# Finally someone said it out loud \[racist opposition to the ACA\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 25, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230 "2014-02-25T16:12:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/41 "2014-02-27T00:19:45Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > I definitely think it’s ridiculous to say that the only reason people oppose Obama is racism, or that all people who oppose Obama are racist. Of course it’s possible to oppose a politician because their stances and actions are not in line with your political positions. > > BUT. > > There are people who go beyond opposing Obama, or even disliking Obama, who have an incredibly strong, _visceral hatred_ for Obama that is evident in what they say/write about him (or actions towards him if they’re actual politicians), with a lack of basic respect for him as a person or even the office itself. THESE opponents? I _absolutely_ believe racism is part of their opposition. But note that I don’t think this is every Obama hater/opponent, nor do I think racism is the only reason (or even necessarily the main reason) for their opposition. No, not necessarily the only reason, because I’m sure that group has a lot of overlap with – and perhaps entirely contains – the set of all who apparently felt similar irrational visceral hatred for Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/42 "2014-02-27T01:24:59Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > I’ll agree straight out. At the root of all the negative obstructionism of Obama for both terms is the simply matter of being racists. What is the big surprise? I think it’s an easy way for Republicans to get racists to dislike Obama. It is a tool that works for them. I am a Democrat who voted for him, and I dislike the way he treated Hillary Clinton in the primary and the way he answered a question about that when he made her Secretary of State. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/43 "2014-02-27T01:54:28Z")
Obama is hated in large part because he is a symbol of change – a growing alignment of Americans with the party that represents itself as being for those that have little power in and of themselves, but vast power as a group or coalition. Conservatives who are not bigots are not phobic about other ‘kinds’ of people (including poor folk) are more willing than ever to accept the votes of hatred and bias that are offered them. Never, in American politics, has any person been so subject to gross and evil misrepresentations, smelly stuff indeed. Old line R’s hold their nose and say ‘thank you’ for their support,. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/44 "2014-02-27T02:04:54Z")
I have never been able to understand how a poor state like mine is so solidly Republican in presidential elections. He must be the Bible belt and gun control. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/45 "2014-02-27T02:32:40Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > Obama is hated in large part because he is a symbol of change I think I can say without any evidence of political bias that Obama changed pretty much nothing. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I have never been able to understand how a poor state like mine is so solidly Republican in presidential elections. He must be the Bible belt and gun control. Arkansas is not a **strong** red state. But yes, like Montana, local politics tend to be bluer than presidential elections. Arkansas had (D) Governor and Senator, (R) Senator and 4 reps. Montana has all of them (D) except the at-large representative. I think the recent Pew poll thread illustrates how someone can be someone conservative and pro-Democratic. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/46 "2014-02-27T04:01:19Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Arkansas is not a **strong** red state. But yes, like Montana, local politics tend to be bluer than presidential elections. Arkansas had (D) Governor and Senator, (R) Senator and 4 reps. Montana has all of them (D) except the at-large representative. I think the recent Pew poll thread illustrates how someone can be someone conservative and pro-Democratic. I believe that a woman has a right to what is done to her body, but I also believe that I should be able to own a gun regardless of magazine size or the presence of a bayonet lug. =) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/47 "2014-02-27T04:15:13Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Probably lingering resentments from 2008; the primary fight got really bitter. Well I and a lot of progressive don’t HATE Hillary, but we have little regard for her as a Democrat. She is a center-right corporatist. There will not be much difference between her economic policies and whoever the Republicans nominate. She may do more for the social safety net, but she will not do anything to alleviate the wealthy oligarchy’s rule. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/48 "2014-02-27T04:52:38Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe that a woman has a right to what is done to her body, but I also believe that I should be able to own a gun regardless of magazine size or the presence of a bayonet lug. =) Likewise. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/49 "2014-02-27T05:08:27Z")
The bayonet lug thing, not as silly as it sounds. A bayonet mounting is largely the provenance of a military weapon, no? The sportsman seldom finds him self out of ammo and in desperate need of a weapon against an enraged Bambi. Deer mostly run away, and you can’t catch one to stick him. And I don’t really think we have any compelling reason why civilians should own military weapons. As for buying a weapon with an oversize magazine, I was under the impression that magazines could be removed and replaced, and only the Polish Army ever welded them into place. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/50 "2014-02-27T05:16:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > If you don’t want us to think that racism is the reason why people **hate** Obama, then you have to tell us what the reason actually is. I’ve yet to hear that from any conservative. > > So you claim that no conservative has ever mentioned any reason other than racism for **opposing** Obama? Not only do I not believe you, I am having a hard time believing that you believe you. > > _:shakes head:_ > > The weird shit you people buy, and expect me to fall for. > > Regards, > Shodan I’ve emphasized a word in each quote. **Shodan** , do you think “hate” and “oppose” are synonyms? If so, this gives good insight into Republican thought. If not, do you still think your post is sensical? ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/51 "2014-02-27T06:45:24Z")
