# Festival of the Dope Persuasion (Bay Area) Nov. 3rd **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 10, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253 "2007-10-10T19:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/1 "2007-10-10T19:17:34Z")
Alright team, planning stages. Dates: October 20 October 27 November 3 November 10 Places: Lefty O’Douls (big lots of seating and kinda fun)- union square Phoenix - Mission Mr. Smiths- SOMA I’d be interested in somewhere that has margaritas maybe. discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/2 "2007-10-10T21:07:20Z")
I’m up for it. November works better for me. ---
**Author:** ![Dunawake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dunawake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunawake)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/3 "2007-10-10T21:12:53Z")
Here’s links to all the places lobster mentioned: [Lefty O’Doul’s](http://www.leftyodouls.biz/index.html) [Phoenix Irish Bar](http://www.phoenixirishbar.com/) [Mr. Smith’s](http://www.maximumproductions.com) Looking 'em over, I’m favoring Lefty O’Doul’s or Mr. Smith’s, just because of easy access to the CalTrain station for us peninsula folk. 😃 Lefty’s looks like the better option for a social event in terms of atmosphere and seating, but I haven’t been to any of these so I can’t speak from experience. Any of those dates works well for me. EDIT: For people driving, do you have any idea about parking situations for those places, **lobstermobster**? ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/4 "2007-10-10T21:16:41Z")
[QUOTE=Dunawake] Here’s links to all the places lobster mentioned: [Lefty O’Doul’s](http://www.leftyodouls.biz/index.html) [Phoenix Irish Bar](http://www.phoenixirishbar.com/) [Mr. Smith’s](http://www.maximumproductions.com) Looking 'em over, I’m favoring Lefty O’Doul’s or Mr. Smith’s, just because of easy access to the CalTrain station for us peninsula folk. 😃 Lefty’s looks like the better option for a social event in terms of atmosphere and seating, but I haven’t been to any of these so I can’t speak from experience. Any of those dates works well for me. EDIT: For people driving, do you have any idea about parking situations for those places, **lobstermobster**? [/QUOTE] Oh shit I havent driven a car in many many moons. I have absolutely no idea. sorry guys. Lefty O’Douls isn’t the hippest place in the world but its got a lot of room and you can treat it like a bar or like a restaurant. Mr. Smiths is much hipper but no food there. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/5 "2007-10-10T22:02:30Z")
I vote against the 27th because I’m going to a concert, and against Mr. Smith’s because I like food and I’m much too hip. And by “hip” I mean “nerd”. As for parking, well it’s San Francisco. Union Square has several garages but they’re kind of expensive. Same goes for the Civic Center area where Mr. Smith’s is. I don’t know about the area where Phoenix is, but parking in the Mission tends to be sparser. All these places are closeish to Bart though. ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/6 "2007-10-10T22:09:53Z")
[QUOTE=sturmhauke] I vote against the 27th because I’m going to a concert, and against Mr. Smith’s because I like food and I’m much too hip. And by “hip” I mean “nerd”. As for parking, well it’s San Francisco. Union Square has several garages but they’re kind of expensive. Same goes for the Civic Center area where Mr. Smith’s is. I don’t know about the area where Phoenix is, but parking in the Mission tends to be sparser. All these places are closeish to Bart though. [/QUOTE] I’ve only lived here a year so I strongly urge you guys to suggest some venues as well ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/7 "2007-10-10T22:38:24Z")
I’d like to point out that San Jose has lots of free parking on nights and weekends. ---
**Author:** ![Dunawake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dunawake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunawake)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/8 "2007-10-10T22:55:10Z")
All the venues I have experience with are in the Palo Alto/Menlo Park/Mountain View area. Parking is free everywhere here, and some are pretty close to the CalTrain stations. If people would be willing to travel down here, I’ll come up with some possibilities. I guess it just depends on how many people who are interested are in SF proper, rather than the rest of the Bay Area. It would be kind of stupid to have 90% of the attendees travel an hour away, if that ends up being the case. ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/9 "2007-10-10T22:56:20Z")
