# Finding Nemo turning kids on to lesbianism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 30, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599 "2003-05-30T18:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TaxGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@TaxGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TaxGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/21 "2003-05-30T21:10:09Z")
Could you describe what one of those “kinds of situations” is like Mr. Mudd? I don’t know what you mean. The problem I have with the story is that they think Disney casted a lesbian on purpose just to piss off the religious right. The POV in the article not-so-subtly implies that everything that is done to piss off the religious right was intentionally done to do so, which is BS. ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/22 "2003-05-30T21:17:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Larry Mudd \* > \*\*I’m not sure, but I think this might be one of those “Many a true word spoken in jest” kinda situations. \*\* Um, except for the part immediately after: > [@](#): > > Although Ellen might be a sweet person (I have no idea) and a good choice for the role (whatever), we’re once again reminded just how far removed most of us are from the cultural epicenter of America. With literally hundreds and hundreds of perfectly viable options, Disney goes with someone whose personal lifestyle is antithetical to the throngs of families who are supposed to eagerly flock to the theaters on May 30th. This is what we in the Internet business call “a disconnect”. > > Needless to say, Mickey needs to get a clue. Is it possible that Goofy is now running the show over there at Disney? I’ve always wondered about him. That and the fact that the site linked is a Christian site leads me to believe that this is for real. And that he’s saying that Disney should have found a non-homosexual for a speaking part in an animated film. Or rather, that because the film is a family film, it is preferred to have no homosexuals in the cast. ---
**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/23 "2003-05-30T21:23:52Z")
I think Larry’s point was in the following: “Clearly, the Pixar/Disney folks just assume that Ellen is a perfect casting choice, and only those in the hate-mongering religious right would have any issues with the selection.” The grain of truth there is that apparently only those hate-mongering religious right folks seem to have any issues with Ellen’s casting. ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/24 "2003-05-30T21:29:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Priam \* > \*\*I think Larry’s point was in the following: > > “Clearly, the Pixar/Disney folks just assume that Ellen is a perfect casting choice, and only those in the hate-mongering religious right would have any issues with the selection.” > > The grain of truth there is that apparently only those hate-mongering religious right folks seem to have any issues with Ellen’s casting. \*\* I’d characterize that as [sarcasm] rather than [jest] as such. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/25 "2003-05-30T21:42:42Z")
**Taxguy** and **jeevmon** , you misunderstand me. When the author of the article says that “Ellen is a perfect casting choice, and only those in the hate-mongering religious right would have any issues with the selection”, he is being _sarcastic_. Of course, as is plain to anyone whose mental faculties are not occluded by irrational prejudices, that sentence is the simple, unadorned truth. Obviously, he does not intend it to be taken at face value. Hence, although he intends to elicit a chuckle with his ‘clever’ phraseology, he has inadvertantly uttered a truism. True words spoken in jest. Sorry, I that was clear. …previews… Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/26 "2003-05-30T21:44:43Z")
Please insert this: **thought** where it seems appropriate above. That’s what I get for ‘previewing’ and not actually reading my post. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/27 "2003-05-30T21:51:12Z")
I think we may well go to that movie just to piss that guy off. Maybe bring one of B’s nieces, too. Can’t start the conversion process too early, now… ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/28 "2003-05-30T21:59:39Z")
Because of course, you can tell someone is gay by just their voice, you know. :rolleyes: I’m waiting for a couple of weeks for the crowd to thin out before we go. My next movie is Bruce Almighty. We just saw X-Men 2 last week. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/29 "2003-05-30T21:59:44Z")
[sarcasm] Hey, how many **single men** worked on this film? Because as I was angrily told by a -former- friend, single men know **nothing** about children. Thus, one can conclude that single men should not be allowed to work on **family** films! [/sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![TaxGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@TaxGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TaxGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/30 "2003-05-30T22:01:39Z")
Cool, I can dig it, Larry. I’ve just never heard that saying before (maybe it’s a Canadian thang). ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/31 "2003-05-30T22:02:38Z")