…And I know some Black folk who won’t vote for Whitey. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/52 "2014-02-27T07:18:50Z")
Huh. I’d say any black person who won’t vote for a white person will have to sit out on a rather large number of electoral races. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/53 "2014-02-27T07:53:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The bayonet lug thing, not as silly as it sounds. A bayonet mounting is largely the provenance of a military weapon, no? The sportsman seldom finds him self out of ammo and in desperate need of a weapon against an enraged Bambi. Deer mostly run away, and you can’t catch one to stick him. And I don’t really think we have any compelling reason why civilians should own military weapons. > > As for buying a weapon with an oversize magazine, I was under the impression that magazines could be removed and replaced, and only the Polish Army ever welded them into place. This thread is not the place for it but the answer is _why_ should lugs be banned? They don’t make the gun more dangerous. It’s pretty much like saying you can own orange cats and tabby cats, but you can’t own black cats unless they are at least 10% another color. Completely arbitrary. Also deer kill people all the time, although probably more in the situation of the guy thought it was dead so a bayonet won’t help. And wild boars can actively kill you. And normal military weapons are **weaker** than most \>deer-level hunting rifles. > [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > …And I know some Black folk who won’t vote for Whitey. Even (Bill) Clinton? Or I wouldn’t vote for Whitey Bulger, either. > [@Fear of a Black Hat (film)](#): > > ``` > Nina Blackburn: For instance, with the song "Kill Whitey." > Ice Cold: That shit was a whole big misunderstanding. They took the whole thing out of context. > Tone Deaf: They were trying to say we were advocating killing white people and shit. > Tasty Taste: Yeah! Do I look like the type of nigga that could kill a whole buncha white mutha fuckas? I mean, you know, given a reason, but not on a humbug." > Nina Blackburn: Well, in the song lyrics I’m quoting: "He’ll rip you off. He’ll take your money, make you work for free. Though you may scoff. It isn’t funny. He’s the devil, see. Kill Whitey." > Ice Cold: Right. Now how can you listen to that and think we’re talking about killing all white people? > Tone Deaf: Fact. We were talking about one specific whitey. Whitey Deluca our ex-manager. > Tasty Taste: He ripped us off for 70 g's. > Ice Cold: That’s right. And Whitey Deluca wasn’t even white. He was Italian. He was one of those olive complexion MFs you know. > Nina Blackburn: If I remember correctly, he ended up murdered? > Ice Cold: We wasn’t in town when that shit happened. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/54 "2014-02-27T19:47:50Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So do I, but NPR doesn’t want [to discuss ACA on its merits] Cite? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/55 "2014-02-27T21:43:57Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > I think I can say without any evidence of political bias that Obama changed pretty much nothing. He succeeded in enacting health-care reform where Clinton failed; that’s something. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/56 "2014-02-27T21:45:30Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Well I and a lot of progressive don’t HATE Hillary, but we have little regard for her as a Democrat. She is a center-right corporatist. There will not be much difference between her economic policies and whoever the Republicans nominate. She may do more for the social safety net, but she will not do anything to alleviate the wealthy oligarchy’s rule. Is she any worse than Obama in those regards? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/57 "2014-02-27T21:47:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The bayonet lug thing, not as silly as it sounds. A bayonet mounting is largely the provenance of a military weapon, no? The sportsman seldom finds him self out of ammo and in desperate need of a weapon against an enraged Bambi. Deer mostly run away, and you can’t catch one to stick him. And I don’t really think we have any compelling reason why civilians should own military weapons. Well, you see, what it is, there’s more than one way to hunt bear, and shooting them is not the most funnest way, you see. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/58 "2014-02-27T22:02:19Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > He succeeded in enacting health-care reform where Clinton failed; that’s something. Yes, but since it is essentially the Republican plan, we’d be better off if Clinton had caved to the Republicans and used their plan. =) ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/59 "2014-04-04T02:36:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If you don’t want us to think that racism is the reason why people hate Obama, then you have to tell us what the reason actually is. I’ve yet to hear that from any conservative. Uhhh…you don’t keep up with the Internet too much, do you? And, why did the liberals hate Romney? Because he was white? (Finally, the truth is out. I know, it was bold of me, but, doggone it, I’m a prisoner of conscience!) ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230/60 "2014-04-04T02:43:44Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > On [NPR’s Morning Edition](http://www.npr.org/2014/02/25/281396562/democratic-sen-landrieu-walks-a-fine-line-in-red-louisiana) this morning, there was a story > > I will let the story speak for itself: > I was gratified that NPR had the balls to let that statement stand. The reporter didn’t comment on it, but it lay there-- _splat!_– like the big, steaming turd that it is, for everyone to see, hear, and smell. I don’t think that a liberal organization letting a liberal concept (the racist guy’s ramblings) requires a lot of balls. That’s like saying that the Republicans really had balls by letting the Dukakis-in-a-tank video show. And, as for ACA, I don’t care what color one is…if one forces me to buy the shit insurance that I had already refused because it cost too much, and is shit insurance, then one is a shithead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-someone-said-it-out-loud-racist-opposition-to-the-aca/682230.md?page=4)