# final election tallies - when available? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 14, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/final-election-tallies-when-available/771964 "2016-11-14T15:38:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/final-election-tallies-when-available/771964/1 "2016-11-14T15:38:54Z")
My question is two fold - fairly straight forward really - The [CNN](http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/president), [FoxNews](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/presidential-election-headquarters)and [Google](https://www.google.com/search?q=2016+election+results&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=enn/p//0/0///////////) election results still show 290/228 EC with Michigan/NH outstanding and a roughly 600k delta with Clinton winning the popular vote. There is this site -[https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/](https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/) Which swings the popular to Trump as well as the EC to 306/228. Now at first glance, it appears they are counting in Michigan - which accounts for the 306, but I cannot figure out where they are getting the other numbers for the votes themselves. My questions - a) Where is the second site getting the info from? (pulled out of \* is perfectly acceptable, the rest of the site implies as such) - ETA: - Ok - they updated that page - they got the numbers from “twitter” posts - so they pulled it out of their ass. (I guess I’ll consider that one answered now - but if anyone has a additional info how they come up with it, that would be great) b) Without using media sources - when/where do we get the real final tallies of the popular vote?