# Fighting Global Warming **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 15, 2014, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757 "2014-03-15T10:19:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/1 "2014-03-15T10:19:42Z")
04-15-10, 11:56 PM **Iceland launched an assault on Global Warming** , pumping tons of ash, smoke, fluoride and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. While many fear **Eyjafjallajokull** , mainly because they can’t pronounce it, [JPL scientist note](http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_14889105) that all of the previous eruptions were precursors to more massive activity from the neighbouring Katla volcano. [The last time Eyjafjallajokull had an episode](http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/15-04-2010/113035-icelandic_ash-0) was in 1821, pouring tonnes of ash containing toxic fluoride gas into the atmosphere. It lasted not 24 hours, but until 1823, causing the deaths of many cattle and sheep through fluoride poisoning. (Industry leaders did note that the cattle had fewer cavities) While many bemoan the cessation of air traffic due to the ash cloud, scientist say this will actually slow global warming, [since air traffic is the cause of at least 15 to 20% of global warming](http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/12/aircraft-vapor-trails-responsible-for-15-20-percent-of-arctic-warming.php) in the arctic regions. (The amount elsewhere is still uncertain) The ash and smoke also reflects sunlight, or at least blocks it from reaching the troposphere, further reducing global temperatures. While Greenpeace activist celebrate Mother Earth “fighting back” against climate change, experts on volcanoes caution against too much jubilation. “This could just be the start of a really large event, which could lower temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere by several degrees.” said one unnamed researcher. (he didn’t want his name used, because you know how the bloggers will react to that) While Icelanders fear a drastic event could be disastrous for the area, they are welcoming the tourist, who are the only thing keeping their economy going right now. Meanwhile in London, travelers complained about canceled flights and worried about when they could once again fly all over the planet whenever they felt like it. In Bangladesh, farmers worried about rising sea levels celebrated the news. A local farmer said, “If this will slow down the ocean rising and killing millions of us, then I am happy it is happening.” Leaders cautioned that just because one volcano has erupted, this doesn’t mean we can stop fighting CO2 emissions, and urged people to remember that even if this does slow down global warming, we are still in grave danger. Shortly before he was killed by toxic fumes, our reporter asked Eyjafjallajokull if this was motivated by a desire to help out the planet. Eyjafjallajokull told us, “What? no, I just had to go, you know? You want to go talk to [Mount Tambora](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Tambora), now he will put you back in to an ice age in a few years if you want.” ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/2 "2014-03-15T11:36:00Z")
Oh, good. Another one of these. Yay. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/3 "2014-03-15T12:09:54Z")
You can’t deny a good old strato-volcano fights global warming ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_Merton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Frank\_Merton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank_Merton)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/4 "2014-03-15T12:11:47Z")
Yes a few volcanoes might help, but I don’t know that we can count on them. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/5 "2014-03-15T12:13:45Z")
One thing we know for sure, volcanoes will erupt. It’s only a matter of time. If greenhouse gases can warm the planet, we may not get a huge global cooling event the next time a Tambora level event happens. If we do see the global cooling that follows such an event, billions may starve. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/6 "2014-03-15T12:22:54Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > One thing we know for sure, volcanoes will erupt. It’s only a matter of time. … We’re going to need a really big cork. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/7 "2014-03-15T12:27:52Z")
Seriously, do we really need another one of these jokes of a thread (by their joke of an OP)? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/8 "2014-03-15T12:42:22Z")
Science deniers hate facts and reality. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/9 "2014-03-15T12:43:29Z")
“Goody goody, another nail!” cries hammer-wielding dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/10 "2014-03-15T12:49:26Z")
An unexpected result of the Pinatubo eruption in 92 was that tropical plants thrived in the slightly shaded sunlight. (when it is too hot and sunny, tropical plants stop absorbing CO2 and growing), and the increased growth caused CO2 levels to fall. Ocean fertilization (from the mineral rich dust) also caused massive growth in the oceans, which also lowered CO2 levels. [http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Mauna-Loa-rate.gif](http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Mauna-Loa-rate.gif) You can see the growth rate was as low as in the sixties. Combined with the drying of the upper atmosphere, just one volcano brought temperatures and CO2 levels down. The august global mean in 1963 was 0.058 The august global mean in 1992 was -0.008 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/11 "2014-03-15T12:56:55Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The august global mean in 1963 was 0.058 > The august global mean in 1992 was -0.008 January global mean 1944 0.245 January global mean 1992 0.266 January global mean 1993 0.204 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/12 "2014-03-15T12:57:32Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “Goody goody, another nail!” cries hammer-wielding dipshit. Suffice to say that FX, who you described so disparagingly here, ignores that volcano eruptions give evidence to the scientists that shows the contribution levels of human made CO2 and the actual presence and levels of the water vapor feedback. [https://www.sciencemag.org/content/296/5568/727.abstract](https://www.sciencemag.org/content/296/5568/727.abstract) Something that that hammer-wielding troll denies too. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/13 "2014-03-15T13:05:18Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Seriously, do we really need another one of these jokes of a thread (by their joke of an OP)? Nature is also on the conspiracy! [That and also finding that FX demonstrates even more loopiness elsewhere](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=717960&page=2) makes this thread useful to tell others very early to not follow and support this jerk troll. