# Finn Again's Wake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923 "2010-03-18T19:10:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/201 "2010-03-25T18:55:12Z")
It is true that nobody’s said that, and Ivan is both an idiot and a liar. No, of course not all Palestinians are evil or what have you. Ivan is just engaging in the traditional dodge that, once an anti-Israel person is positively identified as being a racist against Jews or a bigot against Israel, the claim must be made that nobody, ever, can criticize anything about Israel at all, or they’ll be called an anti-Semite. As it is, yes, some of Israel’s enemies are Jew-haters, and yes, they do announce their genocidal views. And yes, although certain dishonest Israel-bashers claim that it’s all in the context of “anti-Zionism not anti-Semitism!” some of the folks they’re defending are, indeed, quite clear on being able to differentiate between Jews and Israel, and hating both separately.. [ > [@](#): > > Within a month of Nasrallah’s taking over as leader, Hezbollah (with the help of Iranian intelligence) bombed the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, killing 29 and injuring over 200. The next attack perpetrated by Hezbollah—again with Iranian help—was the bombing of the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, killing 86 and injuring over 200. > > The widening arena of Hezbollah’s attacks stemmed from Nasrallah’s perception that Jews anywhere are legitimate targets. In fact, Nasarallah has said: > > ``` > If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002) > > ``` > > Shiite scholar Amal Saad-Ghorayeb analyzed the anti-Jewish roots of Hezbollah ideology in her book Hezbollah: Politics & Religion. In it, she quotes Hassan Nasrallah describing his antipathy toward Jews: > > ``` > If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli. (New Yorker, Oct. 14, 2002) > > ``` ]([http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x\_context=7&x\_issue=11&x\_article=1158](http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=11&x_article=1158)) [ > [@](#): > > This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah’s victory is realised. > […] > the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: > > ``` > "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim). > > ``` > > […] > For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there. > > You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it. > […] > Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Muslim people. “May the cowards never sleep.” ]([Hamas Charter](http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm)) ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/202 "2010-03-25T20:35:43Z")
So, who was the nutty imam who wrote that then, and how many signatories did he get on the bottom of his declaration? ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/203 "2010-03-25T20:41:55Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > It is true that nobody’s said that, and Ivan is both an **idiot** and a **liar**. Good to see some things never change. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/204 "2010-03-25T21:47:42Z")
And, while we are both in the same room together, take a good look — one of us has a distinguished, almost regal kind of username and the other has numbers in his. Think you can manage to tell us apart in future? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/205 "2010-03-25T21:54:01Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Good to see some things never change. This has more than one possible meaning … 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/206 "2010-03-25T21:54:38Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > And, while we are both in the same room together, take a good look — one of us has a distinguished, almost regal kind of username and the other has numbers in his. > > Think you can manage to tell us apart in future? Yes, I’m the poster who is “participating” in this thread without being a boring blowhard. Note that my critique does not only extend to the wonderfully majestic but oddly capitalization-impaired soul quoted above. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/207 "2010-03-25T22:12:01Z")
I’m going to read that as a compliment. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/208 "2010-03-25T22:57:44Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > This has more than one possible meaning … 😃 It’s kinda gotten old, Ivy needs to step up his game. He could probably save himself some effort and just use some sort of macro that’ll search my posts to see if I’ve pointed out that anybody’s lying or being utterly retarded, and then cut and paste: “I’m poking you with a stick now, I’m poking you with a stick now! Am I bothering you yet, am I bothering you yet? I’m poking you with a stick now…” Ah well. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/209 "2010-03-25T23:04:01Z")
Haha. The problem, **FinnyAgainAndAgainAndAgain** is that you are such a boor that nothing actually penetrates. My goal is not to bother you, because you are constitutionally incapable of understanding just how rote and staid your posting style is. I’m just here to take in some amusement and hopefully prevent others from emulating your wall-of-texts-about-stupid-liars-and-poor-cites-that-you-claim-are-fact style. Dimwit. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/210 "2010-03-26T15:17:46Z")
