# Fighting Obesity?? Suuuuurree you are **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 7, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214 "2004-01-07T15:02:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/1 "2004-01-07T15:02:53Z")
A chain of pubs/bars in the UK has decided to jump on the Atkins bandwagon [Link](http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_853144.html?menu=news.latestheadlines) Now im not bashing Atkins per se, I can understand if people are eating a chicken breast accompanied by a salad or whatever, but this really takes the fucking biscuit. > [@](#): > > Richard Gornall, Yates’s head of food, said: “We are responding to increasing concern about obesity, and we think that consumers are increasingly concerned over their weight.” Sounds good huh? now look at the menu > [@](#): > > It includes the Yates’s Burger, which is chargrilled chicken breast covered in melted cheese, sandwiched between two 6oz beef burgers instead of a bread roll. Way to fight obesity guys! we’ll worry about the heart disease caused by consuming all the fat you’re dishing up later huh? turd-dwellers the lot of em. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/2 "2004-01-07T15:04:24Z")
I suppose they serve it with a gun to the head? ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/3 "2004-01-07T15:05:15Z")
The Atkins diet allows fat…though that sounds like a bit much. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/4 "2004-01-07T15:07:18Z")
Are they sure it’s not for the Fatkins diet? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/5 "2004-01-07T15:07:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*I suppose they serve it with a gun to the head? \*\* Of course not, i wouldn’t even have pitted, but it was the combination of the ridiculously fatty menu options and their quoted executive and his oh so lofty quest to fight obesity that p\*ssed me off. As I understand it the Atkins diet was never intended to be an excuse to gorge on meat. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/6 "2004-01-07T15:20:08Z")
> [@](#): > > **One And Only Wanderers** : …but this really takes the fucking biscuit. Mmmm… _forbidden biscuit_. ---
**Author:** ![overlyverbose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9dc877/32.png) [@overlyverbose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/overlyverbose)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/7 "2004-01-07T15:28:25Z")
Damn, that’s even funnier than Hardees’ low-carb thickburger. The idea of someone actually paying the same amount or more for a burger patty in a fry sack that they would for a burger on a bun (that they could as easily remove) cracked me up. The idea of someone thinking that surrounding chicken and sloppy melted cheese with burger patties and calling that healthy makes me laugh even harder. What is the world coming to? I think I need a piece of bread. Or a biscuit. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/8 "2004-01-07T15:36:30Z")
Um… do you understand the Atkins diet? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/9 "2004-01-07T15:40:11Z")
**Bricker** Explain to me how that burger thing described above fights obesity Isn’t an healthy Atkins meal something like a chicken breast (or a n other meat) accompanied by a salad? Or am i missing the point? ---
**Author:** ![scout1222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@scout1222](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scout1222)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/10 "2004-01-07T15:41:12Z")
Damn, **Larry Mudd** beat me to the biscuit joke. Before this just devolves into an Atkins fight, I’d just like to say that I think the rant is that while trying to help folks follow a plan _TO LOSE WEIGHT_ the place is offering a chicken breast WITH CHEESE AND WITH 12 OUNCES OF BEEF. Can you add up the calories? That’s a lot of intake for someone who’s presumably trying to weigh less. No matter what it’s made up of (carbs, fat, protein, who cares?) it’s just a really big meal. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/11 "2004-01-07T16:08:18Z")
You got it **scout122** I am NOT Atkins bashing, i just found the article to be ridiculous for the states reasons ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Clanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@Small\_Clanger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Clanger)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/12 "2004-01-07T16:13:27Z")
If you’re fat YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH FOOD. Substuituting lard for biscuits is not the answer. Two 6oz burgers instead of the bap - that stupid - probably five times the calories. Did anyone see the documentary earlier this week. Some 44 stone yank woman saying “If someone has a problem with my size, they can bite me”. _Bite her?_ if she was very lucky someone might _harpoon_ her. Me – I’d nuke her from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Irish\_Rogue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e36b37/32.png) [@Irish\_Rogue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irish_Rogue)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/13 "2004-01-07T16:20:43Z")
Well, to put it simply, the Atkins diet is low carbs and high protiens. So yes, you eat more meats, cheeses, and fats … and avoid breads, pastas, etc. Yes, salad is acceptable as long as you aren’t using low-fat fat dressing … low-fat items usually have higher sugar content and thus have higher carb counts. Now to your question Wanderer … are you missing the point? Of course not! I’d bet my paycheck that Dr. Atkins did NOT intend for people to put a cheese-soaked chicken breast between two 6 oz beef patties! I’d say you should have the chicken breast OR perhaps ONE of the two patties … but all THREE? No way. The point of Atkins is that people who are insulin-resistant find that a high protien diet reduces your cravings. The first week or two is hard … but after that, your body adjusts to the lack of carbs and you’ve got more energy, you’re eating less … at least, that’s the theory. No, you’re not missing the point … that last thing that restaurant has on their minds is serving healthy food or fighting obesity. What a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Hanna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b3f665/32.png) [@Hanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hanna)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/14 "2004-01-07T16:40:31Z")
