# Feud erupts between Chris Brown and CM Punk **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 26, 2012, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045 "2012-02-26T07:58:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![aaaa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@aaaa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aaaa)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/41 "2012-02-28T20:51:37Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Is there a difference between hip-hop and R&B? Because the only song I recognize on that list is Sexy Back, which I would not have though of as “rhythm and blues.” > > Back to the topic at hand, I think WWE performers should engage in more real life feuds with celebrities. The WWE should become the police of the entertainment world, calling out punks like Chris Brown. Also, this thread has inspired me to follow the Iron Shiek on twitter and WOW, what a riot! That song is kind of a mixture between R&B, rap, and pop but it would usually be classified as R&B or pop. During the “Golden Age” of rap (about 1989/1990-1999/early 2000) the difference between rap and R&B was a lot bigger than it is today. At the time rap was influenced by R&B and often used samples from R&B groups like DeBarge. For example both these songs were released in 1995 (Albums were at least): [This is rap](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBrzEVJwYFg) [This is R&B](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxRyNvTPr8&ob=av3e) Now though rap/hip hop and R&B are not nearly as different and what is considered popular R&B today is more like a mixture of pop music and “rap” and what is considered “rap” today is not very different from what is considered R&B and is a lot more like pop than ever before. At least that is the way I look at it, feel free to correct me in any way. I don’t listen to R&B and I don’t listen to very much new, mainstream music but I do hear it quite a bit. And of course there is R&B from before rap even existed. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/42 "2012-02-28T21:11:37Z")
> [@Mississippienne](#): > > Several of Chris Brown’s defenders have brought this up and asked why CM Punk hasn’t called out Stone Cold instead. I’m no expert on pro wrestling, so I can’t say if Austin has ever publically apologized or repented or what-have-you. AFAIK he’s never gotten into trouble again since the domestic violence incident with his ex-wife Debra. Perhaps he has truly reformed. CM Punk never said in any of his statements that woman-beaters can never be forgiven, just that Chris Brown’s own behavior did not show that he’s changed at all. As Punk knows Austin professionally, he may feel that Austin has reformed himself to a standard acceptable to Punk (whether or not that standard is acceptable to Debra, or you or I or anyone else, is beyond the scope of this thread). IIRC (and I’m not going googling to look it up), Debra was just as much an instigator of physical abuse as Austin. Maybe even more. Sure, Austin is bigger and stronger, and being the man is going to get the worst of any publicity, but they may have been equally combative toward one another. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/43 "2012-02-28T21:51:20Z")
Also, I don’t see Stone Cold Tweeting “I may have whipped a woman, but I’m still the biggest influence of all time, haters. And that’s the bottom line…” ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/44 "2012-02-28T23:54:37Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > IIRC (and I’m not going googling to look it up), Debra was just as much an instigator of physical abuse as Austin. Maybe even more. Sure, Austin is bigger and stronger, and being the man is going to get the worst of any publicity, but they may have been equally combative toward one another. Well, as I linked to above, he also got arrested for assaulting his next gf after Deb, so either he’s not so nice to women or he’s really bad at picking women. He also beat up Stacy Kiebler once, but that was in an episode of Chuck, so it doesn’t count. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/45 "2012-03-01T01:37:35Z")
> [@aaaa](#): > > I don’t listen to his music at all but you are right he is definitely not a rapper. But the difference between his music and new “rap” songs is not very big. [For realsies](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp0HUptbYRo)? ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/46 "2012-03-01T03:33:26Z")
Punk is more interesting than Brown, so… Punk mentioned him when talking down Y2J the other night. ---
**Author:** ![Mississippienne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@Mississippienne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mississippienne)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/47 "2012-03-01T05:05:59Z")
Can I just say I love how SDMB threads warp? We haven’t even reached page two yet, and already there’s a rap vs. r&b vs. hip hop discussion plus debate over whether any good music has been made in any of those genres in the past 20 years. The post mentioning Stone Cold Steve Austin and Stacy Keibler’s appearance on \*Chuck \*is just the cherry on the sundae. Anyway, just to derail the thread further, here is a pic of my future husband [CM Punk wearing a dog collar with a chain](http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpf477M5Ph1qgwrxro1_500.png). Why? Because I said so, that’s why. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/48 "2012-03-01T14:13:14Z")
Punk needs to go back to longer hair. He looked really strange at Elimination Chamber with slicked back hair and a clean shaven face. If he wore a button down and a tie, he could have a mind numbing desk job somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Mississippienne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@Mississippienne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mississippienne)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/49 "2012-03-01T19:33:35Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Punk needs to go back to longer hair. He looked really strange at Elimination Chamber with slicked back hair and a clean shaven face. If he wore a button down and a tie, he could have a mind numbing desk job somewhere. The pinnacle of Punk’s hotness, IMO, was 2008/9 when he had the longish dark hair and moderate scruff. However, I think he’s adorable to this day. His face is so expressive and he has charisma to burn, if he’d wanted to be \*anything \*I think he would’ve succeeded at it: movie star, cult leader… it just happens he grew up wanting to be a wrestler. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/50 "2012-03-01T21:48:21Z")
The look he gave Jericho after the Elimination Chamber was hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![aaaa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@aaaa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aaaa)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045/51 "2012-03-02T23:01:43Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > [For realsies](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp0HUptbYRo)? I was talking about Justin Timberlake (I should have been more specific) but that song you posted is definitely not rap. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feud-erupts-between-chris-brown-and-cm-punk/614045.md?page=2)