FIFA World Cup for Dummies (like me)

Doubt it, since goalkeepers still wear shorts!

I assume gloves were a practical necessity and useful for match officials (for spotting handball offences by players not wearing gloves). I can’t believe there’s ever been a fuss over long versus short sleeves.

Folks, it’s easy to know the rules in Association Football. Simply take the time to read the 17 laws of the game, and the accompanying decisions. It takes all of about 15 minutes at best. EVERYTHING that you must, can, and can’t do is there, basically.

Do not confuse the fact that 'keepers are allowed to wear things other players aren’t with the concept that 'keepers are required to wear anything other than a contrasting jersey.

I think decades ago keepers sometimes used to wear what in Britain we’d call polo-neck woollen jumpers. I’d guess that this provided warmth and padding for when they landed on the ground.

However there should be no doubt that the rule about them wearing a different strip is purely to distinguish them from the players who can’t touch the ball with their hands; as has been pointed out it would be near impossible in many situations to tell whether the ball had been legitimately punched.

Did you know?: Until about 1912 the keeper could handle anywhere in his own half. The penalty box was only there to mark where a penalty would be given for a foul rather than a free-kick (hence its name). Having said this I think keepers could only punch the ball rather than catch it. Once catching was allowed the keeper could be bundled into the net for a goal if he’d just caught it. This was banned around 1960.

Regarding offside from throw-ins, I’ve more than once heard a seasoned fan shouting “off-side” before being quietly led aside.

Mr Tickly – the throw-in offside rule changed. You could be off side from a throw in back when you still looked good in tight shorts but that was a while ago now…or so they tell me.

On the video thing: – I like the idea and I suspect most people in the game like it as well. One problem not often mentioned but which troubles me is that it’s so difficult to get a conclusive answer – you look at almost any incident and it takes at least three different angles to see what actually happened:

Angle one: Didn’t touch him, the player dived
Angle two: May have brushed his leg but definitely not a penalty
Angle three: Almost took his leg off !

And sometimes, even three’s not enough. What I mean is that the camera (angle) does lie and that while it would help, it’s not a total panacea.

DSyoung,
The rules of Association football are one thing, but the world of FIFA Guidelines are another thing altogether.

plus, if your wearing a green and white hooped Jersey, and the referee is Hugh Dallas, your automatically wrong.

TwistofFate, please post a reference to these “Guidelines” you mention.

Meanwhile, I’ll set forth what FIFA has available officially regarding how the game is played, and what it says about equipment, since it is apparent that some here aren’t interested in taking the time to educate themselves on the actual truth, a funny concept on a site devoted to exactly that idea…

LAWS OF THE GAME
Law IV Players’ Equipment
You must wear jersey, shorts, socks, shinguards and shoes.
You can’t wear anything dangerous to others.
Shinguards must be totally covered by the socks.
Goalkeepers must wear colors which distinguish them from the other players and the referee.

Decisions of the IFAB regarding Law IV:
Referees must inspect equipment before the game begins.
Players can’t play with equipment that the referee determines violates Law IV.
A player made to leave the field of play in order to bring his/her equipment in compliance with Law IV cannot reenter until a stoppage of the game and only after the referee is satisfied the player is in compliance with the law.
A player who reenters without the referee’s permission shall be cautioned.

Additional Instructions Regarding the Laws of the Game:
23. Players’ outfits:
Referees must make sure players are in conformity with Law IV, must make them keep shirts tucked in and socks pulled up.
Visible undergarments, such as thermoshorts, can be worn, but only if they are of the same color as the predominant color of the shorts, and they cannot extend beyond the knee.

Questions and Answers to the Laws of the Game:
Law IV:
Referees do not have to let a player play with a bandage just because a doctor deems such a bandage medically necessary; if the referee feels the bandage is dangerous to other players, the referee can refuse to allow the player to play wearing it.
A goal scored by a player who loses a shoe colliding with another player is valid, because the player did not intentionally play without proper equipment.
If both goalkeepers have the same color on , and neither has an alternate shirt to wear, the referee should allow the game to proceed.
A referee may allow a player to wear glasses while playing, as long as they don’t create a danger to other players.

You now have every bit of official rules and information regarding equipment. Individual competitions are not allowed to have competition rules that modify these rules, except as to substitutions, number of players, size of field and ball, duration of play, and size of goal.
Now, I’m always willing to learn something new. Goodness knows I don’t ever pretend to know everything, and more knowledge is a good thing. So if someone has something official that addresses issues such as sleeve length for keepers, wearing of gloves, etc., I’m all for finding out about it! :slight_smile: But, I’ll warn you, there are many so-called “rules” that get passed on, even in the refereeing fraternity, for which there is no basis in actual fact. These “rules” often start as common sense generalizations and end up written in stone. But they have no basis in the official rules.

Did I say you were wrong, DSYoung?

