# Fiesta Bowl **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 2, 2007, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390 "2007-01-02T06:23:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/21 "2007-01-03T03:23:06Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] It was a modified Statue of Liberty play. The classic Statue of Liberty play has the tailback take the ball from the upraised arm of the quarterback. This was a little less obvious but still rare and still deserves to be called a Statue of Liberty play. To me, this particular one looked more like an extreme draw play. [/QUOTE] One reason I’m happy to have instant replay is that the trick plays tend to fool me as a layperson fan. The play gets over and I’m going, “Waitaminute. What just happened?” ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/22 "2007-01-03T03:44:41Z")
Papa Tiger came to bed and said the game had under a minute left but it was late and he had to get up early and since Boise State was down by one TD, he’d give up on it. I suggested he turn it on in the bedroom and watch the last bit. Boy, was he glad I did. We both about had a heart attack before the game was over. And I don’t even _like_ football! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/23 "2007-01-03T06:40:28Z")
I TiVo’d it. I was gonna scout some talent for draft time. It was scheduled to run 3:45 and running low on space I chose not to add extra time to it. So my TiVo recording ends with 4 minutes left in the game. Gee, did I miss anything good? ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/24 "2007-01-03T06:53:48Z")
Earlier this week I was quietly rooting for the other Big XII teams to do well so Texas would get a little respect for next season. Once it became obvious that the conference sucked ass during bowl season, I was able to engage my usual hatred of a&m and o.u. Boy, was that a great game! Take that sooners!! I went to Texas and I was born there… so it’s innate to wish the worst for the Normans. I wavered a bit because of the storylines of Adrian Peterson and Paul Thompson - two Texans, by the way - but as soon as I saw Barry Switzer’s crooked ass on the TV the hate flowed like the Colorado River. Bob Stoops has not done well on the national stage as of late. He doesn’t have anything to be ashamed of this year, though - o.u. played decently but Boise State just wanted it more, I guess. In fact, they should get some grief for blowing their fourth-quarter lead. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/25 "2007-01-04T06:03:21Z")
Simply awsome. Second best game behind last year’s Rose Bowl. (even if we lost ☹ ) The whole second half I had the feeling it would not go BSUs way. They just weren’t doing much. After Ok scored the 2 pointer after 3 trys, I figured it would not go well. The interception was a major letdown. I wanted to see BSU hang in there. But there was time left and I knew they wounldn’t sit down. Damn! They got back to a tie! First play in OT, if figured, “Well, it was heading that way anyway. At least they made it this far” (I was telling people at a Christmas party they were going to pull it off). Going for 2? What enormous BALLS! Your rock, Boise State! ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/26 "2007-01-04T13:10:18Z")
OU grad here. I thought the ending kind of sucked. Actually, as poorly as OU played for 3 quarters of the game, it would have been a shame if BSU hadn’t won. This was the first game I’ve seen in a long time where it was obvious that Stoops got out-coached and out-gambled. ---
**Author:** ![redtail23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@redtail23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/redtail23)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/27 "2007-01-04T13:35:57Z")
**KRM** , I’d have to agree with you. I’m not sure where Stoops’ head was, but it didn’t seem to be at the game I was watching. And OU didn’t really start playing until the last half of the last quarter. I mean, come on guys, we usually get TWO good quarters a game! (But then again, it was a bowl game, so I should probably be grateful it wasn’t worse.) **Hippy Hollow** , I though you were someone I could like, and now this! A longhorn?!? Oh goodness gracious me, I feel faint! But we can always join together in hating Switzer. Nobody hates Switzer like someone who grew up in Norman in the Seventies, trust me on that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/28 "2007-01-05T09:24:10Z")
Here’s the last 1:30 of regulation and OT. [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4290184382815369007](http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4290184382815369007) ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/29 "2007-01-05T12:51:02Z")
I’ve heard “hook and ladder” and "“hook and lateral”. I’m not sure about the current status of the discussion. This is the first time that I’ve seen a big time Hook and Ladder in the age of the internet, though. I suspect there’s some heataed debate out there somewhere. One thing that nobody has mentioned much is that on the modified Statue of liberty, the left defensive end and the outside linebacker pretty much sniffed it out. But, the tight end gets a nice down block on the left defensive end and the linebacker is still kind of open. The left tackle comes around the tight end and just cleans up the linebacker and the end, who is coming off the tight end. It also strikes me as a little strange that the coach of BSU didn’t go for 2 at the end of regulation (like Oregon State’s coach) , but went for 2 on his first chance in OT. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/30 "2007-01-05T17:19:03Z")
