# finally a summer movie I can get excited about (Pirates 4)
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**Created:** [December 16, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337 "2010-12-16T05:52:00Z")
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### Author:  [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/1 "2010-12-16T05:52:00Z")
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5AqJww06bw)
trailer looks great but they always do. disney sequels are always good, right?
I loved 1, and I liked 2 and 3 enough because even they the plot was a huge mess, they had pirates. (similar with JP2 and 3, they have dinosaurs, so I can watch it just for that). But anyway hopefully they learned their lesson from PotC 2 and 3 and can make this one just cool action scenes without a confusing plot. I had my doubts about Pirates 4 but I just watch the trailer and hear the music (I love the music in the series) and hear yet another “_Captain_ Jack Sparrow” joke and I can’t help but be excited for this. All I ask from this movie is that I be entertained for 2 hours in the theater.
People complain about Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley not being in it but I don’t care. Johnny Depp is way cooler anyway, and Barbarossa (don’t know his actor) is back too so he and Jack Sparrow always interact well. Jack Sparrow is the coolest guy in the series anyway, we don’t need Will or Elizabeth. Why do movie makers always try to put in a girl and dumb romance plot and interrupt the action?
I better start saving my money so I can afford a $9 movie ticket to see it this summer (yes I am so excited I can’t even wait for it to get to the $3 theater 3 months late)
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### Author:  [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/2 "2010-12-16T06:04:56Z")
I was wondering if they had already cum out with Pirates 3, but you seemed to have cleaned that issue up.
I’m just not penetrated by the idea of a 4th Jack Sparrow flick.
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### Author:  [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/3 "2010-12-16T06:17:42Z")
Ian McShane as Blackbeard is a brilliant piece of casting. If it’s more in line with the first POTC, this movie could be very good. Pirate zombies, hell yes!
> [@PSXer](#):
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> I better start saving my money so I can afford a $9 movie ticket to see it this summer)
Better save $18 so your friend can see it too. 😉
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### Author:  [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/4 "2010-12-16T06:20:04Z")
I really enjoyed the first PoTC but the two sequels were just awful movies. I’m skeptical that the can produce another good PoTC movie.
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### Author:  [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/5 "2010-12-16T06:32:35Z")
> [@Odesio](#):
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> I really enjoyed the first PoTC but the two sequels were just awful movies. I’m skeptical that the can produce another good PoTC movie.
Same here. I’ll have to wait to see what the reviews and the good people of the Dope have to say about it.
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### Author:  [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/6 "2010-12-16T06:41:54Z")
surely they have learned their lesson from parts 2 and 3 and this will good
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### Author:  [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/7 "2010-12-16T07:14:25Z")
I might go see it, but Will and Elizabeth are more interesting to me than Jack, so I’m left wondering what’s the point is of making another movie without them.
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### Author:  [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/8 "2010-12-16T07:15:34Z")
I happened to enjoy #2 and #3 (other than wishing they were separate plots rather than just one plot split up) though I know many others did not. But #4 is based on a critically acclaimed novel (the original novel has nothing to do with the movies other than also being about pirates), so I hold out hope that it will be enjoyable even for those who got lost after #1. However #5 and #6 are up in the air.
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### Author:  [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/9 "2010-12-16T09:40:48Z")
I’m one of the seemingly rare people who liked the craziness of 2 and the plot of 3 (at least, if the Internet is to be believed ;)) and I’m pretty psyched for 4. I think losing Elizabeth and Jack is a good thing, as we can focus more on swashbuckling and double-crossing.
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### Author:  [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/10 "2010-12-16T10:21:03Z")
I really like #2 and #3, I don’t know why people hate them so much. Yes it’s convoluted the first time through, but after another watch it makes more sense and you can just enjoy the ride.
However, I am not enthused by the trailer for #4. There’s no spark in it for me, it looks uninspired. But that may be because it’s a teaser, just jamming a bunch of scenes together quickly. A proper trailer aligning somewhat with the plot might make me more enthusiastic.
