# Filthy Arabs assault wealthy Jews **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2004, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677 "2004-07-12T07:08:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/101 "2004-07-14T05:50:34Z")
> [@Sattua](#): > > Le Yikes. I think rode that train line, very late at night, just three weeks ago–with a friend, both of us Jewish (American, though). Everyone else in the car was black, with African costumes. Most were women. > > I’d like to put in a sober observation that the hotel staff, who were largely Arab, did everything they could to harass us, incidentally. They “forgot” our room service orders, told us that the things we ordered–only the things we ordered–were not available in the restaurant, left unasked for cots and cribs in our rooms, repeatedly turned off the air conditioning in our rooms, locked us out of our rooms, messed up our hotel bills, forgot to leave towels, and ignored “Do Not Disturb” signs–at the very beginning, before I’d learned to bolt the door, one walked in on me while I was naked. Maybe it’s because we were American, or maybe the hotel staff really were _that_ incompetent, but there was a large group of Israelis who ended up at the front desk every night, to get their electronic keys fixed along with us, and apparently no one else in the hotel had this problem–because no one else was there. Sounds like my last stay in a Ramada in Phoenix. I guess that they hate me because I’m white. How did they know that you were Jewish? ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/102 "2004-07-14T10:23:02Z")
> [@gum](#): > > [From Sweden](http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10487) If you would read the Swedish text you would find out that this was originally an opinion piece and not a news story. Unfortunately this is not properly indicated in the translated version. What is FrontPageMag anyway? Re: The Young Woman [She confessed she made the whole thing up](http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/14/international/europe/14fran.html?pagewanted=all) > [@](#): > > A woman who provoked a national wellspring of outrage and sympathy when she reported being accosted at knifepoint in an anti-Semitic attack on a commuter train has confessed to making up the story, the police said Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/103 "2004-07-14T10:35:14Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Well…The police announced she admitted to having lied and made up the story “partly or entirely”. In particular she drew the Swastikas with the help of her boyfriend (or husband, can’t remember). Oops, sorry I see that had already been noted 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/104 "2004-07-14T11:24:34Z")
**SherwoodAnderson** , Are you denying there’s anti-semitism in Sweden? [yes, I know the woman lied. I posted that.] I also posted a link about Jew hatred in my own fair country. We know there are a lot of incidents in most European countries. But Sweden isn’t one of them, huh? Originally posted by **threemae** > [@](#): > > _Then the complete story comes out, and now your saying that we should be concerned about black people committing acts of violence against white women and their children? Huh? Even though the case at hand tends to suggest the opposite?_ No. We should be concerned about the contents of my links. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/105 "2004-07-14T12:15:30Z")
> [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > . > > What is FrontPageMag anyway? A notorious hate-site, targetting Arabs, maintained by a Jewish-American extremist. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/106 "2004-07-14T12:35:56Z")
Originally posted by **sevastopol** > [@](#): > > _A notorious hate-site, targetting Arabs, maintained by a Jewish-American extremist._ No doubt a _wealthy_ Jewish-American extremist? :rolleyes: Do you want me to find more links, from more “unbiased” sites? ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/107 "2004-07-14T12:41:39Z")
> [@gum](#): > > **SherwoodAnderson** , Are you denying there’s anti-semitism in Sweden? No, I don’t deny there being _any_ anti-semitism in Sweden, of course I don’t. I would say, though, that it is relatively marginal phenomenon at this time, and certainly no part of mainstream Swedish culture. The largest extreme-right party here didn’t get more than maybe one percent of the votes last time around. The only populist, immigrant unfriendly, political party to qualify for our parliament since WWII was New Democracy 1991-1994. And they were for lowering immigration in general, and rode on anti-muslim sentiments if anything, not anti-semitic. I do not believe that there is a substansially higher level of anti-semitism in Sweden than in the United States. Generally I do believe that xenophobic feelings, and discrimination, against arabs and/or muslims are far more widespread and problematic in Europe these days, than they are against jews. Therefore, I think you obscure reality somewhat, if you describe Sweden (or Europe in general) as having high and/or rapidly rising levels of anti-semitism. There are actually **far** more swedes and europeans being “anti-muslim”, I think. Isn’t that pretty much the case in Holland as well, what with that populist politician of yours that was shot the other year, and all? ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/108 "2004-07-14T12:58:19Z")