I guess I just get easily bored of people that are utterly incapable of considering someone else’s opinion and, when faced with someone that disagrees with them, just degenerates into a child shouting “liar” and “idiot”. Which is why I don’t bother discussing anything with you anymore. You’re the Straight Dope equivalent of the drunkard on the train ranting away that everyone tries to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/211 "2010-03-26T16:28:22Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I guess I just get easily bored of people that are utterly incapable of considering someone else’s opinion and, when faced with someone that disagrees with them, just degenerates into a child shouting “liar” and “idiot”. I’s funny that so many of you have adopted this tactic… one that consists of not telling the truth coupled with a palpably unintelligent dodge, while, in the exact same breath, fretting and moaning over how I point out things that aren’t true and fucking stupid. In other words, a lot of you seem to like lying and being stupid about it how you go about lying, and then crow that, ah-hah, someone has pointed out that you’re being stupid, and lying! Be like me saying “Amanset claimed that the British were genetically superior to everybody on Earth and that they’re descended from the gods of Olympus, and he calls everybody stupid and a liar! Just watch, I bet he’s about to disagree with my claim here!” Take, for instance, your stupid and false claim that I am unable of considering anybody else’s opinion. Were you honest, what you’d really say is “It upsets me that you will not just accept what I say as true!” \*But you’re not honest. Simple common sense should tell you that of course I consider people’s opinions, that why I respond to them in detail describing all the ways in which I disagree. \* So not only is your claim untrue, but in order to make it you need to evince a significant lack of intellect. And, of course, you’re a Janus faced fool as it’s not like you’ve ever said “gee, Finn’s right!” which I guess means that you never “consider my opinion”, or whatever. Besides, what kind of stupidity, exactly, are you peddling? Someone who’s spent their time studying an issue and has formulated their own view needs to while talking to people who can’t even get their facts straight, totally re-evaluate their positions? It’s like someone who has a view on the United States’ War of Independence, and someone else claims that the British had deathrays and BBQ’d babies for the officers’ breakfasts. You’re not exactly going to change anybody’s mind. Of course, I know you didn’t have the originality to come up with this specific lie being used here, or the intellect not to repeat it (I know, I know, you folks keep lying stupidly and I have the nerve to point it out, how horrible I am!). Anybody who checks GD can see that, what I actually do is argue the facts and the logic of a position. When folks dishonestly pit me, like the OP, or make false to facts, and idiotic claims (like you, wm, etc…) I point that out. Common sense (again, something you seem to lack) would tend to show that I’m not allowed to point out when you fuckers lie in GD or to point out when you’re being absolute morons. I do find it fascinating though that none of you seem to have the grey matter to realize how transparent your tactic is. You say something about me that’s obviously false and easily debunked, and before I even respond, you hop up on the cross and complain that I’m about to point out that you were lying, and using such a simple lie is stupid. Do you think that’s effective? That if you lie about me stupidly, but then complain that I point out stupid liars, that I’ll go “Gee amanset, what you’re saying is obviously false but your clever ruse has left me undone. I guess I’ll agree so as not to bear that shame of pointing out an obvious lie. Oh, woe ie me, I am undone by such clever stratagems!” I mean, here’s a thought, why don’t you try not being stupid and not lying rather than lying and then crying when it’s pointed out that it was a pretty stupid thing to do? Is it just a bandwagon thing and you’re unable to come up with your own little meme here, or is it a trolling thing and you figure it’d be funny to lie about me while, simultaneously, complain about how I point out when people are lying? Honestly, I’m curious, what’s going through your head (if anything) when you use an obvious lie that’s wielded like an idiot jamming a fork into an electrical outlet, and then whine that, gee, the target of your lie is probably going to point it out? Here, let me give you an example: > [@amanset](#): > > Which is why I don’t bother discussing anything with you anymore. You spent quite a bit of the thread that spawned this, doing just that. Remember, you were the one arguing that it was fine for the British to capture Jews (sometimes in international waters) and put them into concentration camps behind barbed wire. Remember? See, the fact isn’t that you and your little crowd are upset because you’re so smart and factually accurate and I’m unfairly arguing with you, it’s that you’re generally ignorant and full of shit, and I point that out. Otherwise, instead of making shit up to whine about how unfair I am to you… your post here would’ve been a refutation of my claims and would show how I’ve actually conducted myself wrongly. Instead all you can do is cry and blubber about how your inability to convince me is a character flaw on my part, and your propensity to rely on untruths is horrible because I’ll point it out. For fuck’s sake, at least change up the dance tune, this record has gotten old. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/212 "2010-03-26T16:38:49Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You spent quite a bit of the thread that spawned this, doing just that. Remember, you were the one arguing that it was fine for the British to capture Jews (sometimes in international waters) and put them into concentration camps behind barbed wire. Remember? Jesus fucking Christ. I’d have let it go because you’re not worth it, but I have to defend that as, to use the sort of phrase you seem to like, that is a complete and utter lie. A distortion of the truth in a way that’d make Fox New proud. I said that I had no problem with the use of ex-concentration camps to house people that’d just been freed in the middle of a warzone until someone could do anything about them, seeing as building proper lodgings was beyond impractical in the timescale required and leaving them to fend for themselves was just as bad. And in your diseased mind that becomes “arguing that it was fine for the British to capture Jews (sometimes in international waters) and put them into concentration camps behind barbed wire”. I think that tells everyone exactly why we’ve ended up with this thread. