# Festival of the Dope Persuasion (Bay Area) Nov. 3rd **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 10, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253 "2007-10-10T19:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![psycat90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@psycat90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psycat90)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/21 "2007-10-11T21:51:48Z")
Well, we’re a maybe but I’ll toss in my suggestions anyway. **November 3rd - Saturday** \*\* Jack’s Cannery Bar \*\*(near Fisherman’s Wharf )- [website](http://www.jacksbarsf.com/)[yelp](http://www.yelp.com/biz/ImPPcbVqEFhNw42S2BZ_EA) The place is large and has been pretty much empty every time I’ve been there. It’s near public transit (Muni/Street car/Cable car, though not BART) and the parking is pretty easy in that area. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/22 "2007-10-11T21:55:18Z")
I second **psycat** recommendation for Jack’s. It’s awesome for a group like ours. ---
**Author:** ![psycat90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@psycat90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psycat90)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/23 "2007-10-11T21:59:48Z")
Oh, and since it’s been basically empty every time I’ve been there, it’s been quiet. Much, MUCH more quiet than The Chieftan. 85 beers on tap, though honestly, only a handful are even worth trying or drinking. I’m not sure about the mixed drinks. I think I had a Long Island Iced Tea there once and was less than thrilled with it. Not sure about their margaritas. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/24 "2007-10-11T22:04:30Z")
11/3 at Jack’s sounds good to me. Something quieter than last time (The Chieftan) would be great, I couldn’t hear anyone who wasn’t right next to me. I’m coming from the East Bay (El Cerrito) and will be happy to be a designated driver if anyone wants to carpool. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/25 "2007-10-11T22:17:27Z")
[QUOTE=psycat90] …Much, MUCH more quiet than The Chieftan… [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Valgard] Something quieter than last time (The Chieftan) would be great, I couldn’t hear anyone who wasn’t right next to me. [/QUOTE] WHAT!? ---
**Author:** ![Dunawake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dunawake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunawake)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/26 "2007-10-11T22:29:54Z")
I’m cool with Jack’s on the 3rd as well, but I’m still open for other options if that is a dealbreaker for some people. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/27 "2007-10-11T22:33:21Z")
I like this **jacks** on the **3rd** Why are you people not bolding your dates? Am I talking to myself? ---
**Author:** ![qubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f07891/32.png) [@qubed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qubed)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/28 "2007-10-11T22:37:50Z")
11/3 at Jack’s sounds good to me. I’m eager to try the Deschutes Obsidian (on Nitro too!). I’ve been looking everywhere for that beer. Ok, i haven’t been looking that hard, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Nametag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nametag/32/406_2.png) [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/29 "2007-10-11T22:40:34Z")
[QUOTE=Antonius Block] Not only is there the BART [Transbay Tube](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transbay_Tube) (as **Troy McClure SF** noted), but anyone coming from the East Bay into SF via the Bay Bridge goes through the [Yerba Buena Tunnel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_Buena_Island), and **most** people coming from Marin over the Golden Gate Bridge will have passed through the [Waldo Tunnel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldo_Tunnel) on 101. There are a few other road tunnels in the Bay Area, but the above are certainly enough to justify your usage of “bridge and tunnel”. _[When I lived in SF, I’d sometimes go weeks on end without leaving the City, so I quite understand your reluctance…]_ [/QUOTE] Actually, the classic “bridge and tunnel” of the SF Bay Area is the Bay Bridge and the Caldecott Tunnel; folk from Concord, Pleasant Hill, and Walnut Creek come to the City when they think they’re too cool for Spin Ultra. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/30 "2007-10-11T22:48:37Z")
[Here](http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=37.808288,-122.41949&spn=0.001146,0.002194&z=19&om=1&layer=c&cbll=37.807731,-122.419634&cbp=1,193.2628317279205,0.5,1,1.9997467988038802)’s the Google Street View link to Jack’s. I don’t wanna hear anyone else asking for directions this time, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Dunawake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dunawake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunawake)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/31 "2007-10-11T23:03:49Z")
