# Ferguson, MO **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354 "2014-08-12T04:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2001 "2014-08-22T15:50:22Z")
I know this is wayyyyy back in the discussion, but just so everybody knows, the[Joe Biden Defense works](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/firearms-charge-against-man-who-used-joe-biden-defense-dismissed). > [@](#): > > A prosecutor said he plans to dismiss a firearms charge against the Washington state man who said he just “did what Joe Biden told me to do” when he fired a shotgun to scare off what he thought were car burglars, the Associated Press reported Wednesday. > > Clark County Prosecutor Tony Golik said that Jeffrey C. Barton will instead face a charge of obstructing a police officer. A trial for Barton is scheduled for October. > > Barton has acknowledged that he fired the gun in July 2013 to deter three men he thought were breaking into cars in Vancouver, Wash. His unorthodox defense came from the vice president’s comments on firearms during a 2013 town hall, when Biden told a questioner that he’d advised his wife, Jill, to “fire two blasts outside” from a double-barrel shotgun if she sensed any trouble at the family home. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2002 "2014-08-22T16:08:54Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’d try to engage Bricker, and bring him back to sanity, but he’s on record as claiming the Affair of the Semen-Stained Dress was a bigger crime than the lies that led to the Trillion-Dollar War for Halliburton. After that bizarre claim, I’m happy just to sit back and heckle. cite? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2003 "2014-08-22T16:40:49Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC is currently announcing that no incident report was filed by Officer Wilson following his shooting of Brown. To be clear, there is a report, but it apparently has nothing but a bit of header filled in, and is dated August 18th, nowhere near the date of the shooting. > > To borrow a phrase, what the actual fuck? > > Would any of those who are arguing that there’s nothing to see here like to try to justify this (in)action? I would suggest that Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC is full of shit and MSNBC has a history of hiring evening lineup personnel who they later had to fire for saying something stupid. Keith Olbermann, Pat Buchanan, Ed Schultz, Alec Baldwin, Martin Bashir… ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2004 "2014-08-22T16:53:43Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > cite? > [@I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/5273): > > But from a purely objective measure, I should point out that only two Presidents in the history of the United States have been impeached: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. > > Not George Bush. > > So that’s my notional measurement: Bush was never impeached; Clinton was. 15-Love, Bush. (Click link to get context.) Admittedly, the **Brickhead** has minced his words so he can disavow Bush malice if it suits him. Still he did use the phrase “purely objective measure”, and if we pretend that \*any \*of **Bricker** ’s utterances are intended as sincere, why not this one? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2005 "2014-08-22T17:05:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (Click link to get context.) Admittedly, the **Brickhead** has minced his words so he can disavow Bush malice if it suits him. Still he did use the phrase “purely objective measure”, and if we pretend that \*any \*of **Bricker** ’s utterances are intended as sincere, why not this one? Since there is no member going by the nom de plume of **Brickhead** , can I assume that your use of the term **Brickhead** is your way of saying that you have run out of logical or reasonable argument? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2006 "2014-08-22T17:07:17Z")
My favorite aspect of the Pit is how just about any big news topic can evolve into a Demmy Pubby fight, It just NEVER gets OLD! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2007 "2014-08-22T17:07:46Z")
How can **Bricker** ’s point be denied when you look at all the prominent Republicans rushing to renounce, denounce, and condemn these unfortunate remarks on the part of Mr. Willis? I might cite them all if I were not so concerned with overburdening our loyal hamsters with a crushing flood of links and text. No doubt, Republican officials in MO will need to step up their efforts to protect the sacred value of voter confidence, as this is a perfect opportunity for treachery on the part of CASA, ACORN, and the New Black Panther Party! Responsible Republican leaders will have to move swiftly if the all-important voter confidence is to be protected from the nefarious plots of such as these. ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2008 "2014-08-22T17:14:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I would suggest that Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC is full of shit and MSNBC has a history of hiring evening lineup personnel who they later had to fire for saying something stupid. > > Keith Olbermann, Pat Buchanan, Ed Schultz, Alec Baldwin, Martin Bashir… I would suggest that its not Lawrence O’Donnell that’s full of shit. Olbermann and Buchanan weren’t fired for anything they said. Olbermann just didn’t get along with management and Buchanan published a book. Ed Schulz was only pushed out to allow Chris Hayes to take his time slot. But after Hayes didn’t pull Schulz’s rating numbers, they brought him back. He’s still with MSNBC today. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2009 "2014-08-22T17:19:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (Click link to get context.) Admittedly, the **Brickhead** has minced his words so he can disavow Bush malice if it suits him. Still he did use the phrase “purely objective measure”, and if we pretend that \*any \*of **Bricker** ’s utterances are intended as sincere, why not this one? That’s pretty weak sauce. Also, I like your use of the ominous term “on record”, as if it implies something other than “posted on the SDMB”. However, this let’s-evaulate-Bricker hijack has gone on far enough already, so I intend to drop it. