# Ferguson, MO **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354 "2014-08-12T04:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2381 "2014-08-28T15:12:22Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The Conservative support for the police officer is a reaction to the angelization of the “gentle Giant”, “too timid even to play football”, “he was just walking to his grandmother” thug. Horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2382 "2014-08-28T15:12:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I am very interested in seeing such support. Great. I’ll start a new thread when I have time and try to assemble the best data. No promises on timing, but soon. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2383 "2014-08-28T15:17:10Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > No rush, they can accuse her of those things after she’s dead. Best not dawdle - it takes time to fake the videotape, bribe or coerce the clerk, fake a facial injury, and move all the bullet holes to the front of her body, especially for a small town police force. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2384 "2014-08-28T15:38:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Best not dawdle - it takes time to fake the videotape, bribe or coerce the clerk, fake a facial injury, and move all the bullet holes to the front of her body, especially for a small town police force. > > Regards, > Shodan Practice makes perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2385 "2014-08-28T15:41:20Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Best not dawdle - it takes time to fake the videotape, bribe or coerce the clerk, fake a facial injury, and move all the bullet holes to the front of her body, especially for a small town police force. > > Regards, > Shodan Won’t “She was acting erratically and I saw a glint of a metal object when she turned around/reached for her waistband” work just as well? Or perhaps while she’s resisting, she [reached for the officer’s gun](http://7online.com/archive/9440401/). (Note: in case that last reference is unclear, the officer in the linked story is repeatedly saying “Stop Resisting! Get off my gun!” while the person behind apprended is totally not resisting or going for his gun.) ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2386 "2014-08-28T17:09:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Except that it’s not. Remember when we were assured two weeks ago that the riots would end forthwith because the Highway Patrol officer taking over was a black guy from Ferguson? And how the riots on the nights of the 15th and 16th were worse than they’d been before? Does this have anything to do with the bogus comparison I was rebutting, or are you just changing the subject to avoid admitting error? ---
**Author:** ![rn4j0r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e7dd6/32.png) [@rn4j0r](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rn4j0r)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2387 "2014-08-28T17:10:46Z")
Its a damn shame what is going on right now in Ferguson. The police have TOO MUCH power and think they are the military. The US is quickly becoming a police state. wtf. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2388 "2014-08-28T17:11:15Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It’s very much the same logic. It carries the insinuation that white politicians are incapable of acting in the bet interests of black citizens, and that blacks can only receive a fair shake from " their own kind". It’s the same kind of logic coming from white nationalists these days about Obama being an illegitimaye president because of his race, and it’s patently false. I strongly disagree, but as it’s a tangent on a tangent, I don’t have the energy to actually discuss it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2389 "2014-08-28T18:24:34Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Or perhaps while she’s resisting, she [reached for the officer’s gun](http://7online.com/archive/9440401/). (Note: in case that last reference is unclear, the officer in the linked story is repeatedly saying “Stop Resisting! Get off my gun!” while the person behind apprended is totally not resisting or going for his gun.) That’s why you need both the faked video, _and_ punch yourself in the face. Take some pride in your work, for heaven’s sake. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2390 "2014-08-28T18:30:20Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Practice makes perfect. They’re awfully quick studies - [twice in fourteen years](http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-murray-shooting-20140825-story.html#page=1)and they’re expert. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2391 "2014-08-28T18:58:57Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > They’re awfully quick studies - [twice in fourteen years](http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-murray-shooting-20140825-story.html#page=1)and they’re expert. > > Regards, > Shodan Article discusses two shootings of unarmed black men. Reader concludes only 2 shootings of unarmed black men. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2392 "2014-08-28T19:01:15Z")