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/14 "2014-03-15T13:50:41Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Suffice to say that FX, who you described so disparagingly here, ignores that volcano eruptions give evidence to the scientists that shows the contribution levels of human made CO2 and the actual presence and levels of the water vapor feedback. > > [https://www.sciencemag.org/content/296/5568/727.abstract](https://www.sciencemag.org/content/296/5568/727.abstract) > > Something that that hammer-wielding troll denies too. if you want to read GIGOs replies before he posts them download the same app he uses, then you to can just copy and paste responses, rather than answer what people have typed out. [http://www.softmyth.com/skeptical\_science-80848.html](http://www.softmyth.com/skeptical_science-80848.html) It’s fun and easy, you don’t even have to think. Oh sure people might complain that you aren’t actually having a discussion, but who cares? In seconds you can spam up any global warming topic with facts. Fight global warming, download the app today. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/15 "2014-03-15T14:19:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > if you want to read GIGOs replies before he posts them download the same app he uses, then you to can just copy and paste responses, rather than answer what people have typed out. > > [http://www.softmyth.com/skeptical\_science-80848.html](http://www.softmyth.com/skeptical_science-80848.html) > > It’s fun and easy, you don’t even have to think. > > Oh sure people might complain that you aren’t actually having a discussion, but who cares? In seconds you can spam up any global warming topic with facts. > > Fight global warming, download the app today. Ok, thank you for certifying that you are an idiot. An app is used for cell phones and pads, not for the desktop I use. It was Google and memory all along that are into the conspiracy to get you with the plentiful facts that are out there. Your complaint here is even more stupid when one realizes that people that debunks pseudoscience have the ability to organize and prepare replies to debunked to death statements, creationists have to deal with [talkorigins.org](http://talkorigins.org), GMO oponents have to deal with [biofortified.org](http://biofortified.org), sites that rely on experts and the science. Sucks that you live in the 21st century and it is now like that guy in Annie Hall only dreamed one could do against armchair pseudo scientists or pseudo movie intellectuals. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/OpIYz8tfGjY/hqdefault.jpg "Annie Hall") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpIYz8tfGjY) As many on the other thread pit thread about dental problems told you, you are only a troll, and a jerk too. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/16 "2014-03-15T14:43:03Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > We’re going to need a really big cork. For the volcano or **FX**? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/17 "2014-03-15T14:44:52Z")
Something I’ve noticed when it comes to any discussion of “global warming” here. The alarmists are insulting, crude and ignorant of the scientific basis of climate change science, where for the most part, the skeptics are reasonable and well thought out. Yet the foul mouthed insulting members call anyone who disagrees with them “deniers” or trolls or whatever name they can come up with. And they can’t see what they are doing. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/18 "2014-03-15T14:54:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Something I’ve noticed when it comes to any discussion of “global warming” here. The alarmists are insulting, crude and ignorant of the scientific basis of climate change science, where for the most part, the skeptics are reasonable and well thought out. > > Yet the foul mouthed insulting members call anyone who disagrees with them “deniers” or trolls or whatever name they can come up with. > > And they can’t see what they are doing. > > Priceless. Priceless coming from the one that called their opponents and even scientists “fuckheads”. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/19 "2014-03-15T14:57:05Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Something I’ve noticed when it comes to any discussion of “global warming” here. The alarmists are insulting, crude and ignorant of the scientific basis of climate change science, where for the most part, the skeptics are reasonable and well thought out. > > Yet the foul mouthed insulting members call anyone who disagrees with them “deniers” or trolls or whatever name they can come up with. > > And they can’t see what they are doing. > > Priceless. Your best approach is to continue mass-posting Googlevomit, annoying non-sequiturs and sarcastic playground taunts until they see the light. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2014, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757/20 "2014-03-15T15:35:34Z")
There is this wacky but interesting thing concerning efforts to cool the world, fight warming. Simple solutions are often resisted strongly by the very people that are so passionate about trying to get everyone else in the world to do something about what they see as “the problem”. The “problem” for them is obviously CO2, and nothing else. They seem to consider it the only “problem” worth wasting everyone’s time with. Like changing the albedo of cities and roads, parking lots and homes. > **[White and green roofs fight global warming, study finds](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/10/white-green-roofs-global-warming/5341261/)** > > The value of white and green roofs in fighting climate change varies by region, study says. Or feeding the oceans to allow algae blooms. [http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/18/iron-fertilization-savior-to-climate-change-or-ocean-dumping/](http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/18/iron-fertilization-savior-to-climate-change-or-ocean-dumping/) Reducing black carbon > **[Black Carbon and Warming: It’s Worse than We Thought](https://e360.yale.edu/features/carl_zimmer_black_carbon_and_global_warming_worse_than_thought)** > > A new study indicates soot, known as black carbon, plays a far greater role in global warming than previously believed and is second only to CO2 in the amount of heat it traps in the atmosphere. Reducing some forms of soot emissions — such as from... Using agriculture to sequester carbon > **[Carbon-Sequestering Agriculture](http://www.perennialsolutions.org/carbon-sequestering-agriculture-global-warming-solution-piece-remove-co2-from-atmosphere-organic-garden.html)** > > To save the planet we may need to turn it into an edible paradise… Check out The Carbon Farming Solution funded by my kickstarter campaign and learn about this hopeful solution to climat… They seem to want expensive solutions only > **[Climate Change | US EPA](https://www.epa.gov/climate-change)** > > Comprehensive information from U.S. EPA on issues of climate change, global warming, including climate change science, greenhouse gas emissions data, frequently asked questions, climate change impacts and adaptation, what EPA is doing, and what you... Using biochar is probably the biggest and cheapest and best solution anyone has ever found so far > **[Biochar as a Climate Change Mitigation Strategy](https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/biochar-climate-change-mitigation-strategy)** > > The data so far are inconclusive. It’s very old technology, biochar (terra perta) mounds are still productive after centuries. that it isn’t used or taught everywhere, is worse than burning fossil fuels to power your internet addiction. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-global-warming/683757.md?page=2)