# Fight Scenes where the "martial artist' gets beaten? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 17, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015 "2012-09-17T22:13:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/21 "2012-09-18T03:02:03Z")
Marlowe, with James Garner and Bruce Lee. Fighting on a balcony, Garner steps aside when Lee launches a flying kick and sails out over the balcony. ---
**Author:** ![Beastly\_Rotter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@Beastly\_Rotter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beastly_Rotter)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/22 "2012-09-18T03:30:29Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > 1999’s _Wild Wild West_ [had one](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNE2lFHd4yE#t=42s), which was amusing enough, though the “martial artist” himself really wasn’t that good. That was the only funny bit in the entire movie: “I just made that up!” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/23 "2012-09-18T08:23:45Z")
Oliver Platt (as Porthos) enacted a comic version of this trope in the decidedly mediocre 1993 version of _the Three Musketeers_. [Link](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq6_FcTLrtY&feature=player_detailpage#t=179s). ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/24 "2012-09-18T10:37:21Z")
The early days of UFC provided some good nonfiction examples of this. Before the sport was widespread there were a lot of single discipline guys, guys who were more or less just boxers, just karate guys, just wrestlers, etc. So you ended up with fights that were essentially boxing vs karate or wrestling vs boxing. It, of course, varied a lot based individual athleticism, but generally speaking when a karate or taekwondo guy went against a boxer or a wrestler, the guy trained in Eastern martial arts usually lost badly. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/25 "2012-09-18T14:49:31Z")
If you consider boxing a martial art then look no further than the original Rocky. It is surprising how many people don’t know that Rocky loses in the first one. ---
**Author:** ![Keweenaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/da6949/32.png) [@Keweenaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keweenaw)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/26 "2012-09-18T15:04:45Z")
In IP Man 2 Sammo Hung dies in a match with a psycho british boxer. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/27 "2012-09-18T15:31:26Z")
From the CannonBall Run: [I must warn you, I’m Roger Moore.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24hSpYAIMhY) ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/28 "2012-09-18T15:42:31Z")
In the movie Ip Man 2, the eponymous hero is trying to set up a martial arts school in Hong Kong. At first, he is fighting the other martial arts teachers in the area, to prove his abilities. However, then the British decide to host a boxing match in Hong Kong, and the winner, a thuggish British guy, challanges any of the locals to a fight. He basically tears through the local martial art teachers until… Ip man inevitably challenges him, and wins, but only just I suspect this has a lot to do with the fact this film is from Hong Kong, so presumably martial arts hold a lot less mystique over there [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1386932/](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1386932/) edit : Bah, beaten to it ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/29 "2012-09-18T15:47:57Z")
Speaking of _Wild Wild West_, this probably happened dozens of times over the course of the series. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/30 "2012-09-18T16:04:54Z")
I don’t remember the movie and am probably mangling the dialogue a bit: First guy: “Whadya doin’, he coulda known karate or something.” Second guy: “If you get a good enough first punch in, nobody knows shit.” ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/31 "2012-09-18T16:22:40Z")
In _Serenity_, Mal beats up The Operative. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/32 "2012-09-18T16:46:45Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > I don’t remember the movie and am probably mangling the dialogue a bit: > > First guy: “Whadya doin’, he coulda known karate or something.” > Second guy: “If you get a good enough first punch in, nobody knows shit.” My Judo instructor, when asked “who would win…” would inevitably say: _the one who gets the first good blow in._ ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/33 "2012-09-18T21:00:50Z")
Batman is a ninja in The Dark Knight Rises and gets beat up pretty good. In an episode of Seinfeld, Kramer keeps beating up a bunch of kids using karate until they all gang up on him to beat him up. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/34 "2012-09-18T21:42:16Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > In a short-lived drama called _Outlaws_ (it aired in the 80’s, IIRC), a group of Wild West outlaws from the 1800’s and the sheriff who was pursuing them wound up in the twentieth century somehow. (Magic lightning bolt?) With no way to return, they started a detective agency. (Y’know, like you do.) Martial artist or no, I find myself wanting to dig this up and watch it, just for the premise. ---
**Author:** ![Beastly\_Rotter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@Beastly\_Rotter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beastly_Rotter)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/35 "2012-09-18T21:52:19Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > From the CannonBall Run: > [I must warn you, I’m Roger Moore.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24hSpYAIMhY) Roger Moore in The Man With The Golden Gun, where the guy in the dojo bows to Bond, who promptly kicks him in the face. Played for laughs, being Moore, but would have worked much better with Sean Connery or Daniel Craig doing it straight. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/36 "2012-09-18T22:22:21Z")
**The Main Event** , a silly movie with Ryan O’Neal and Barbara Streisand, where O’Neal is a boxer and Streisand is his previously-rich-now-divorced agent. In one scene, a martial artist tries to explain to O’Neal how much better Karate (pronounced wrongly on purpose by the character as “KA-ra-te”) is than boxing, and O’Neal drops him with a stomach punch and says how cute he probably looks in those pajamas. Also the enging of **Black Rain** , where cop Michael Douglas defeats the martial artists bad guy by just being a tougher more experienced steet fighter ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/37 "2012-09-18T22:49:39Z")
> [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > [Cato vs. Clouseau](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk_2-ib3ENc&feature=fvwrel). Hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/38 "2012-09-18T23:25:23Z")
> [@Pieceofresistance](#): > > Umm, Jackie Chan’s entire career consisted of getting beaten up. Check out _Project A_, _Project A 2_, _Police Story_ 1, _Police Story 2_, _Legend of the Drunken Master_, etc. Check out **Rumble in the Bronx** (GREAT film). For the entire film, he is trying to outrun street gangs and the Mob, getting his ass kicked in the process. ---
**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/39 "2012-09-19T02:01:49Z")
Help me remember. In Oldboy, during the hallway fight scene where Dae-su Oh takes on a whole troop of bad guys, did any of them use martial arts or was it straight street fight brawl. I know Dae-su Oh basically won by withstanding more punishment than his enemies could dish out, but I don’t recall if there was any martial arts type maneuvers. Answered my own question: It was a straight street fight with sticks and hammers and the like. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015/40 "2012-09-19T02:58:11Z")
[Capoeira fail](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zkq23q68Us). Turns out this is from a movie called Never Back Down, if youtube’s commenters are to be trusted (and of course they always are). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fight-scenes-where-the-martial-artist-gets-beaten/635015.md?page=3)