# Ferguson, MO **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354 "2014-08-12T04:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1081 "2014-08-18T00:23:14Z")
> [@JEngelman](#): > > The gap still yawns. > This is what The New York Times has to say about No Child Left Behind. > By SAM DILLON > Published: November 20, 2006 > Despite concerted efforts by educators, the test-score gaps are so large that, on average, African-American and Hispanic students in high school can read and do arithmetic at only the average level of whites in junior high school… > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, it still exists. So what? By some measures it has shrunk. Hopefully it will continue to shrink the future. > We’re in the absolute dawn of actual equal opportunity, if we’ve even reached equal opportunity – it shouldn’t be surprising in the least that a gap exists. If, in the public schools, gaps in testing results are seen, is that _unconnected_ to efforts by the right to “starve the beast” by cutting funds to public education, and/or otherwise undermining it, any chance they get? ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1082 "2014-08-18T01:19:49Z")
Stormfront troll is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1083 "2014-08-18T02:29:16Z")
According to his profile, he’s a moderate Democrat. Maybe he’s been here before under a different name. Maybe he came back this time, seeking a new deal. Just a thought. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1084 "2014-08-18T02:36:28Z")
Banned Name! ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1085 "2014-08-18T03:09:10Z")
The last three days have made me heartsick. It seemed there was just such a good chance to resolve this horrible situation peacefully, and it’s lost. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1086 "2014-08-18T04:09:40Z")
Well, one of the autopsies is released: [Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times - The New York Times](http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&referrer=) All the shots are in the front. Not one shot was in the back. I guess all those “eyewitnesses”, including Brown’s buddy, were fibbing… ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1087 "2014-08-18T04:13:32Z")
This all seems to be going well… ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1088 "2014-08-18T04:25:54Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Well, one of the autopsies is released: [http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&\_r=1&referrer=](http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&referrer=) > > All the shots are in the front. Not one shot was in the back. I guess all those “eyewitnesses”, including Brown’s buddy, were fibbing… This autopsy is a private one arranged on behalf of the Brown family. The doctor, a well regarded forensic pathologist, is quoted saying something that I think his report answers. > [@quote by Dr. Baden](#): > > People have been asking: How many times was he shot? This information could have been released on Day 1,” Dr. Baden said in an interview after performing the autopsy. But his report notes that various bullets made multiple entries, presumably leaving more wounds than the number of bullets that struck him. From Day 1 information should have been available as to how many bullets were fired. But the it seems it really did require an autopsy to determine how many actually struck Brown. A subtle difference between the questions _How many times was he shot at?_ and _How many times was he shot?_. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1089 "2014-08-18T04:27:25Z")
That corroborates the witness transcript I linked on the prior page. The witness on the video said that Brown was charging at the officer and wouldn’t stop. Even after being hit. Interesting that\*\* four shots were in the arm\*\*. That would indicate the cop was either a bad shot or reluctant to kill this guy. I’m assuming the head shots came last because it’s unlikely he could have continued running at the officer after getting shot in the head. Baden also stated there were no power burns. All those witness statements about finishing Brown off as he lay on the ground? Total bullshit. All the shots were from a considerable distance. > [@Terr](#): > > Well, one of the autopsies is released: [http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&\_r=1&referrer=](http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&referrer=) > > All the shots are in the front. Not one shot was in the back. I guess all those “eyewitnesses”, including Brown’s buddy, were fibbing… ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1090 "2014-08-18T04:37:01Z")
… and in other news, more looting, tear gas and now live fire in Ferguson How is that “kumbaya” thing going, Capt. Johnson? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1091 "2014-08-18T04:46:52Z")
Must feel real good having your boss stab you in the back. These guys are on the front lines facing Molotov cocktails and their precious governor sells them out. If he’s not happy with their performance then let them know privately. Chew them out. Write letters of reprimand for their file. But, no boss should ream out an employee in public. > **[Ferguson police were ‘aggressive,’ a critical Missouri governor says | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/17/politics/missouri-governor-nixon-ferguson/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)** > > Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon criticized the “over-militarization” of police response to protests over the killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown. > [@](#): > > Nixon appeared on most of the political talk shows on Sunday, calling the tactics of the St. Louis County Police “aggressive” and expressed relief that the Justice Department is conducting its own investigation into the young man’s death on August 9. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1092 "2014-08-18T04:47:57Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > …But his report notes that various bullets made multiple entries, presumably leaving more wounds than the number of bullets that struck him… What do you mean “multiple entries”? What are we talking about, boomerang bullets? ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1093 "2014-08-18T04:52:46Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What do you mean “multiple entries”? What are we talking about, boomerang bullets? A single bullet entered his eye, exited near his jaw, and then entered again near his clavicle. One bullet but three wounds. > [@NYT cited article](#): > > Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds. So it seems that by counting wounds on Brown’s body on day one, it would not be readily apparent how many bullets hit him. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1094 "2014-08-18T04:59:52Z")
OK, sorta kinda explained by the report. But you know how these people are, they’ll completely ignore the fact that Brown wasn’t shot in the back but will stiil think getting shot more than six times is some kind of big hairy ass deal, or something… ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1095 "2014-08-18T05:06:29Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > A single bullet entered his eye, exited near his jaw, and then entered again near his clavicle. One bullet but three wounds. A “Lee Harvey”. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1096 "2014-08-18T05:10:40Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Was not a comedy bit, was a sincere surprise. If someone built a memorial to me out of bottles of liquor, I know I’d be (if I was watching, “from above”) and definitely my family members would be insulted. I just thought it was bizarre. That’s mighty white of you. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1097 "2014-08-18T05:11:14Z")
The physical evidence showing he was not shot in the back might tend to discredit the statement of any witness who previously made such a claim, [such as Dorian Johnson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown#Dorian_Johnson.27s_account). If he was wrong on that point a jury might doubt other things he might be called to testify about such as how the confrontation with the police officer began and played out. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1098 "2014-08-18T05:12:18Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > That’s mighty white of you. You think it is a “black” thing to build memorials out of liquor bottles? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1099 "2014-08-18T05:13:15Z")
A bit puzzled by the lack of any drug testing information. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354/1100 "2014-08-18T05:15:31Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > The physical evidence showing he was not shot in the back might tend to discredit the statement of any witness who previously made such a claim, [such as Dorian Johnson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown#Dorian_Johnson.27s_account). Or [Tiffany Mitchell](http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/st-louis-official-reporters-arrested-ferguson-michael-brown) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferguson-mo/695354.md?page=56)