Boy, that cite totally clobbers any suggestion that local law enforcement was too quick to violent actions! Especially this part: > [@](#): > > …A separate federal investigation concluded that Murray’s car was reversing in an attempt to escape the officers and that the officers fired “out of fear and panic.”… We liberal/lefty types are gluttons for punishment, as you may already know. So, you got any more like this? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2393 "2014-08-28T19:05:26Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Article discusses two shootings of unarmed black men. Reader concludes only 2 shootings of unarmed black men. Oh come on - it is obvious even from the most superficial reading of the article that it was cold-blooded murder by the police, motivated entirely by racism. Anyone can see that. Here only fourteen years later - exactly the same thing. Wake up, sheeple! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2394 "2014-08-28T21:12:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Oh come on - it is obvious even from the most superficial reading of the article that it was cold-blooded murder by the police, motivated entirely by racism. Anyone can see that. > > Here only fourteen years later - exactly the same thing. Wake up, sheeple! > > Regards, > Shodan > [@](#): > > In the Murray/Beasley case, the grand jury — whose proceedings were not public — heard about 40 hours of testimony, including from the shooters: a U.S. drug agent and a police detective who fired 21 shots at Murray and Beasley. Beasley, a friend of Murray’s, was not wanted for a crime but was a passenger in Murray’s car that afternoon. > > The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which reviewed the grand jury transcripts, reported that of 13 law enforcement officers involved in the planned drug bust, three said Murray’s car was moving toward the officers when they opened fire. Those three included the shooters. > > Four law enforcement officers said the car was not moving forward, the Post-Dispatch reported, quoting the grand jury transcripts. > > A separate federal investigation concluded that Murray’s car was reversing in an attempt to escape the officers and that the officers fired “out of fear and panic.” The U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri at the time, Raymond Gruender, called the shootings “troubling” but said there was not enough evidence to pursue federal charges of civil rights violations. Oh, the kicker: > [@](#): > > McCulloch rejected calls to reopen the investigation, saying that what was most important was that the officers believed their lives were in danger. Heck of a job, Brownie. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2395 "2014-08-28T21:21:12Z")
And this just in… That “alleged” recording of the gunshots is authenticated. By way of our good friends and\* Crooks and Liars… \* > **[BREAKING: Michael Brown Audio Aired By CNN Authenticated](https://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-audio-aired-cnn)** > > Video texting service Glide has verified the exact time the audio recording with gunshots on it was made. > [@](#): > > Video texting service Glide has verified the exact time the audio recording with gunshots on it was made… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2396 "2014-08-28T22:07:32Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And this just in… > > That “alleged” recording of the gunshots is authenticated. By way of our good friends and\* Crooks and Liars… > \* > [BREAKING: Michael Brown Audio Aired By CNN Authenticated | Crooks and Liars](http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-audio-aired-cnn) I’m unable to view video at work; what is the implication of this recording? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2397 "2014-08-28T22:26:45Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’m unable to view video at work; what is the implication of this recording? From recollection, on the recording there is a pause after the first couple of shots, followed by a barrage of shots. This would not be consistent with the officer firing six shots to disable Brown. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2398 "2014-08-28T22:56:10Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > From recollection, on the recording there is a pause after the first couple of shots, followed by a barrage of shots. Missed the edit window: CNN quotes a forensic audio expert saying he hears [six shots, followed by four shots](http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/justice/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-audio/index.html?hpt=hp_c2). ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2399 "2014-08-29T00:42:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And this just in… > > That “alleged” recording of the gunshots is authenticated. By way of our good friends and\* Crooks and Liars… > \* > [BREAKING: Michael Brown Audio Aired By CNN Authenticated | Crooks and Liars](http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-audio-aired-cnn) Did Glide authenticate anything other than the time the video was being made? \*In an e-mail to the Erik Wemple Blog, Glide head of communications Chaim Haas reports: Because Glide is the only messaging application using streaming video technology, each message is simultaneously recorded and transmitted, so the exact time can be verified to the second. In this case, the video in question was created at 12:02:14 PM CDT on Saturday, August 9th\*. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/28/video-messaging-service-verifies-timing-of-cnn-audio-recording/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/28/video-messaging-service-verifies-timing-of-cnn-audio-recording/) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/2400 "2014-08-29T00:52:14Z")
Why, no, actually. All it confirms is that there was a series of gunshots in rapid succession at a particular time. In America, that could be _anywhere_ at 12:02:14 PM CDT. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354.md?page=119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354.md?page=121)