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/213 "2010-03-26T17:24:33Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I’d have let it go because you’re not worth it, but I have to defend that as, to use the sort of phrase you seem to like, that is a complete and utter lie. A distortion of the truth in a way that’d make Fox New proud. > > I said that I had no problem with the use of ex-concentration camps to house people that’d just been freed in the middle of a warzone until someone could do anything about them, seeing as building proper lodgings was beyond impractical in the timescale required and leaving them to fend for themselves was just as bad. See, yet again, when you are caught in a lie, why compound it? Why not just admit it gracefully? Especially when I can link to the relevant posts? Why do you do this to yourself? I mean, it’s disgusting enough that you supported the British capturing Jews and imprisoning them for years after there was any reason to, and euphemistically called capturing Jews and putting them behind barbed wire and snipers to be “housing” them, but now you’re stupid enough to defend your behavior rather than just slink away? When [it was pointed out to you](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12229876&postcount=226)that after WW II, the British had a policy of forcibly interning Jews in concentrate camps, against the Jews’ will, behind barbed wire and snipers, you rather stupidly defended that atrocity with idiocy about how, gee, _of course the British needed to imprison Jews in barbed wire enclosed concentration camps_ I mean, it wasn’t like there was an entire region whose inhabitants were actively inviting the Jews in, or anything. Nope, imprisonment in concentration camps for the lot of them! [there just wasn’t a lot of usable real estate in Europe!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12231645&postcount=303) You actually had the nerve to call imprisoning victims of the Holocaust, behind barbed wire and snipers, to be “housing them.” Seriously, anybody can check on the link to see that I’m not making that up. I then pointed out that, far from it being the only position open to the British, the Jews living in Palestine, on land that they owned and had bought from its rightful owners, offered safe haven to the refugees fleeing Germany and the survivors of the death-camps. And that, quite aside from the British simply ‘housing’ the Jews they captured in barbed wire and sniper-ringed concentration camps. they went as far as [to engage in piracy on the high seas](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12231821&postcount=304) in order to capture Jews and then put them in concentration camps behind barbed wire and snipers. (But it was okay! Those were holocaust survivors who were trying to escape to Israel, obviously the British were only right to seize the ship in international waters, murder a few of the crew by beating them to death, and then put the Holocaust survivors into a concentration camp. ) Again, after capturing a ship in international waters and murdering three people in order to take it over, [this](http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_ph.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005462&MediaId=2210) is where the British ‘housed’ their Jewish prisoners. And why? Because the British were arming (and some would go on to lead) the Arab powers, and were doing their best to disarm the Jews and prevent them from having a chance to defend themselves come the war of annihilation that the Arab powers launched. That the British had originally promised all of Israel and Transjordan as a Jewish Home, reneged on that promise, and then under Arab pressure issued the series of White Papers all but eliminating Jewish immigration to the region while allowing Arab populations to keep climbing. Again, in point of fact, Johnson was so disgusted with the British that he convinced them to engage in a joint fact-finding mission to see what should be done with the Jews who were imprisoned after the war. They ignored the reports findings. [ > [@](#): > > Truman alone could not raise restrictive U.S. and British immigration quotas, but he did succeed in pressuring Great Britain into sponsoring the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. This bi-national delegation’s suggestions included the admission of 100,000 Jewish DPs to Palestine. Britain’s rejection of the report strengthened the resolve of many Jews to reach Palestine and, from 1945-1948, the Brihah (“escape”) organization moved more than 100,000 Jews past British patrols and illegally into Palestine. > > British seamen captured many of the ships used in the operations and interned the passengers in camps on the island of Cyprus. ]([http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005462](http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005462)) Again, this is the sort of shit you actually have the nerve to _support_, you piece of filth. [ > [@](#): > > Cyprus internment camps were operated by the British for internment of Jewish immigrants who attempted to immigrate to the Mandatory Palestine during the 1940s in violation of immigration quotas set for Jews. In spite of repeated requests to lift restrictions to save lives otherwise lost in the the Holocaust, and later the plight of thousands of displaced Holocaust survivors, the British still enforced the quotas set in the White Paper of 1939. Jews escaping Europe in the Beriha and attempting Aliyah Bet were detained at sea or after landing, and held indefinitely and without trial in prison camps on nearby British-controlled Cyprus. > > Where transport ships were intercepted on the high seas by the British Royal Navy, those ships that did not sink (many were old and not seaworthy vessels) were escorted to Cyprus where internment camps were constructed for up to 30,000 detainees. They consisted almost entirely of Holocaust survivors. Funds for maintenance of the camps were taken from taxes collected from the Jewish population of Palestine. > > The first camps were constructed by German prisoners of war (POWs). Conditions for POW’s were determined by the Third Geneva Convention; there was no equivalent convention for imprisoned civilians so the German POWs were generally treated far better than the Jews.