# Finial, aglet and grommet conversation split from the Trolls R Us Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 19, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534 "2024-07-19T17:47:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/21 "2024-07-21T15:48:59Z")
And the spider fitter. End of non-troll hijack. [![](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0382/8869/files/what-is-a-lamp-shade-lampshade-parts.jpg?v=1536597345) ](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0382/8869/files/what-is-a-lamp-shade-lampshade-parts.jpg?v=1536597345) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/22 "2024-07-21T15:50:21Z")
Should I split the Finial, aglet and grommet conversation out to MPSIMS? **Done**. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/23 "2024-07-21T15:50:46Z")
Yes…. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/24 "2024-07-21T16:07:24Z")
My wife was concerned that I wouldn’t be able to drill a neat hole in our new countertop, to install a water dispenser. I said- don’t worry about it, the dispensers always come with an escutcheon to hide the hole. She said “a what?” ---
**Author:** ![Dogginit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogginit/32/16920_2.png) [@Dogginit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogginit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/25 "2024-07-21T16:56:37Z")
Finials are also found on the top of handrail/guardrail posts (newels) on stairs and decks ocassionaly. Newels can be starting newels, volute newels, or landing newels (and probably some more specific). Between the newels are the balusters, in a traditional picket type rail. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/26 "2024-07-21T17:40:44Z")
[hijack of a hijack] Y’all ever notice buttons. Shaft Split 4-hole 3-hole 2-hole Frog There’s a one-hole. Never understood those. Snaps Then there those rivets. Damn those things are hard to reset. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/27 "2024-07-21T17:50:31Z")
“Frog” is also the name for the depression in the top of a housebrick. j ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/28 "2024-07-21T18:05:15Z")
> [@susan](#): > > And the spider fitter. End of non-troll hijack. Funny that they do not have names for the 2 little sliding things that connect the haro to the saddle. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/29 "2024-07-21T18:08:16Z")
“Zarf! Zarf!” ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/30 "2024-07-21T18:16:39Z")
A frog also holds flowers up in a vase. Seems like ‘frog’ is a handy word. Ain’t part of a horse foot too? ---
**Author:** ![Dogginit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogginit/32/16920_2.png) [@Dogginit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogginit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/31 "2024-07-21T18:51:17Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Ain’t part of a horse foot too? Indeed it is, trimmed at every shoeing, vital in pumping the blood back up through the legs. [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/r6qiyHT.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/r6qiyHT) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/32 "2024-07-21T21:03:53Z")
The bow of a violin has a frog. > **[Bow frog](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_frog)** > > The bow frog is the end part of a stringed musical instrument's bow that encloses the mechanism responsible for tightening and holding the bow hair ribbon. Most of the bow frogs used in today's classical bows are made of ebony; some synthetic bows have frogs made with materials that imitate ebony, while Baroque bows use frogs made with various woods. > The origin of the name frog is unknown, although it may derive from the use of the frock, the small device that bow makers use to shape it. It is ... ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/33 "2024-07-21T21:17:58Z")
A plane (wood working kind) has a frog. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/4M8qCSmWVe4/maxresdefault.jpg "How to Adjust the Frog on a Bench Plane | Paul Sellers") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M8qCSmWVe4) ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/34 "2024-07-22T03:57:07Z")
I remember very clearly the first time I ran into the word “aglet”. I was at a bookstore that had a book on display about weird words for things you didn’t even know had a name. First entry was aglet. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/35 "2024-07-22T07:28:29Z")
There’s also “a frog in your throat” A “frog kick” A “frog step” And that loop on overalls that holds tools is also called “frog”. Surprise surprise. This is turning into a versatile word that can’t be matched. I think it’s my favorite. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/36 "2024-07-22T08:17:59Z")
[Aglets are important](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_DuY0CQUz4)! ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/37 "2024-07-22T08:25:36Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > And that loop on overalls that holds tools is also called “frog”. Surprise surprise. Not just tools. The many meanings of Frog sent me off to my favorite dictionary, 1950 two volume Oxford English coming in at just over five kilos (eccuse me, thirteen pounds (excuse me, nearly a stone)). > An attachment to the waistbelt for carrying a sword or bayonet or hatchet (1719) There are yet more definitions. But I’ll leave them to someone else. j ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/38 "2024-07-22T12:58:02Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > And that loop on overalls that holds tools is also called “frog”. Surprise surprise. Huh. I didn’t know that; I’ve always called it a “hammer loop” (though the tool that goes in it may or may not be a hammer.) – Google recognizes “hammer loop.” It wouldn’t be surprising if the thing’s got more than one name, though. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/39 "2024-07-22T13:47:35Z")
I’ve also seen wooden chairs with newels, on the tops of the vertical dowels on the left and right sides of the back. Though of course there are many designs of chair, not all of which even have such dowels. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534/40 "2024-07-23T04:09:18Z")
Also, frog closures > **[Frog (fastening)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_(fastening))** > > A frog (simplified Chinese: 盘扣; traditional Chinese: 盤扣; pinyin: pánkòu, also called huaniu (Chinese: 花纽; pinyin: Huāniǔ; lit. 'flower buttons') or panhuaniu (Chinese: 盘花纽) in China, or frog knots, frogs, Chinese frog closures and decorative toggles in English) is a type of ornamental braiding closure made out of cord, consisting of a button (oftentimes a Chinese button knot for a traditional Chinese style) and a loop; it is used to fasten garments without creating an overlap.\[1 The frog originat... In knitting/crochet slang, frogging is undoing the work that you’ve done (rip it, rip it, rip it) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finial-aglet-and-grommet-conversation-split-from-the-trolls-r-us-thread/1004534.md?page=3)