You guys are welcome to do whatever you want but I do not leave San Francisco as a rule. If its more convenient for everyone else I’ll sit this one out. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/10 "2007-10-10T23:06:07Z")
[QUOTE=lobstermobster] You guys are welcome to do whatever you want but I do not leave San Francisco as a rule… [/QUOTE] I may regret this but… Why is that, dear? ---
**Author:** ![qubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f07891/32.png) [@qubed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qubed)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/11 "2007-10-10T23:41:05Z")
I’d be much, much, much more likely to attend somewhere in the city than not in the city. of course, that’s cause i live there. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Blue-Sighted\_Shadow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@The\_Blue-Sighted\_Shadow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Blue-Sighted_Shadow)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/12 "2007-10-11T03:51:21Z")
I’d rather have something on the Peninsula than in San Francisco, although San Jose proper is fine with me, too. ---
**Author:** ![Nametag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nametag/32/406_2.png) [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/13 "2007-10-11T04:30:33Z")
It hasn’t been that long since the last BayDope, but I am SO ready for the next one. I’m in SF, but if we end up somewhere on the peninsula, I’ll be happy to give someone (or somethree, or somefour, if they’re skinny) a ride (I drive a Civic). Bear in mind, though, the traffic WILL be a bitch (That’s less of a problem if I carry only one passenger, on my motorcycle). ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/14 "2007-10-11T04:41:30Z")
If I’m not on call on the given day, I will be there. I might need to use public transit or hit somebody up for a ride…my car might blow up between now and then (to be discussed in a future Pit thread). ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/15 "2007-10-11T17:54:28Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] I may regret this but… Why is that, dear? [/QUOTE] I don’t make the rules I just follow them. I think I just have the San Francisco equivalent of fearing anything that seems too “bridge and tunnel” I guess here its just “bridge and bridge” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/16 "2007-10-11T18:06:06Z")
I’m down for any of those dates except the 27th. And I vote for meeting in the city, but that’s not a deal-breaker for me. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/17 "2007-10-11T21:22:28Z")
I vote for the City, but _not_ [Mr. Smith’s on a Saturday](http://www.flickr.com/photos/troymccluresf/105304074/in/set-72057594071402556/). > [@lobstermobster](#): > > I think I just have the San Francisco equivalent of fearing anything that seems too “bridge and tunnel” I guess here its just “bridge and bridge” BART is a tunnel. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/18 "2007-10-11T21:32:36Z")
okay this is a lot of blah blah blah. Post your favorite date (doesn’t have to be one I mentioned) and favorite location and bold them. We need to cut the foreplay here ---
**Author:** ![Antonius\_Block](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Antonius\_Block](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antonius_Block)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/19 "2007-10-11T21:40:14Z")
[QUOTE=lobstermobster] I don’t make the rules I just follow them. I think I just have the San Francisco equivalent of fearing anything that seems too “bridge and tunnel” I guess here its just “bridge and bridge” [/QUOTE] Not only is there the BART [Transbay Tube](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transbay_Tube) (as **Troy McClure SF** noted), but anyone coming from the East Bay into SF via the Bay Bridge goes through the [Yerba Buena Tunnel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_Buena_Island), and **most** people coming from Marin over the Golden Gate Bridge will have passed through the [Waldo Tunnel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldo_Tunnel) on 101. There are a few other road tunnels in the Bay Area, but the above are certainly enough to justify your usage of “bridge and tunnel”. _[When I lived in SF, I’d sometimes go weeks on end without leaving the City, so I quite understand your reluctance…]_ ---
**Author:** ![Demo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demo/32/8472_2.png) [@Demo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/20 "2007-10-11T21:48:03Z")
I’m down with something in SF on the 3rd. I’m on call the other weekends(except the 27th, but that looks bad for many people). So, I say make it on the third, in SF! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253.md?page=2)