[QUOTE=Nametag] Actually, the classic “bridge and tunnel” of the SF Bay Area is the Bay Bridge and the Caldecott Tunnel; folk from Concord, Pleasant Hill, and Walnut Creek come to the City when they think they’re too cool for Spin Ultra. [/QUOTE] Maybe I’m just not “urban” enough, but what does “bridge and tunnel” refer to and what is it supposed to mean? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/32 "2007-10-11T23:12:11Z")
And [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=439466) I was led to believe that DopeFests _aren’t_ all about bars / drinking… Every one of the listed options for meeting is a bar! ---
**Author:** ![Dunawake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dunawake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunawake)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/33 "2007-10-11T23:14:19Z")
[QUOTE=Darwin’s Finch] And [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=439466) I was led to believe that DopeFests _aren’t_ all about bars / drinking… Every one of the listed options for meeting is a bar! [/QUOTE] It’s usually just because those are convenient places with a lot of seating and no need to make reservations for a group of uncertain size. I’m not much of a drinker, but I’ve found that some of the best places in terms of food and atmosphere are the bar & grill places, at least in the Bay Area. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/34 "2007-10-11T23:14:28Z")
People who live in Manhattan always bitch about the knuckle-dragging trogdolytes who inundate Manhattan every weekend from the other boroughs or New Jersey via the bridges and tunnels, so us San Franciscans decided to do the same for our own trogdolytes\*. 😉 Damn, **psycat** , you’re a bridge-and-tunneler twice over! \*-Lack of bridge/tunnel notwithstanding, San Mateans are not exempt. ---
**Author:** ![psycat90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@psycat90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psycat90)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/35 "2007-10-11T23:16:38Z")
[Bridge and Tunnel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_and_tunnel) You know, I lived in Central Jersey most of my life and spent my weekends at the clubs and bars in Manhattan. Now I live in the North Bay and spend many weekends in SF. I’m bridge and tunnel and have been all my life I suppose. Whatever. I’m not exactly sure what lobstermobster is saying she’s afraid of however. ---
**Author:** ![Dunawake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dunawake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunawake)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/36 "2007-10-11T23:17:50Z")
[QUOTE=Troy McClure SF] People who live in Manhattan always bitch about the knuckle-dragging trogdolytes who inundate Manhattan every weekend from the other boroughs or New Jersey via the bridges and tunnels, so us San Franciscans decided to do the same for our own trogdolytes\*. 😉 Damn, **psycat** , you’re a bridge-and-tunneler twice over! \*-San Mateans not exempt. [/QUOTE] Phew, I guess I’m in the clear then, since I just drive up the peninsula, no bridges involved. 😛 But that doesn’t make sense, since **lobster** would be going in the opposite direction as the troglodytes, unless you’re claiming that Palo Alto is a more hip and happening place than San Francisco…in which case, thanks! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/37 "2007-10-11T23:18:18Z")
[QUOTE=lobstermobster] okay this is a lot of blah blah blah. Post your favorite date (doesn’t have to be one I mentioned) and favorite location and bold them. We need to cut the foreplay here [/QUOTE] Geesh, you sound like my SO there. ---
**Author:** ![psycat90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@psycat90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psycat90)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/38 "2007-10-11T23:19:23Z")
[QUOTE=Troy McClure SF] People who live in Manhattan always bitch about the knuckle-dragging trogdolytes who inundate Manhattan every weekend from the other boroughs or New Jersey via the bridges and tunnels, so us San Franciscans decided to do the same for our own trogdolytes\*. 😉 Damn, **psycat** , you’re a bridge-and-tunneler twice over! \*-Lack of bridge/tunnel notwithstanding, San Mateans are not exempt. [/QUOTE] Yup. And if you call me a trogdolyte again, I will smack you with a fish. ---
**Author:** ![Dunawake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dunawake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunawake)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/39 "2007-10-11T23:25:59Z")
[QUOTE=psycat90] Yup. And if you call me a trogdolyte again, I will smack you with a fish. [/QUOTE] Is it one of those fish that swim up from Monterey to visit SF on the weekends? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2007, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253/40 "2007-10-12T00:32:05Z")
**November 3rd** works for me. I don’t have any issues with bridges or tunnels. I draw the line at snakes and ladders, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/festival-of-the-dope-persuasion-bay-area-nov-3rd/422253.md?page=3)