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### Author:  [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/11 "2010-12-16T10:50:07Z")
Remember to save an extra fiver to tip the ticket ripper.
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### Author:  [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/12 "2010-12-16T11:31:20Z")
I should point out that #4 is based on ‘The Stress Of Her Regard’ by Tim Powers, a very well regarded novel and author. If they did it any justice at all, it should be most excellent.
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### Author:  [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/13 "2010-12-16T11:55:31Z")
What Curse of the Black Pearl had that the others don’t is Stuart Beattie. That said, I’ll probable give it a try.
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### Author:  [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/14 "2010-12-16T12:11:15Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#):
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> I should point out that #4 is based on ‘The Stress Of Her Regard’ by Tim Powers, a very well regarded novel and author. If they did it any justice at all, it should be most excellent.
I think you mean _On Stranger Tides_ by Tim Powers, and they only borrowed some concepts (Fountain of Youth and Blackbeard). This is the same book that _The Secret of Monkey Island_ was partially inspird by, so it all comes full circle.
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### Author:  [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/15 "2010-12-16T12:43:42Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#):
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> I really like #2 and #3, I don’t know why people hate them so much. Yes it’s convoluted the first time through
I haven’t seen them in years, and my mind mostly shut down after the first half hour, but…
The plot machinations lost all meaning. Death, loyalty, lust, revenge, were combined in various ways but were impossible to take seriously.
The showpiece fight on the waterwheel was typical of the sickness. It was literally unbelievable (even within the context of a silly movie), rolled on far too long, the outcome of the fight was meaningless, the shifting of combatants --intended to be cute-- wasn’t.
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### Author:  [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/16 "2010-12-16T13:12:30Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#):
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> I think you mean _On Stranger Tides_ by Tim Powers, and they only borrowed some concepts (Fountain of Youth and Blackbeard). This is the same book that _The Secret of Monkey Island_ was partially inspird by, so it all comes full circle.
The first movie reminded me of [the cover](http://www.amazon.com/Stranger-Tides-Tim-Powers/dp/B000J6FOP6/ref=tmm_mmp_title_0) of my copy of the book (now a collector’s item!). I love Tim Powers & am glad he’s getting some money–& perhaps some new fans.
Plus: **Ian McShane as Blackbeard!**
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### Author:  [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/17 "2010-12-16T15:26:19Z")
WHile I liked the rpesence of Bloom and Knightly in the first, I felt they were badly used int he sequels. Their story should have been left alone; they had what they wanted out of life. They were strong, heroic characters but that plot was done. They had to actually shrink the characters in the sequels so they could grow them again - hence the huge character derailment. And with them being the ambiguous semi-heroes, they had to push Sparrow into the complete loon angle to make it work.\*
Well, it didn’t, of course. The result wasn’t outright bad in 2, but it didn’t live up tot he first, adn 3 was just a huge crapfest because they couldn’t resolve that complex a plot very well. Thus, you got so many interesting characters just shoved off rudely.
This is where I think the series should have gone right off: a whole new story which gives them some room to grow.
\*If you watch the first closely, yes, Sparrow is a heroic and comic figure, and he’s more than a little nuts, but everything he does is very purposeful, cunning, and even rational. The same can’t be said later on.
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### Author:  [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/18 "2010-12-16T15:44:13Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#):
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> I think you mean _On Stranger Tides_ by Tim Powers, and they only borrowed some concepts (Fountain of Youth and Blackbeard). This is the same book that _The Secret of Monkey Island_ was partially inspird by, so it all comes full circle.
As I understand it, they realized that they were cutting pretty close to the plot of his book and decided to cut him a check instead of tiptoeing around it. (From a Locus interview with Powers a while back). I’m just glad he’s getting some scratch out of this.
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### Author:  [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/19 "2010-12-16T17:17:11Z")
Oops. Wrong book. Both remain awesome.
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### Author:  [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-summer-movie-i-can-get-excited-about-pirates-4/564337/20 "2010-12-16T18:27:33Z")
So Rob Marshall is directing it insead of Verbinsky? That’s not good.
Trailer’s quite tepid.
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