# Ferrari SUV??? -- HELP!!!

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [May 26, 2003, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606 "2003-05-26T18:43:37Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 8\
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**Author:** ![matt101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/db5fbb/32.png) [@matt101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt101)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606/21 "2003-05-28T16:57:24Z")

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It was not the Izuzu, but good try.  
Thanks Jet, I have seen the wagon and know its story. It’s just that it very well may have been an SUV with changed logos, but it was that other message board that got me on this hunt. It’s the fact that I am not alone in seeing this vehicle. Hopefully I’ll see it again sometime soon and I’ll grab a picture or a chat with the owner. I’m gonna keep hunting, none the less…

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**Author:** ![shelbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@shelbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shelbo)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606/22 "2003-05-28T17:03:02Z")

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That Ferrari wagon is my new dream car. I just need to wait for the Brunei royal family to get ready to sell.

In the meantime, check out the latest in high end SUVdom:

[The M2 Bradley APC](http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20030525)

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606/23 "2003-05-28T17:45:40Z")

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> \*Originally posted by matt101 \*  
> \*\*It was not the Izuzu, but good try.  
> Thanks Jet, I have seen the wagon and know its story. It’s just that it very well may have been an SUV with changed logos, but it was that other message board that got me on this hunt. It’s the fact that I am not alone in seeing this vehicle. Hopefully I’ll see it again sometime soon and I’ll grab a picture or a chat with the owner. I’m gonna keep hunting, none the less… \*\*

How about the [DeTomaso Simbir](http://www.panteracars.com/simbir1.html)?

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**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606/24 "2003-05-28T18:34:55Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Jet Jaguar \*  
> \*\*One thing I’d like to add is that if Ferrari made a SUV, I’d know about it. Probably the closest thing to a SUV they’ve produced is a 4-seat sedan that looked sort of like a Saturn wagon about 5-6 years ago, but that was a special custom order from the Sultan of Brunei. They only made 4 or 5 of them and the Sultan owns all but one of them, and that one is owned by a collector in England. Therefore, it’s highly unlikely you happened to see this car (plus, it looks more like a station wagon than a SUV anyway). \*\*

ARRRRRRGH. After going through every frickin’ model Ferrari ever made, to disprove this statement, and adding URL’s and stuff for about ten models, the hamster ATE MY POST. (I saw a 4-seat Ferrari in Monaco in 1989 and knew what you wrote was not true.)

I’m not going to do all that job again, so I’ll just post one link.

The latest 4-seat model came in 1989, [Mondial T](http://www.ferrari.it/cgi-bin/fworld.dll/ferrariworld/scripts/gt/car_data.jsp?showTecnica=&car_type=GT&CAR_ID=MONDIAL_T+-+T_CABRIOLET) is maybe a 2+2, but still. there are a lot of other four seat cars made through the years, in fact more models, than number of cars you claim.

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**Author:** ![Jet\_Jaguar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jet_jaguar/32/3562_2.png) [@Jet\_Jaguar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jet_Jaguar)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606/25 "2003-05-28T20:40:19Z")

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> \*Originally posted by The Gaspode \*  
> \*\*ARRRRRRGH. After going through every frickin’ model Ferrari ever made, to disprove this statement, and adding URL’s and stuff for about ten models, the hamster ATE MY POST. (I saw a 4-seat Ferrari in Monaco in 1989 and knew what you wrote was not true.)
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> I’m not going to do all that job again, so I’ll just post one link.
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> The latest 4-seat model came in 1989, [Mondial T](http://www.ferrari.it/cgi-bin/fworld.dll/ferrariworld/scripts/gt/car_data.jsp?showTecnica=&car_type=GT&CAR_ID=MONDIAL_T+-+T_CABRIOLET) is maybe a 2+2, but still. there are a lot of other four seat cars made through the years, in fact more models, than number of cars you claim. \*\*

I know about other 4-seaters going back to the 1960’s, but the OP was specifically asking for SUV’s. The wagon I cited is probably the most likely model to be mistaken for a SUV, though it looks more like a station wagon. AFAIK, Ferrari has never produced an SUV or anything equivalent.

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**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606/26 "2003-05-28T22:01:17Z")

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Hmmm. What about the [FIAT Stilo](http://www.concorso.com/IMAGES/CI02_27fiatstilo.jpg)?

[Another look](http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2001/n19/stilo/800/stilo_01.jpg).

[Here are some better looks](http://www.laforza.com/) at the Laforza models.

[Another look](http://www.laforza.com/concorso.html).

And, let’s not forget that if someone, somewhere, is willing to build [Speed Racer’s Mach 5](http://www.tokenasians.com/archives/news/realmach5.jpg), some very misguided individual may be having a little bit of fun by creating his or her own dream/nightmare SUV.

While I was looking for that, I also ran across these fine, random images:

[Dude](http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ROldr91408/side.jpg)? Is that a Messerschmitt 308 GTB or something?

[Countach-cart](http://www.globalnetwork.net/balashi/photos/gocart07.gif).

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**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606/27 "2003-05-28T22:47:10Z")

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**Jet Jaguar** - My apologies. Sloppy reading on my part. I read it as if you said that Ferrari only made one car with four seats, ever.

I like the four seaters, though.

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**Author:** ![Popsicle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/51bf81/32.png) [@Popsicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Popsicle)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ferrari-suv-help/177606/28 "2003-05-28T23:58:46Z")

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> \*Originally posted by matt101 \*  
> \*\*It was not a LaForza it was more Mercedes SUV looking, but not a Mercedes or a Lexus. \*\*

Could it be a [Ssangyong Musso](http://www.ecars.com.au/Ssangyong/Musso.html)? It was a somewhat Benz-like 4WD prone to identity changes. Mercedes-Benz provided some input in its planning and the cars were equipped with their engines. Mercedes-Benz originally sold Mussos as Ssangyongs in some of their overseas dealerships before the car was updated and became the [Daewoo Musso](http://www.m1911.org/musso.htm).

I’ve seen Mussos rebadged as Benzes on several occasions but nothing would stop an owner going further by using different labels. After all, how many road users have heard of Ssangyong anyway?

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