# Finally! The DNC grows some balls. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 9, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248 "2009-10-09T22:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/81 "2009-10-13T17:08:35Z")
> [@intention](#): > > Again I say, demonizing the opposition is a loser of a tactic. Puts one into a no-win situation then, doesn’t it, when the opposition are actual demons? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/82 "2009-10-13T17:51:15Z")
Oh, by the way, for those saying Obama should have declined the prize so it would go to someone more deserving, that’s not how it works. There are no runners-up for a Nobel Prize – you either win it or you don’t, and if you decline it, nobody gets it. And for the record, Obama has been doing a lot of work negotiating with various countries in the last year, but most of it doesn’t get in the news. Did you know that he persuaded Iran to let Russia enrich its uranium for nuclear plants? That means that Iran ships its uranium to Russia, and gets back nuclear plant fuel, as opposed to nuclear bomb fuel, which in turn means that Iran has nuclear plants, not nuclear bombs. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/83 "2009-10-13T17:57:53Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Oh, by the way, for those saying Obama should have declined the prize so it would go to someone more deserving, that’s not how it works. There are no runners-up for a Nobel Prize – you either win it or you don’t, and if you decline it, nobody gets it. Not only that, but he’s donating the check to charity. If he were to decline it, those charities wouldn’t get that money, and neither would anyone else. Accepting the award just to be able to give the money to charity is reason enough to do it. Those who think he should decline are trying to take money away from those charities. ---
**Author:** ![BKReporter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@BKReporter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BKReporter)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/84 "2009-10-13T18:38:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Not only that, but he’s donating the check to charity. If he were to decline it, those charities wouldn’t get that money, and neither would anyone else. Accepting the award just to be able to give the money to charity is reason enough to do it. Those who think he should decline are trying to take money away from those charities. Has he said what charity he’s donating it to yet? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/85 "2009-10-13T19:44:54Z")
> [@BKReporter](#): > > Has he said what charity he’s donating it to yet? Rumor has it that he will donate it to the village in Kenya where he was born. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/86 "2009-10-13T19:47:16Z")
> [@BKReporter](#): > > Has he said what charity he’s donating it to yet? It would be freakin’ hi-larious if he were to donate it to some RNC pet charity. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/87 "2009-10-13T20:04:59Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > And for the record, Obama has been doing a lot of work negotiating with various countries in the last year, but most of it doesn’t get in the news. Did you know that he persuaded Iran to let Russia enrich its uranium for nuclear plants? That means that Iran ships its uranium to Russia, and gets back nuclear plant fuel, as opposed to nuclear bomb fuel, which in turn means that Iran has nuclear plants, not nuclear bombs. Now, if I were a typical “conservative” suffering from Obama Derangement Synndrome, I would now totally ignore that very important example you just provided and mindlessly repeat, “Obama has done nothing, NOTHING I SAY, to earn this award!” ---
**Author:** ![intention](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@intention](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/intention)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/88 "2009-10-13T20:42:47Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Now, if I were a typical “conservative” suffering from Obama Derangement Synndrome, I would now totally ignore that very important example you just provided and mindlessly repeat, “Obama has done nothing, NOTHING I SAY, to earn this award!” Since per Nobel’s will the award is for things done in 2008, you are 100% correct in your repetition. Unless you want to be the first one to stand up and tell us what he did in 2008 to earn it. Everyone else is strangely silent on the question, but clearly you must know more than they do. ---
**Author:** ![intention](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@intention](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/intention)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/89 "2009-10-13T20:47:33Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > [QUOTE=intention] > Again I say, demonizing the opposition is a loser of a tactic. Puts one into a no-win situation then, doesn’t it, when the opposition are actual demons? 😛 [/QUOTE] Yes, it would, if they were actual demons … but most of them are like my father-in-law — old, frightened, and worried about the changes he sees happening around him, scared by things he doesn’t understand, worried by a world where his old ways don’t work and he knows no new ways. Demonizing him is a sick joke. He’s a tired old man … but he votes, and he notices what assholes say about him. Calling him a terrorist doesn’t help in any way. Why is this so hard to understand? ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/90 "2009-10-13T20:57:05Z")
> [@intention](#): > > Since per Nobel’s will the award is for things done in 2008, you are 100% correct in your repetition. Unless you want to be the first one to stand up and tell us what he did in 2008 to earn it. Everyone else is strangely silent on the question, but clearly you must know more than they do. He was not Bush. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/91 "2009-10-13T20:58:20Z")