[1] > […] > Because of pressure from the United States and in response to the recommendations of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Britain agreed to allow 1,000 Jews a month into Palestine. To reduce pressure in Cyprus (there was fear of a Communist led Cypriot uprising[4]), half that quota, 500 Jews a month, were allowed in from Cyprus. That meant that most Cyprus internees expected to spend a couple of years there before being allowed into Palestine. > > In August 1947 the New York Times reported that 16,000 were being held in the camps and that 4,000 were children.[5] > > In November 1947 the United Nations voted to recommend the UNSCOP plan in Palestine, which called for the establishment of a Jewish state, including a harbor into which Jews could immigrate. Britain refused to implement this point before the mandate ended > […] > Most of the inmates were deeply traumatized Holocaust survivors including large numbers of orphan children. > […] > Over time 50,000 people were imprisoned in the camps and several thousand children were born there. At its peak the camps held almost 10% of the population of Cyprus. Even after the establishment of the state of Israel the British government continued to hold 8,000 Jewish men of “military age” and 3,000 of their wives in order to prevent them joining the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. During this period inmates were held under conditions of indefinite detention with no known release date. They were eventually released in February 1949, following the British government’s decision to recognize the state of Israel. ]([Cyprus internment camps - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_British_camps_on_Cyprus)) This is the kind of atrocity you are defending, because you are scum. And you have the nerve to claim I’ve somehow perverted your argument… when you’re already a moral-pervert. You’re also lying about your reason for not continuing your defense of the British policy of capturing Jews and sticking them in concentration camps.[As you clearly admitted, it was because you didn’t want to risk drawing another warning.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12237418&postcount=390) So, yes, you argued for the British being right in imprisoning Jews behind barbed wire and snipers, for years, instead of simply letting them immigrate to the Jews, on land that the Jews owned, when the Jews were inviting them in. And the British were doing that due to Arab pressure, while the British would go on to arm and consider activating mutual defense pacts with the Arab nations, and many British officers actually resigned their commissions so they could help lead the war of annihilation against the Jews. Faced with all this, all you can do is complain and cringe about how your argument was filled, filled to the brim you say, with the milk of human kindness. So, to check on your lie, did you in fact argue that it was fine for the British to capture Jews (sometimes in international waters) and put them into concentration camps behind barbed wire, and did you in fact euphemistically refer to that policy of imprisonment as “housing” the Jews? Yes, yes you did. It’s funny, you support the British policy of the time period of capturing Jews and imprisoning them in concentration camps, and you claim that _my_ mind is diseased. Tell us, again, how the brave, valiant British had to imprison orphaned Holocaust surviving children and those who object have diseased minds. Tell us all about how the British had no choice but to imprison tens of thousands of Holocaust survivors, because, gee, then they’d have to ‘fend for themselves’ and immigrate to Israel where they’d be welcomed and have homes. Far better to imprison them in concentration camps. Tell us again how the British were doing that for the Jews’ own good. Please do. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/214 "2010-03-26T18:23:18Z")
Is this not a theatre of the absurd? **FinnAgain** ’s wall o’ retarded texts are possibly the 8th wonder of the world. Now, I haven’t read any of them, I just admire the number of scrollwheel motions I have to make to get through them. However, I did see several references to “lies” and such as I scrolled through (with rest breaks for my finger). I also like the tactic of citing one’s own posts as evidence. It’s [clear that](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12267164#post12267164) all of his posts are the same. And, **FinnAgainAndAgainAndAgainAndYetAgainThisGoesOnForAWhile** , you are a [liar too](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=556315)! And a war criminal who is stylistically rigid (a kind euphemism for “ploddingly dull”). Your walls of ridiculous lies and accusations would be, in any other poster, prime evidence of trollery. However, your frothing and sputtering and lack of ability to actually defend your points in any other way than simply repeating them over and over until everyone else gives up, combined with the prolificacy of your posts both in frequency and verbiage, leads me to the inescapable conclusion that you are some sort of idiotic savant, whose single-minded craziness can be likened to those such as Gene Ray, Fred Phelps, or the GOP. No troll of merely human ability could so convincingly and continuously project such a persona, never giving a hint or subtle clue that they are just pulling our leg. No, I am indeed convinced that you are batshit insane. ETA: BTW quoting a wikipedia article as a cite? Meh. Quoting a wikipedia article on Jewish stuff penned by user “telaviv1”? Convincing! ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/215 "2010-03-26T18:51:45Z")