The menu item is not what Dr. atkins recommends. Someone who is truly following the Atkins diet would eat only the chicken breast (assuming it is a 6 oz. breast) OR one of the burger patties. You are advised to keep meat cosumption to 6 oz per meal. And of course, the article has no mention of the veggies, they never do. That’s what ticks me off - people who obviously have not the foggiest idea what Atkins is about, and they go on and on how the diet is all “meat, cheese and eggs”. That is not the Atkin’s diet, and people who think it is are way off track. I’ve been following Atkins and a usual evening meal for me is 4-6 oz of meat, and a salad or a cup of vegetables. Some people believe the hype and without reading or learning anything about Atkin’s just start eating all meat, cheese and eggs - and then get angry when they don’t lose and claim “Atkin’s doesn’t work”. ---
**Author:** ![Nutty\_Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d07c76/32.png) [@Nutty\_Bunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nutty_Bunny)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/15 "2004-01-07T16:43:04Z")
I can see the reasoning behind that disgusting-sounding menu item, but I think it’s irresponsible to say they are fighting obesity with it. If someone is currently on the Atkins diet, I can understand ordering it (even though the calories must be through the roof). However, if someone says, “Hey this is on the Atkins diet!” and order that, while they’ve been eating carbs all day everyday. Atkins dieters don’t have the carbs to burn off (which is the first thing to be burned off by the body) so it goes right for the protein and fat. So a carb-eater who thinks they are being healthy by ordering this is in for a real surprise on their scale! ---
**Author:** ![overlyverbose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9dc877/32.png) [@overlyverbose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/overlyverbose)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/16 "2004-01-07T16:55:34Z")
I’m not bashing the Atkins diet, either. While I don’t think that any restrictive diet can be a good idea for a long period of time, I feel that it is ludicrous to think that eating 12 oz. of burger and another however many ounces of chicken covered in cheese all in the same meal is healthy. There is no nutritional value in that meal beyond the protein and dairy. Then there are the vast quantities of fat. The way I understand it is that the Atkins diet promotes eating lots of vegetables and reasonable amounts of meat. The principle behind the above mentioned meal seems to be taking Atkins a bit too far. It also seems to be promoting the misconception that Atkins is all about meat and cheese. While I think that the Atkins diet is not for everybody (there’s no way in hell I’d go on it), it does work for many people, but only when followed properly. I don’t feel that this meal in any way resembles the Atkins diet. It seems almost as though it’s using the Atkins diet as a justification to eat a bunch of crap. As an aside, my comment on Hardees thickburger was my way to get a mini rant into a hearty agreement with the OP. I should have been more clear indicating it was a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![curly\_chick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@curly\_chick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curly_chick)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/17 "2004-01-07T16:55:47Z")
Yates’s Wine Lodge are giving the public this? The same Yates’s who are famous for the incredible invention that is Blob? And we’re surprised, are we? The evil genius who foisted Blob onto the unsuspecting public needs to be watched carefully. This lateset is surely an attempt to recapture the humanity staggering epoch making times that Blob represented. A pint of Blob and an Atkins burger and an ambulance to the hospital please, my good landlord. ---
**Author:** ![Hanna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b3f665/32.png) [@Hanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hanna)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/18 "2004-01-07T17:34:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by overlyverbose \* > **I’m not bashing the Atkins diet, either. While I don’t think that any restrictive diet can be a good idea for a long period of time,** It’s not a restrictive diet. The only things that are restricted are sugar, refined flour, starches, and carbs. Carbs from vegetables and (after induction) fruits are fine. Nobody _needs_ sugar, refined flours, or starches to live. Really. Another myth circulating is Atkins is “no carb”. Not true, not in the least. As a matter of fact, I don’t think of Atkins as a diet, it is an eating plan for life. There is no concrete proof that Atkins is unhealthy, and until there is, I will continue to eat on the Atkins plan. ---
**Author:** ![Nutty\_Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d07c76/32.png) [@Nutty\_Bunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nutty_Bunny)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/19 "2004-01-07T17:41:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by overlyverbose \* > \*\*While I think that the Atkins diet is not for everybody (there’s no way in hell I’d go on it), it does work for many people, but only when followed properly. \*\* I agree. But some people don’t realize that it’s not safe to stay on it long-term because your body _needs_ carbs (glucose) to function properly. And when they go off the diet, everyone I’ve seen has gained back the weight–whether they have slowly added in small amounts of carbs or gone whole hog with carbs. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214/20 "2004-01-07T17:42:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by One And Only Wanderers \* > \*\* > > Way to fight obesity guys! we’ll worry about the heart disease caused by consuming all the fat you’re dishing up later huh? > > \*\* The problem is that you’re assuming that “all the fat” is going to give people heart disease when it is precisely that “fact” that the low-carb proponents reject. As for me, I think the dish sounds disgusting, but that’s because of the combination of beef and chicken and cheese. Julie [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fighting-obesity-suuuuurree-you-are/223214.md?page=2)