# Finally saw X-Men 2... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 12, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594 "2004-08-12T21:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/1 "2004-08-12T21:18:13Z")
…and I must say; German, deeply-religious Catholic Nightcrawler was the BEST THING I EVER SAW! Is he like that in the comics, and does he have his own series? I hope they decide to give him his own movie… ---
**Author:** ![Chairman\_Pow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Chairman\_Pow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chairman_Pow)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/2 "2004-08-12T21:19:49Z")
Calm down, it will be OK. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/3 "2004-08-12T21:27:15Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > Is he like that in the comics, and does he have his own series? I’m not sure how he is in the comics\* now, but he is getting his own series soon. \*Though his Ultimate X-Men character is a bit different - much more sauve and worldly. Almost James Bondish. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/4 "2004-08-12T21:27:40Z")
The X-men comic book didn’t bring it up too often, but Nightcrawler was (is?) deeply religious. It’s strange considering that his mother, Mystique, is a mutant lesbian terorrist (in the comic, she uses her shapechanging ability to assume the shape of a woman much younger than she is actually), his father was (from what I’ve heard) recently revealed to be an extradimensional demon, and Nightcrawler was adopted from infancy by a very demonic-looking sorceress, Marlgail Szardo, and raised among gypsies! Where the devout catholicism came in is actually the biggest mystery about him! The fact that he had a longtime romance with a woman who turned out to be his magically-imbued _sister_ (by adoption, the girlfriend was Marlgali’s biological daughter) only complicated the matter further. This is what you get when a succession of too many writers try re-writing comic book history too often. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/5 "2004-08-12T21:27:58Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > German, deeply-religious Catholic Nightcrawler was the BEST THING I EVER SAW! Is he like that in the comics Yes…well…depending on the writer (and possibly the series, I don’t know what he’s like in the Ultimate universe). He was a priest for a time (although, IIRC, that turned out badly…). He’s significantly fuzzier, less scarrified, and usually less guilt-ridden, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/6 "2004-08-12T21:57:34Z")
Nightcrawler was always my favorite X character alongside Colossus and Archangel. From what I remember of him in the comics, he’s deeply religious but is more of an informal Catholic than one too preoccupied with sin. For instance, he was quite the ladie’s man and was always hitting on any cute girl that was near him. He did eventually become a priest though. Not sure if he still is. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/7 "2004-08-12T22:06:20Z")
> [@Art Vandelay](#): > > his father was (from what I’ve heard) recently revealed to be an extradimensional demon I thought he was an ancient and powerful mutant, and not literally a demon? ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/8 "2004-08-12T22:25:26Z")
Now, Mystique is Nightcrawler’s biological mother…wasn’t she also, for a time, Rougue’s adopted mother, or something to that effect? I seem to remember that it was Mystique who forced Rogue into permanantly absorbing Ms. Marvel’s powers, but I may be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/9 "2004-08-12T23:16:10Z")
Yes, yes, and yes. > [@](#): > > Where the devout catholicism came in is actually the biggest mystery about him! He was living in a monastery for some time before joining the X-men. Grantred, his background is peculiar, but doesn’t really contradict itself like so many other characters. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/10 "2004-08-13T19:30:43Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > Now, Mystique is Nightcrawler’s biological mother…wasn’t she also, for a time, Rougue’s adopted mother, or something to that effect? I seem to remember that it was Mystique who forced Rogue into permanantly absorbing Ms. Marvel’s powers, but I may be wrong. In the comic, Mystique is Rogue’s stepmother. She adopted her after Rogue ran away from her original family. Rogue was a junior member of Mystique’s incarnation of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, akin to Kitty Pryde’s “trainee” status in the X-men back then. (Fellow ‘Evil Mutant’ Destiny was Mystique’s lover, but there never seemed to be the same relationship between Rogue & Destiny, Rogue didn’t have two mommies! 🙂 ) I don’t think Mystique _made_ Rogue attack Ms. Marvel. IIRC, Mystique had a grudge against Ms. Marvel, and Rogue went after her to prove she could be just as capable a terrorist as the rest of her ‘momma’s’ group. Of course she wasn’t as capable, and hence accidentally absorbed Ms. Marvel’s powers permanently. Little known comic book trivia: Mystique, Sabertooth & Deathbird were all originally villains in Ms. Marvel’s short-lived solo series in the late '70s. It ran a little less than two years. (That series was also written by Claremont.) ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/11 "2004-08-14T05:53:21Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > …and I must say; German, deeply-religious Catholic Nightcrawler was the BEST THING I EVER SAW! Is he like that in the comics, and does he have his own series? I hope they decide to give him his own movie… True but as a Bavarian, he should have said 🆒 Grüß Gott! :eek: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/12 "2004-08-14T11:14:17Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > I hope they decide to give him his own movie… Alan Cumming is the man, but I’m not sure how _The Mutant Apostle_ would work as a movie. Or _The Passion of the Blue Guy_. But he was a very good character, and hopefully we’ll see more from him if a certain Oscar-winning bit of dead weight has priced herself out of _X3_. If there is an _X3_. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/13 "2004-08-14T13:44:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > and hopefully we’ll see more from him if a certain Oscar-winning bit of dead weight has priced herself out of _X3_. You better not be talking about Anna Paquin. Oh, you mean the other female Oscar winner on the cast? OK. But after her recent bomb don;t you think her salary demands would be pretty low? Maybe? Hopefully? I don’t know, if they plan on going with the Phoenix storyline they almost need Storm in the pic to serve as the female friend who helps her deal with the changes… though I suppose they could focus more on Cyclops taking on that end of things. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/14 "2004-08-14T14:06:18Z")
> [@Dan Norder](#): > > You better not be talking about Anna Paquin. I wasn’t. The IMDB movie news wrote that “Halle Berry may not be reprising her role in the second X- Men sequel - because she’s reportedly “priced herself out.”” There’s more, but the writing style makes me embarrassed to admit I read it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/15 "2004-08-14T16:09:39Z")
As long as we get Gambit in X3, preferably played by Johnny Depp or Harry Connick, Jr.! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-saw-x-men-2/259594/16 "2004-08-14T17:51:31Z")
Forget Gambit, we need to expand Colossus’ role and make him into a full-fledged character in X3 like they did with Iceman in X-Men/X2. Nightcrawler too! And introduce Archangel!