In 2008, Senator Obama spoke out against the Bush/Cheney way of relating to the rest of the planet. He did this so effectively that the American people made the decision to elevate him to the office from which he could put his ideas into action. As to the other, I realize that there are no such things as actual demons. And I wish you nothing but success in your ongoing task of helping your father-in-law to understand that the new ways must be tried, because the old ways don’t work; and in any event, he will have the loving support of his extended family in coping with whatever bewildering twists he is subjected to by the new ways. ETA: You are engaging yourself with that task, aren’t you? I thought so. ---
**Author:** ![intention](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@intention](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/intention)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/92 "2009-10-13T21:10:47Z")
[QUOTE=tagos] [QUOTE=intention] What happens? Well, in this case what happens is the Democratic National Committee decides to “grow some balls” and become as crazy as the opposition. Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’ll show’em … Again I say, demonizing the opposition is a loser of a tactic. For the Republicans to do it is understandable. For the Democratic National Committee to do it is execrable. [/QUOTE] Bollocks. When the opposition actually are traitors and lunatics turn-around is fair play. Playing nice gets the Dems nowhere. This is simply, for once, punching the bully in the face. They should keep punching, kicking and biting until the Republicans silence the traitors, kicks out the loons and starts being a responsible political party again. [/QUOTE] Tagos, you’re not following the story. The DNC is saying that I’m siding with the terrorists, and I voted for Obama. So punch me, kick me in the face, bite me, and guess what? I won’t vote for Obama next time. (Actually I likely will vote for him, because although the DNC [and some of Obama’s followers on this board] are brain-dead ignorant insulting assholes, he’s not. But others will not be so understanding …) NOT EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU IS SIDING WITH THE TERRORISTS!!! The DNC has taken Bush’s line, that everyone who opposed him was siding with the terrorists, and claimed it as their own … and you think that’s a brilliant plan? People screamed when Bush said it, but now it’s the right thing for the Democrats to do? Really? Meh … go ahead, pound your chest, tell us what a real man you are for punching the bully in the face, that’ll get you plenty of votes in the next election … you do remember that we’re trying to win elections and pass legislation, don’t you? Keep up the oh-so-adult tactic of punching and kicking and biting, everyone knows thats the very best way to attract voters, win elections and get bills through Congress. And yes, I know we have a 60 vote majority right now, but imbeciles that keep insulting voters have made it a virtual certainty that we won’t have that after the next election, which is not far away. We should bless the Republicans for their asshole tactics, they drive voters into our arms … but imitate their tactics? Whatever for? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/93 "2009-10-13T21:12:57Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Rumor has it that he will donate it to the village in Kenya where he was born. Or perhaps the same charity that’s getting Sarah Palin’s campaign clothing. ---
**Author:** ![intention](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@intention](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/intention)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/94 "2009-10-13T21:16:33Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > In 2008, Senator Obama spoke out against the Bush/Cheney way of relating to the rest of the planet. He did this so effectively that the American people made the decision to elevate him to the office from which he could put his ideas into action. > > As to the other, I realize that there are no such things as actual demons. And I wish you nothing but success in your ongoing task of helping your father-in-law to understand that the new ways must be tried, because the old ways don’t work; and in any event, he will have the loving support of his extended family in coping with whatever bewildering twists he is subjected to by the new ways. > > ETA: You are engaging yourself with that task, aren’t you? I thought so. Yes, I