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2010 "2014-08-22T17:19:17Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I would suggest that Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC is full of shit and MSNBC has a history of hiring evening lineup personnel who they later had to fire for saying something stupid. > > Keith Olbermann, Pat Buchanan, Ed Schultz, Alec Baldwin, Martin Bashir… I would suggest that you are letting your personal political views color your recognition of actual facts. Regardless of O’Donnell’s political stance, if appears to be factual that no report was made by Ferguson PD. Terr has asserted such was done by another agency, and if so that’s fine, although I’d be interested to know whether this was based on written policy or something done off the cuff by Ferguson’s police chief, or another authority. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2011 "2014-08-22T17:24:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > How can **Bricker** ’s point be denied when you look at all the prominent Republicans rushing to renounce, denounce, and condemn these unfortunate remarks on the part of Mr. Willis? I might cite them all if I were not so concerned with overburdening our loyal hamsters with a crushing flood of links and text. I gotta say, I think this is a basically meaningless claim. Here are reasons that some particular Republican might NOT have denounced the claims of the executive director of the MO Republican party, as far as we know: (1) didn’t hear about them (2) didn’t feel responsible for what the execute director of the Republican party says (3) felt that issuing an entire statement whose sole purpose was to disagree with a single stupid remark gave that remark more dignity than it deserved (4) DID denounced that remark, but it wasn’t widely publicized that the Attorney General of Utah randomly denounced a statement made by the executive director of the MO Republican party, because honestly why would anyone care? (5) Disagrees with the statement but was busy actually doing a real job (6) Disagrees with the statement but was politically too cowardly to say so (7) Agrees with the statement What right do we have to assume that it’s (6) or (7)? Sure, there are rare times when it’s reasonable to denounce people for silence… such as, when there is a holocaust going on. Denouncing people for silence, when that silence is their lack of denouncing one random state-level party functionary saying a stupid thing, is pretty ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2012 "2014-08-22T17:25:09Z")
And this just in from our good friends at Daily Kos: > **[An incident report on the killing of Michael Brown is finally released ......](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/08/22/1323788/-An-incident-report-on-the-killing-of-Michael-Brown-is-finally-released-and-tells-us-nothing)** > > It answers ... nothing. > > Remember that incident report that we've all been waiting for, detailing the police version of what happened the day Michael Brown was gunned down ... The incident report has been released. According to this, it tells us _squadoosh_, except that it apparently took nine days to accomplish that. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2013 "2014-08-22T17:44:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Since there is no member going by the nom de plume of **Brickhead** , can I assume that your use of the term **Brickhead** is your way of saying that you have run out of logical or reasonable argument? Let 'im have it, **Dorkwhinge**! ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2014 "2014-08-22T17:44:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The incident report has been released. According to this, it tells us _squadoosh_, except that it apparently took nine days to accomplish that. I do find it interesting that under “Victim Information” in the report they list Michael Brown, adult. Gosh, are they trying to prejudice the case or something? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2015 "2014-08-22T17:46:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And this just in from our good friends at Daily Kos: > > [An incident report on the killing of Michael Brown is finally released ... and tells us nothing](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/22/1323788/-An-incident-report-on-the-killing-of-Michael-Brown-is-finally-released-and-tells-us-nothing#comments) > > The incident report has been released. According to this, it tells us _squadoosh_, except that it apparently took nine days to accomplish that. So the St. Louis County police, after more than a week of, no doubt, intense investigation, has come to the conclusion that a person named Michael Brown was shot to death in Ferguson on August ninth. That’s some real fine police work there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2016 "2014-08-22T17:47:12Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > … Denouncing people for silence, when that silence is their lack of denouncing one random state-level party functionary saying a stupid thing, is pretty ridiculous. Well, might I be permitted to scold? A bit of polite finger-wagging with a “tut-tut, tsk tsk” thrown in for good measure? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2017 "2014-08-22T17:50:50Z")
[Darren Wilson fundraising campaign has become hub of racism and hate.](http://www.salon.com/2014/08/22/darren_wilson_gofundme_campaign_has_become_hub_of_racism_and_hate/) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2018 "2014-08-22T17:53:26Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Let 'im have it, **Dorkwhinge**! My previous assessment of this type of situation stands. You appear to have run out of logical or reasonable argument. It’s also against the rules to screw around with members names. Buh bye. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2019 "2014-08-22T17:55:44Z")
It is? Uh-oh, I am _sooo_ banned! ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2020 "2014-08-22T17:57:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, might I be permitted to scold? A bit of polite finger-wagging with a “tut-tut, tsk tsk” thrown in for good measure? “permitted”? I’m not your nanny. What I am saying is that there’s plenty (WAY MORE than plenty, in fact) of Republicans to criticize for things that that individual person actually said or did, so there’s no reason to also criticize other Republicans for things they didn’t say or do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354.md?page=100) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354.md?page=102)