The key to that hook and "ladder"al was that the guy who caught the ball started trun, just a few steps, but it completely got the defense going the wrong way. Usually when I see it run, the lateral is done immediately and isn’t as effective. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/31 "2007-01-05T18:54:35Z")
A good friend of mine who is a rabid OU fan sent this message to me after the game. > [@](#): > > January 1, 2007, > > I was outside the stadium after the Fiesta Bowl, sitting in the little cart which was to take me back to the disabled parking area. Boise State and Oklahoma fans were milling about, exchanging pleasantries and commenting about the amazing game we had just seen. > > BOISE STATE FANS: > > “Hey, guys! That was a great game! Congratulations!” > > “You guys (Oklahoma fans) are some of the coolest people we’ve ever seen.” > > “I hope we can all get together and do this again, sometime.” > > “You guys were awesome! You’re team is great! We understand what just happened, and we respect Oklahoma’s team and fans!” > > OKLAHOMA FANS: > > “I don’t really feel that bad that we lost. That was such an amazing game! You guys (The Boise State team) played so well, and your fans are the greatest!” > > “I feel like we (the fans of both teams) just shared something truly memorable.” > > “If we gotta lose, I’d always want it to be to people like you. You guys are class all the way.” > > “When we (the fans of both teams) are old, we’ll be telling our grandchildren about this! Millions of people will claim they were here. I’m keeping my ticket stub to prove it!” > > At this point in the love-fest, one drunk guy in a Boise State T-shirt walked up to me, looked at my “Oklahoma Sooners” jacket, screamed “FUCK YOU!” into my face, and staggered away. > > ME: Well, that was polite! > > BOISE STATE FANS NEAR ME: > > “Oh, God! I am so embarrassed!” > > “I hope you don’t think he’s typical!” > > ME: I don’t. > > OLD LADY IN “SOONERS” TENNIS SHOES NEXT TO ME: Every human body has one asshole. > > BOISE STATE FAN: I guess he’s ours. > > DRUNK GUY, ABOUT THIRTY FEET AWAY: Shit! > > We looked in the direction of the yelling, to see that he had tripped over a curb and fallen on a large cactus. > > BOISE STATE FAN: That was poetic, man! Beautiful! > > Everybody except “Cactus Man” had a good laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/32 "2007-01-05T21:36:30Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] I’ve heard “hook and ladder” and “hook and lateral”. [/quote] My take was always that the pass-lateral-run in a playbook diagram looked vaguely like hooked-together firemen’s ladders. The problem is that the lateral **is** the hook, so “hook and lateral” doesn’t make any sense. > [@Trunk](#): > > It also strikes me as a little strange that the coach of BSU didn’t go for 2 at the end of regulation (like Oregon State’s coach), but went for 2 on his first chance in OT. I think it was the first play of the first overtime, in which Oklahoma blew in 25 yards untouched, that convinced him that his defense was spent, and was unlikely to stop OU in any number of overtimes. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/33 "2007-01-05T21:44:50Z")
[QUOTE=Freddy the Pig] My take was always that the pass-lateral-run in a playbook diagram looked vaguely like hooked-together firemen’s ladders. The problem is that the lateral **is** the hook, so “hook and lateral” doesn’t make any sense. [/QUOTE] Sure it does. It’s a literal description of what the receiver’s job is on the play. The “hook” is the little comeback route he runs, and then he laterals the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/34 "2007-01-05T21:55:20Z")
[QUOTE=redtail23] **Hippy Hollow** , I though you were someone I could like, and now this! A longhorn?!? Oh goodness gracious me, I feel faint! But we can always join together in hating Switzer. Nobody hates Switzer like someone who grew up in Norman in the Seventies, trust me on that. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Well, **red** , you can’t be all bad if you hate Switzer. Some of your fellow sooners seem to think that he’s a god, instead of an evil cheater. (Even though I give him dap for realizing that Black kids could play ball, and beating Darrell Royal’s lily-White teams with his rainbow coalition teams.) Can’t argue with results (great winning percentage, guns and drugs, Charles Thompson, and Brian Bosworth)! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390/35 "2007-01-05T23:37:23Z")
Yes, “hook” is the name of a route a receiver runs. Looks something like a candy cane when you draw it up. After executing a hook, he laterals. So it’s really “hook and lateral” Hook and ladder is kind of a pun, because of the type of fire truck, and that’s what sticks in people’s minds. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fiesta-bowl/386390.md?page=1)