# Finally, a victory for people who aren't complete fucking retards **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569 "2005-01-13T17:07:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Moe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moe/32/2972_2.png) [@Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moe)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/21 "2005-01-13T22:26:55Z")
I was browsing this forum before and saw this thread title but didn’t think much to open it. Then I just came upon an article about the OP, came here to find a discussion about it, saw the thread title again and thought “well, this must be the place”. > [@jinwicked](#): > > _Grits-for-brains…_ > > Since they are obviously so concerned with truth and accuracy and making sure they don’t fill people’s heads with inncorrect ideas, they should voluntarily include stickers next to the beginning of Genesis in their Bibles, as well. If bibles make their way into our public schools, we got bigger problems. ---
**Author:** ![rorty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b2d939/32.png) [@rorty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rorty)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/22 "2005-01-13T23:11:59Z")
> [@jackelope](#): > > **rorty** and **NurseCarmen** , you are both hereby invited to kiss my educated, intelligent, talented, polyglot, cultured, progressive, Southern ass. > > As for the Cobb County school district: What about the Jesus-horses? Much better, thanks! I’ll plant one right on the old donut hole for ya. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/23 "2005-01-13T23:16:31Z")
> [@Pochacco](#): > > Actually, Biblical creation isn’t a theory. It’s a hypothesis. And one that is contradicted by physical evidence. Actually, it’s not contradicted by physical evidence, but I don’t think we need to get into this here. Let’s just say that I disagree and we’ll leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/24 "2005-01-13T23:19:01Z")
[stickers!](http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/textbookdisclaimers/) ---
**Author:** ![butter\_pie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@butter\_pie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butter_pie)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/25 "2005-01-13T23:23:32Z")
> [@Pochacco](#): > > Actually, Biblical creation isn’t a theory. It’s a hypothesis. And one that is contradicted by physical evidence. Awww…c’mon. You know what I meant. Plus I work at night and I posted that right after I woke up. 🙂 > [@Moe](#): > > If bibles make their way into our public schools, we got bigger problems. True that. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/26 "2005-01-13T23:35:35Z")
> [@rorty](#): > > The south has yet to join us in the 21st century. Considering that Pennsylvania’s own Senator Rick Santorum has come out in favour of a school district that’s trying to teach intelligent design, believe me, it ain’t just the south. No part of the country has a monopoly on religious idiots. :rolleyes: One of these days, I’ll decide whether that’s a good thing. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/27 "2005-01-14T00:27:15Z")
> [@Moe](#): > > If bibles make their way into our public schools, we got bigger problems. Except for school libraries, right? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/28 "2005-01-14T02:02:07Z")
> [@Pochacco](#): > > Actually, Biblical creation isn’t a theory. It’s a hypothesis. And one that is contradicted by physical evidence. Cool, let’s add that to the sticker. ---
**Author:** ![Podkayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Podkayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Podkayne)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/29 "2005-01-14T02:21:06Z")
> [@Moe](#): > > If bibles make their way into our public schools, we got bigger problems. We studied the Bible in World Literature in a public high school. Also the Upanishads, the Quran, and some other stuff. I think the problem would be exposing students to the Bible in any situation where that sticker would be needed, i.e. a science class. ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/30 "2005-01-14T02:41:45Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Actually, it’s not contradicted by physical evidence, but I don’t think we need to get into this here. Let’s just say that I disagree and we’ll leave it at that. Um … were there stickers in your high school science books? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/31 "2005-01-14T02:53:15Z")
> [@](#): > > **rorty** : The south has yet to join us in the 21st century. Notice, please, that the ruling came from a judge in Atlanta. Further, in standard written English in the 21st Century, both _South_ (as an area of the country) and _Century_ (designating a specific century) are capitalized. SDMB is about fighting ignorance, not promoting bigotry – even in the Pit. Of course, if you _choose_ non-standard written usage, I will do my best not to make any assumptions about your lack of education. I don’t want to prejudge you, newbie. ---