No. I just said that Fifa do issue directives and guidelines that aren’t necessarily “rules”. Like the directive that substitutes and Managers weren’t to leave a certain area marked around the dugout (implemented in 1994). like the modifications to the offside rules designed to improve the game.

Like the directive to give the attacking player the benefit of the doubt. Is that a set in stone rule?

So, please dont take that tone with us just because we are discussing jerseys.
some people have heard of a rule, some people haven’t. we are discussing it. just because we didnt go to FIFA and search the rules dosent make us ignorant.

TwistofFate, you might want to talk from knowledge, not out of a hat. :wink:

The directive about technical areas was encompassed in one of the documents from which I quoted. The offside law modifications were implemented by changing the wording of Law XI. FIFA doesn’t just go out and tell people things, or come up with concepts that are disseminated in private. Indeed, it is a measure of your lack of knowledge on the subject that you talk about FIFA, because law changes aren’t implemented by FIFA at all. I’ll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine who it is who makes law changes, including the various instructions regarding the laws of the game.

And finally, there is no directive to give the attacking player the “benefit of the doubt.” A player either is or isn’t offside. The law was changed to make it less likely that a player would be offside, but an official isn’t told by FIFA or anyone else to help out either the offense or the defense.

Well, not being a referee or a member of the IFAB I wouldn’t be partial to their running, but from all the resources I hear about the running of the games, (commentators, pundits and magazines) they mention directives pretty regularly. They aslo refer to the changes to the Offside rules as being to giving “the attacking player the benefit of the doubt”.

It might not be written in stone, but that is how the changes were referred to.

This was a simple discussion about Antiquated “rules” that we had heard referred to. It was a simple discussion of opinions.You sure know how to ake the fun out of a conversation.

Boy, I played for a few years in school but I had NO IDEA that there was no offside offense on a throw-in, goal-kick, or corner-kick. Wow. I feel so. . . American.
Again, really?! That shakes my worldview. I feel so educated now.
Of course I also had a great shock during a game (I played goalie) when I caught the ball, preventing IT from passing the posts, and learned that MY FEET ALSO had be be outside the goal when the ball was caught. Ah, well.

Yeah, I know what you mean, capybara. I knew there was no offsides on a throw-in, but I didn’t know about the goal-kick or corner kick. Incidentally… it seems a little tough to be offsides on a corner kick anyway, doesn’t it? Unless they mean that if team A gets the corner, team B can’t be offsides on the other end, which would be a little pointless.

At first I thought you were wrong. Then I read your sentence again.

It seems right indeed: a player (goalies included) who is not within the lines, can only enter the game after the referee allows him to (with the exception of throw-ins and corners, or when the goalie picks up a ball from behind the goal, e.g., all “dead” moments). Therefore, the goalie must jump to the ball from within the field. You can land with your feet behind the line just fine, as long as you hold the ball on or before the line - no goal scored.

Here’s my question: Why do they switch to simultaneous games for each team’s last game in the opening round? Before now there have been three games a night, evenly spaced out.
But tonight there are four games, two at one time and two more five hours later. And it continues this way for the rest of this round.

It seems like these games tend to be much more important, and now they’re making me choose between them??

It’s usually to avoid teams playing for particular results or going into a match knowing exactly what they need to achieve when other teams might not. Playing all matches at the same time puts all teams on an equal footing; everyone with something to gain has to try equally hard.

To avoid match-fixing: a direct result of the notorious game between West Germany and Austria in the 1982 World Cup Finals. The other two teams in the group having already played their last game, both teams knew that a 1-0 win for West Germany would mean they both qualified. Germany duly scored, and from that moment neither team bothered to attack at all. Naturally, the other two teams (Algeria and… ?) were outraged, as was everybody else. The story is that the German commentator was so disgusted he didn’t speak for the final 20 minutes of the game. Anyway, from then on, FIFA made sure that the last two games in World Cup groups were played simultaneously.

Almost spot on: it was 1986. :slight_smile:

No Coldy, it was '82.

http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/reuters/asia-109424.html

First the Netherlands fail to qualify, and now you’re getting football questions wrong?

For Shame.
:stuck_out_tongue:

Gah! I stand corrected. A Dutch commentator said it was '86 last night, whilst explaining the timing of the third group matches. Seems we can’t even comment right, when it comes to football. :slight_smile:

Ok now a simple question. (I hope)

I’m sitting down to watch a match. I have my beer. (weak ass, ice cold American beer but what do you expect) and my snacks.

The game starts.
What an I looking for?

You see to me sometimes the matches start to look like a lava lamp. Just these blobs kind of moving back and forth and back and forth…

So what should I watch for? What do you watch for?

Attacking play; teams getting close to the penalty box; passion and aggression in tackling indicating that the players are fired up. Flair and creativity in passing and movement: little tricks like backheels or nutmegs, or intricately crafted passing movements where the ball seems to flow between perfectly placed players.

No, I haven’t been drinking.