am engaging with that task. My mother-in-law is in the nursing home with a stroke, and my father-in-law is nearly blind. They are half a continent away. My wife and I have bought them a mobile home near us with a nursing home nearby, and we’ll be moving them out near to us next month so that we can take care of them. And although they are unrepentant and unregenerate Republicans, anyone who thinks that they are siding with terrorists, or that they should be punched, kicked, and bitten into submission, should be hounded out of the Democratic party as an insensitive, unthinking asshole. I can’t tell you how tired I am of the Republican tactics … but to see the Democrats adopting them simply breaks my heart. ---
**Author:** ![intention](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@intention](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/intention)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/95 "2009-10-13T21:21:18Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > He was not Bush. I must confess, the “ABB” idea has merit … ABB = Anybody But Bush ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/96 "2009-10-13T21:36:47Z")
> [@intention](#): > > Yes, I am engaging with that task. My mother-in-law is in the nursing home with a stroke, and my father-in-law is nearly blind. They are half a continent away. My wife and I have bought them a mobile home near us with a nursing home nearby, and we’ll be moving them out near to us next month so that we can take care of them. Then best wishes to all four of you, and happy Thanksgiving. > [@intention](#): > > And although they are unrepentant and unregenerate Republicans, anyone who thinks that they are siding with terrorists, or that they should be punched, kicked, and bitten into submission, should be hounded out of the Democratic party as an insensitive, unthinking asshole. > > I can’t tell you how tired I am of the Republican tactics … but to see the Democrats adopting them simply breaks my heart. Y’know, it would have been nice if the country had been a little less distance down the shitter by the time last November came around. The Democrats, me included, could have used a bit of an opportunity to blow off steam, without sending some of our own members into fits of hand-wringing despair. Whatever. Take care of yourself and your family. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/97 "2009-10-13T22:16:15Z")
By way of comparison… [http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009\_10/020411.php](http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020411.php) (Radical moderate site advisory) > [@](#): > > Hitler hearts Pelosi? That seems to be a view the National Republican Congressional Committee [which brought you the put-Pelosi-in-her-place statement last week] seems to be endorsing, judging from what the committee posts on their Twitter account. > > On Tuesday morning, as the Senate Finance Committee prepared to vote on the Baucus bill, someone at the NRCC posted a bizarre Tweet linking to an altered three-minute section of the 2004 Hitler biopic “Der Untergang” from the conservative site Moonbattery – with a voice-over of the The Fuhrer ranting about how only Nancy Pelosi shares his vision of health care reform… Offered without comment, for fear of bruising delicate sensibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/98 "2009-10-13T23:47:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > By way of comparison… > > [http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009\_10/020411.php](http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020411.php) > (Radical moderate site advisory) > > Offered without comment, for fear of bruising delicate sensibilities. So, namless NRCC guy tweets something trumps named offcial at the DNC? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/99 "2009-10-13T23:53:07Z")
The fact that I don’t offer a comment is not intended to suggest you supply one on my behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248/100 "2009-10-14T00:22:24Z")
> [@intention](#): > > Since per Nobel’s will the award is for things done in 2008, you are 100% correct in your repetition. Unless you want to be the first one to stand up and tell us what he did in 2008 to earn it. Everyone else is strangely silent on the question, but clearly you must know more than they do. Yep, right on cue. Provide evidence of something done before–not to mention one can point out that it is the committee’s prerogative to consider actions done in the period during which they convene for deliberation–and some strangely idiotic nincompoop is still going to respond with the same idiocy. If you want to elevate yourself above dumbassery, read the NPP committee’s report, read many of the points made in the numerous threads about this all over the SDMB, watch the Rachel Maddow video (which has been linked in more than one thread) in which she directly responds to your “point,” and then, if you so chose, argue out how you specifically disagree that those points are good enough for the award. Then perhaps you won’t be wasting time and internet bandwidth. But to keep repeating that “people are silent” is just stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finally-the-dnc-grows-some-balls/513248.md?page=6)