**Author:** ![butter\_pie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@butter\_pie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butter_pie)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/32 "2005-01-14T04:15:18Z")
> [@Podkayne](#): > > We studied the Bible in World Literature in a public high school. Also the Upanishads, the Quran, and some other stuff. > > I think the problem would be exposing students to the Bible in any situation where that sticker would be needed, i.e. a science class. Well, yeah, I’ve read some of it myself and it can be pretty good in parts, it wholly has merit being discussed as a piece of literature; the problem is that some people can’t seperate the literature part from the religion part. In high school and Uni this probably isn’t a problem. The Bible doesn’t belong in science class though. Just to clarify, when I say creation, I mean the people trying to assert that the world is literally 6000 years old. At least stuff like Intelligent Design is making an effort to mesh itself with science in some way, though I still don’t think it has any place in a science class. I gotta wonder, if their kids’ faith is so shaky that teaching them about archaeological history at school is going to rend it all asunder, then maybe their devout parents aren’t totally doing their job at home. Or maybe it’s just really about exposing other people’s kids to the loophole that evolution is just a _theory_, so it’s easier to win/maintain converts down the line. It’s a bit cynical I admit, but it’s been the evangelicals that I’ve noticed doing this kind of thing to begin with. AFAIK Catholics don’t have a problem with evolution. And I don’t notice them wanting to include say, Hindu or Muslim stories of Creation, in the interest of fairness. Because they could _all_ or _none_ be right, but I’m going to lean in favour of just reporting the facts we do know with relative certainty and what jives with the fossil record. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/33 "2005-01-14T04:25:33Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Actually, it’s not contradicted by physical evidence, but I don’t think we need to get into this here. Let’s just say that I disagree and we’ll leave it at that. Since you’re back in school, take some science classes and you’ll discover the Biblical account in Genesis just isn’t adequate to explain the natural world. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/34 "2005-01-14T04:25:43Z")
What’s kind of sad is the content of the sticker is not technically incorrect, but so few people understand why. If they did, the statement would merely be construed as silly (sort of like saying cars are not petrol), versus something meant to cast spurious doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/35 "2005-01-14T04:42:20Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Since you’re back in school, take some science classes and you’ll discover the Biblical account in Genesis just isn’t adequate to explain the natural world. I never said it was. However, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Moreover, I have never maintained that Genesis is a literal account. Anyway, I’m not going to get into this. At the end of this path lies futility. ---
**Author:** ![rorty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b2d939/32.png) [@rorty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rorty)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/36 "2005-01-14T05:00:35Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Notice, please, that the ruling came from a judge in Atlanta. > > Further, in standard written English in the 21st Century, both _South_ (as an area of the country) and _Century_ (designating a specific century) are capitalized. > > SDMB is about fighting ignorance, not promoting bigotry – even in the Pit. Of course, if you _choose_ non-standard written usage, I will do my best not to make any assumptions about your lack of education. I don’t want to prejudge you, newbie. Woosh! Relax, oldie. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/37 "2005-01-14T05:01:05Z")
For those unfamiliar with the Atlanta area, Cobb County (which I’m afraid I call home) isn’t really what I would call a backwards redneck type area. It’s actually more of a typical suburb, but does seem to be heavily religious. While most here are of the more moderate religions, they do usually represent the more conservative wings of said religions. The Methodists here, for example, are nowhere near as laid back as the Methodists I grew up with. I’m proud to say that both my wife and myself voted for Kerry and against the ban on gay marriage, but we were GREATLY outnumbered in both categories. My wife even joked about being lynched when she pressed “No” to the gay-marriage ban, as the touchscreens were visible to those nearby. This textbook issue made the news a few weeks ago in the main Atlanta alternative mag, and I was happy to see that there are at least a few folks here that were against it. Just doing my part for the Atlanta tourism industry by letting you all know that Atlanta proper (which is really Fulton County) isn’t in the dark ages. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/38 "2005-01-14T05:45:19Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Moreover, I have never maintained that Genesis is a literal account. So you agree that a literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creation is unsupported by the physical evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Moe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moe/32/2972_2.png) [@Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moe)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569/39 "2005-01-14T06:52:06Z")
> [@Podkayne](#): > > We studied the Bible in World Literature in a public high school. Also the Upanishads, the Quran, and some other stuff. > > I think the problem would be exposing students to the Bible in any situation where that sticker would be needed, i.e. a science class. Yeah, admittedly I was a bit flippant in my remark. I did specifically mean bibles in public school to spread religious dogma. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-a-victory-for-people-who-arent-complete-fucking-retards/284569.md?page=1)