-11-25T02:22:55Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Oh, please do share with us the evidence that you have that makes this a murder charge that the rest of us do not have. Since when has evidence ever mattered when a cop kills a black guy? “Cop kills innocent black guy, goes unpunished” is the norm. You don’t need to know any of the evidence at all to predict that the cop won’t be charged, _regardless_ of whether he did it or not or how much or how little evidence there is. It’s predicting that he _will_ be charged that’s a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/28 "2014-11-25T02:25:43Z")
Listening now… serious amounts of hedging going on. Impossible to imagine an indictment coming out of this. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/29 "2014-11-25T02:26:03Z")
No indictments. It was just announced. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/30 "2014-11-25T02:29:27Z")
Could the prosecutor sound more like a patronizing ass? ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/31 "2014-11-25T02:29:59Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > That generally is the role of the National Guard during civil disturbances. But I don’t think that their full time jobs had anything to do with the timing. The governor declared a state of emergency days ago which allowed him to call up the Guard then. Having been in various call ups myself I’m sure a sufficient number of troops were put on state active duty then. Spent 17 years as a Guardman too. Budgeting can be an issue. My unit was the reserve to respond to a racially charged case that …well if there hadn’t been convictions likely would have made the initial riots in Ferguson look like a PTA meeting. Never got an extra day of state active duty for it. I would not be in the least surprised if there’s not a decision support template driving potential reinforcements behind initial early state active duty troops. Or maybe the Governor just cracked the wallet wide open. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/32 "2014-11-25T02:34:04Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Since when has evidence ever mattered when a cop kills a black guy? “Cop kills innocent black guy, goes unpunished” is the norm. You don’t need to know any of the evidence at all to predict that the cop won’t be charged, _regardless_ of whether he did it or not or how much or how little evidence there is. > > It’s predicting that he _will_ be charged that’s a stretch. Since when have you and your fantasy land of all cops are racist who just like killing black folks for fun been taken seriously. I guess BobLibDems’ evidence that Wilson murdered Brown did not sway the grand jury. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/33 "2014-11-25T02:39:35Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Since when have you and your fantasy land of all cops are racist who just like killing black folks for fun been taken seriously. For all the centuries that they’ve _been_ racists who kill black people. Not that I said that in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/34 "2014-11-25T02:43:40Z")
All-righty then! Thank goodness this is over with and we can all get back to important stuff like Kardashian’s Ass. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/35 "2014-11-25T03:00:44Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > All-righty then! > > Thank goodness this is over with and we can all get back to important stuff like Kardashian’s Ass. What did Kanye do now? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/36 "2014-11-25T03:11:22Z")
This was the most complete grand jury investigation possible. They saw all the evidence, heard experts. Much more than a typical grand jury. Heck, they are even releasing the evidence for the public to review. Grand jury proceedings are normally under seal. What more could be done to satisfy everyone that this decision was made fairly? The cop acted in self defense while performing his sworn duty as a police officer. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/37 "2014-11-25T03:17:36Z")
The prosecutor is generally advocating for the victim and asking for an indictment. Who was the prosecutor representing in this case? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/38 "2014-11-25T03:21:55Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > This was the most complete grand jury investigation possible. They saw all the evidence, heard experts. Much more than a typical grand jury. Heck, they are even releasing the evidence for the public to review. Grand jury proceedings are normally under seal. What more could be done to satisfy everyone that this decision was made fairly? Actually producing an indictment, which is overwhelmingly what grand juries [do](http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/). > [@](#): > > According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them. It’s outright unbelievable that this case wasn’t in doubt enough to be worth a trial, when so many others are. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/39 "2014-11-25T03:24:58Z")
They tried to turn over a police car, and now there’s tear gas. Live Stream: [http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri?utm\_campaign=JPER&utm\_medium=FlashPlayer&utm\_source=embed](http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri?utm_campaign=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed) ETA: MSNBC just announced that it is not tear gas, but smoke bombs. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543/40 "2014-11-25T03:27:09Z")
It’s tear gas, too. The police are being very heavy handed here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-to-be-announced-at-9pm-est/705543.md?page=3)