[I am talking of Pim Fortuyn, of course](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1971462.stm) > [@](#): > > The 54-year-old sociology professor was a flamboyant character who combined custom-made Italian suits and a flashy lifestyle with hard-hitting anti-immigrant views. > > Professor Pim, as he liked to be called, shocked the Dutch establishment in February with a call for the repeal of the first article of the constitution which forbids discrimination. > > […] > > Some polls predicted that they would garner as many as 26 seats - or 17% of the parliament. > > […] > > He used his sexuality as fuel for his fire against Islam, which - like many other religions - does not accept homosexuality. > > He slammed Islam as a “backward culture” - a view which he expounded at length in a book called Against The Islamisation Of Our Culture. Do you think any party could get 17% in the dutch parliament by calling judaism a “backward culture”, **Gum**? ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/109 "2004-07-14T13:11:18Z")
Originally posted by **SherwoodAnderson** > [@](#): > > _I think you obscure reality somewhat, if you describe Sweden (or Europe in general) as having high and/or rapidly rising levels of anti-semitism._ No. I don’t. Google for ‘rising anti-semitism in Europe’ As for anti-muslim feelings, yes, they’re here too. > [@](#): > > - > > Do you think any party could get 17% in the dutch parliament by calling judaism a “backward culture”, Gum?\* Lord, I hope not. But why you feel you have to drag Pim Fortuijn in this thread is beyond me. The bastard got shot by an animal activist. We were talking about a woman who lied about being attacked by anti-semites. The links I gave were to establish there \*is \* anti-semitism in Europe. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/110 "2004-07-14T14:53:15Z")
> [@gum](#): > > Originally posted by **sevastopol** No doubt a _wealthy_ Jewish-American extremist? :rolleyes: > > Do you want me to find more links, from more “unbiased” sites? Oh, for fuck’s sake, it’s run [David Fucking Horowitz](http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/david_horowitz.htm). Who, aside from being totally bugfuck and a documented liar (as in, -1 \* Michael Moore ^ infinity), once famously claimed not only that the black community in the United States has largely _benefited_ from the experience of slavery, but also that African Americans actually _owe white people_ for the priveledge of having been enslaved. ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_Holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@Mycroft\_Holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_Holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/111 "2004-07-14T14:56:16Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > mijn hovercraft is volledig van palingen. This is too funny! 😃 **owlstretchingtime** , can I have your permission to use this as my sig? ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_Holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@Mycroft\_Holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_Holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/112 "2004-07-14T15:01:51Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > mijn hovercraft is volledig van palingen. Laat vallen uw kousen, de Heer William, kan ik til lunchtijd wachten niet. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/113 "2004-07-14T15:02:29Z")
> [@Mycroft Holmes](#): > > This is too funny! 😃 **owlstretchingtime** , can I have your permission to use this as my sig? Feel free - although it’s not original - it’s from Monty Python. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/114 "2004-07-14T15:05:43Z")
That Mycroft sure knows his python! Ik zal deze verkopers van tabakswaren niet kopen, is het gekrast God klnows what babelfish has done to that. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/115 "2004-07-14T15:39:39Z")