**Re: Finding Nemo turning kids on to lesbianism** > [@](#): > > Because we all know that if a child hears a lesbian’s voice, he or she will want to be homosexual. > [@](#): > > That’s why I had to stop watching Will and Grace. They almost turned me into one of them thar homer-sexuals. Hey! Why do people doubt that simply watching a cartoon character voiced by a lesbian comedian or a TV show will with homosexual characters will cause them to go homosexual? After all, [Spiderman makes you gay.](http://www.comedyconvoy.com/content/flash/35.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/32 "2003-05-30T22:08:45Z")
Wow, _Finding Nemo’s_ pissin’ off the radical Christian right? I’m **definitely** gonna see it this weekend! 😃 (Of course, I was planning to anyway, but pissing off the rCr is just a bonus 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/33 "2003-05-30T22:18:49Z")
I just wanted to make it clear that when I said (or rather meant to say) “Sorry, I thought that was clear,” _I_ wasn’t being sarcastic. Reviewing, I realize that it could easily be taken that way. It’s obvious to me that since two intelligent people took it to mean that I thought the article was a joke of some sort, further that I thought that it had some truth to it, I wasn’t being clear at all. Far from it! Carry on. Oh, while I’m here– > [@](#): > > I’d characterize that as [sarcasm] rather than [jest] as such. Sarcasm is a subset of jest, although it’s arguably the _lowest_ form, as the saying goes. And allow me to add my voice to the chorus of those looking around for a kid to take to see this movie now. And I usually harbour a grudge against Disney. Ironically, because of the way they tend to _homogenize_ every classic story they get their grubby mitts on. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/34 "2003-05-30T22:25:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ivylass \* > \*\*We just saw X-Men 2 last week. \*\* My God! Don’t you know about Ian McKellan? You’re playing with fire, missy, playing with fire! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/35 "2003-05-30T22:51:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\*My God! Don’t you know about Ian McKellan? You’re playing with fire, missy, playing with fire! > > 😃 \*\* And don’t forget Alan Cumming, also one of the Lavender Lads (although he’s blue in the movie–those cunning homosexuals!) Gee, and right-wing Christians wonder why everyone else think they’re small-minded bigots. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/36 "2003-05-30T23:08:57Z")
For more wacky fundie film-bashing fun, try: [http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/home.html](http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/home.html) About the only thing considered acceptable is Swiss Family Robinson. It has all sorts of wondrous moans and gripes about different films, from the unBiblical Chinese belief system in Mulan, the Gospel singers in Hercules, and the “lust” portrayed in the Hunchback of Notre Dame. The site also mentions: > [@](#): > > **Note: Disney releases are currently being boycotted by many Christians because of their company’s pro-homosexual policies.** ---
**Author:** ![Netbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71e660/32.png) [@Netbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Netbrian)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/37 "2003-05-30T23:42:11Z")
My god. That site has a design that brings tears to my eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/38 "2003-05-30T23:58:01Z")
It’s nice to remember that not all Christians, (and not even all right-wing Christians,) are stamped from the same mould. Would that they were all as grounded as Dr. Ted Baehr, who writes an entertainment column for Christian News Today. [What he has to say about _Finding Nemo_](http://www.christiannewstoday.com/CNTNews78.html): > [@](#): > > Marlin determines [to] overcome his fear of the deep and to find Nemo. He is helped by a fish with a short term memory loss, named Dory, voiced by comedienne Ellen DeGeneres. […] CONTENT: (BBB, C, L, V) Very strong moral worldview with particularly strong father elements and redemptive elements; the little fish pronounce the word “boat” as “butt” several times; barracuda kills mother and fish eggs off screen, frightening sea creatures such as sharks and barracuda, exciting escapes, frightening humans, and animated action violence; no sex; no nudity; and, nothing else objectionable. In [another article](http://www.christiannewstoday.com/CNTNews98.html), he writes: > [@](#): > > I asked [Pixar writer Andrew Stanton] why each one of his movies had a strong redemptive element. _FINDING NEMO_ even has a leap of faith in the belly of a whale reminiscent of the biblical story. Andrew said, “I’m a Christian, and so are most of us.” It sure would be nice if _real Christians_ were as prominent and vociferous as the Fred Phelps flavour of hypocrite & Pharisee. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2003, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/39 "2003-05-31T00:11:40Z")
I find it strangely appropriate that the site linked to in the OP is apparently a division of the “Salem Communications Corporation.” A subsidiary of “Malleus Malleficarium, Inc.,” no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![DeadJesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/35a633/32.png) [@DeadJesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadJesus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2003, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599/40 "2003-05-31T00:43:48Z")
> [@](#): > > And don’t forget Alan Cumming, also one of the Lavender Lads (although he’s blue in the movie–those cunning homosexuals!) Not only Sir Ian and Alan, X2’s director Bryan Singer is also gay. I’m going to see Finding Nemo tomorrow with my younger brother. He has a friend who interned at Pixar Studios and did some work on the film, so in addition to the great animation, we want to see if he got any credit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finding-nemo-turning-kids-on-to-lesbianism/178599.md?page=3)