**black455** To tell the truth, I’ve never heard of Davis Fucking Horowitz. Nor do I care to. Are you maintaining there _is_ no anti-semitism in Europe? As I asked before: Shall I get some less “biased” cites? Dumb shit. ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_Holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@Mycroft\_Holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_Holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/116 "2004-07-14T16:10:01Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > Ik zal deze verkopers van tabakswaren niet kopen, is het gekrast mijn uitsteeksels exploderen met verrukking Ok, that’s enogh for now. This is too much fun! ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/117 "2004-07-14T17:01:25Z")
> [@gum](#): > > **black455** To tell the truth, I’ve never heard of Davis Fucking Horowitz. Nor do I care to. > > Are you maintaining there _is_ no anti-semitism in Europe? > > As I asked before: Shall I get some less “biased” cites? > > Dumb shit. Yes. That’s it exactly. I’m saying that there’s no anti-Semitism in Europe. So is everybody else who disagrees with you. Over anything. Or maybe it’s that I’m saying that the cites you provided are pretty weak, and tend to undermine your case, and your strawman histronics when somebody calls them in to question make you look like an idiot. I’ll leave you to puzzle it out on your own. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/118 "2004-07-14T18:24:32Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > They’re still investigating about her motives. She apparently gave her motives. She had a payment to make for her car on this day, and didn’t have the money. So, she made up this story in order to avoid having to pay. OK…She might have been a mythomaniac, but still… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/119 "2004-07-14T20:38:49Z")
> [@gum](#): > > **black455** To tell the truth, I’ve never heard of Davis Fucking Horowitz. Nor do I care to. > > Are you maintaining there _is_ no anti-semitism in Europe? > > . Because it is only _real_ racial hatred when the victims are Jewish, isn’t that right **gum**. ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2004, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677/120 "2004-07-14T20:51:16Z")
> [@gum](#): > > > [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > > > I think you obscure reality somewhat, if you describe Sweden (or Europe in general) as having high and/or rapidly rising levels of anti-semitism. > > No. I don’t. Google for ‘rising anti-semitism in Europe’ > > As for anti-muslim feelings, yes, they’re here too. Well I do not agree. I maintain that anti-semitism remains pretty much a fringe phenomenon in Sweden. Anti-muslim sentiments on the other hand are substancial in certain parts of Sweden. **Gum** , you only seem interested in answering the question: “Is there _any_ anti-semitism in Sweden, _whatsoever_?”. Forgive me, but I don’t think that is a question that leads to much enlightenment. We just have to find any one neo-nazi out of a population of ca 9 million people and then we can answer “yes”. I believe a much more relevant question would be: “Are a substancial (\>5% f. ex.) part of Swedes anti-semites, or are things moving in that direction?” I would guess (from personal experience) that the answer to that question is “no”. Do you know of any surveys (preferably containing hard numbers) pointing in another direction? > [@gum](#): > > > [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > > > Do you think any party could get 17% in the dutch parliament by calling judaism a “backward culture”, Gum? > > Lord, I hope not. But why you feel you have to drag Pim Fortuijn in this thread is beyond me. The bastard got shot by an animal activist. > We were talking about a woman who lied about being attacked by anti-semites. > The links I gave were to establish there \*is \* anti-semitism in Europe. Well like I said, no-one is denying there is _any_ anti-semitism in Europe. That is a given. Interesting debating points would be: Is it getting to be a big problem? Bigger than in the US? In what countries specifically? Is it at present a bigger problem than anti-muslim feelings? And so on… I do believe that anti-muslim xenophobia is very relevant in a thread that is about a news story of an alleged gang rape of a jewish girl by 6 arab men that turns out to be falls, but only after making it’s way around the world news media, chatrooms and blogs as an example of arab savagery. If you read my posts again you will notice that I asked you whether you thought that anti-muslim sentiments were more or less widespread than anti-semitism in your home-country, Holland. That was the reason I brought up Pim Fortuyn since he was on his way to getting 1/5 of the dutch vote by calling Islam a “backward culture”, etc. What do **you** think is the bigger problem in Holland right now: anti-semitism or anti-muslim feelings? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/filthy-arabs-assault-wealthy-jews/254677.md?page=7)