Here’s a bit of history for you. After the anti-jewish Russian pogroms, jews who were already settled in Manchester advised against accepting jewish immigrants into the area, as they felt they would be a destabilising influence. How fucking right they were. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/216 "2010-03-26T18:52:01Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > See, yet again, when you are caught in a lie, why compound it? Why not just admit it gracefully? Especially when I can link to the relevant posts? Why do you do this to yourself? Seriously. Do you actually know what a lie is? This is what I wrote: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12231645&postcount=303](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12231645&postcount=303) > [@](#): > > n a country that had had the fuck bombed out of it, do you spend ages building new areas to house people or do you use what is there at the time? > > On behalf of all British people, I apologise for not managing to build a small town’s worth of two up-two downs for the Jewish refugees in a matter of weeks (if not days) in the middle of a war zone. I admit, that is a complete and utter disgrace. That was my last contribution to the discussion. This was because I received a warning that I disagreed with but knew that if I either continued in the thread or took up the case of the warning I would get into trouble. I even said this in one final post in the thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12237418&postcount=390](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12237418&postcount=390) > [@](#): > > I’m staying out of this now. I don’t agree at all with my warning but if I contest it I’ll only get into more trouble. I also know that as I got a warning for such a minor thing as I did, continuing in this thread would certainly result in another warning. So please, oh enlightened one, tell me where I have lied. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > I mean, it’s disgusting enough that you supported the British capturing Jews and imprisoning them for years after there was any reason to, and euphemistically called capturing Jews and putting them behind barbed wire and snipers to be “housing” them, but now you’re stupid enough to defend your behavior rather than just slink away? > When [it was pointed out to you](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12229876&postcount=226)that after WW II, the British had a policy of forcibly interning Jews in concentrate camps, against the Jews’ will, behind barbed wire and snipers, you rather stupidly defended that atrocity with idiocy about how, gee, _of course the British needed to imprison Jews in barbed wire enclosed concentration camps_ I mean, it wasn’t like there was an entire region whose inhabitants were actively inviting the Jews in, or anything. Nope, imprisonment in concentration camps for the lot of them! [there just wasn’t a lot of usable real estate in Europe!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12231645&postcount=303) > You actually had the nerve to call imprisoning victims of the Holocaust, behind barbed wire and snipers, to be “housing them.” Seriously, anybody can check on the link to see that I’m not making that up. > > I then pointed out that, far from it being the only position open to the British, the Jews living in Palestine, on land that they owned and had bought from its rightful owners, offered safe haven to the refugees fleeing Germany and the survivors of the death-camps. And that, quite aside from the British simply ‘housing’ the Jews they captured in barbed wire and sniper-ringed concentration camps. they went as far as [to engage in piracy on the high seas](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12231821&postcount=304) in order to capture Jews and then put them in concentration camps behind barbed wire and snipers. (But it was okay! Those were holocaust survivors who were trying to escape to Israel, obviously the British were only right to seize the ship in international waters, murder a few of the crew by beating them to death, and then put the Holocaust survivors into a concentration camp. ) > > Again, after capturing a ship in international waters and murdering three people in order to take it over, [this](http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_ph.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005462&MediaId=2210) is where the British ‘housed’ their Jewish prisoners. And why? Because the British were arming (and some would go on to lead) the Arab powers, and were doing their best to disarm the Jews and prevent them from having a chance to defend themselves come the war of annihilation that the Arab powers launched. That the British had originally promised all of Israel and Transjordan as a Jewish Home, reneged on that promise, and then under Arab pressure issued the series of White Papers all but eliminating Jewish immigration to the region while allowing Arab populations to keep climbing. > > Again, in point of fact, Johnson was so disgusted with the British that he convinced them to engage in a joint fact-finding mission to see what should be done with the Jews who were imprisoned after the war. They ignored the reports findings. > > [ > > Again, this is the sort of shit you actually have the nerve to _support_, you piece of filth. > > [url=[Cyprus internment camps - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_British_camps_on_Cyprus)]]([http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005462](http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005462)) > > This is the kind of atrocity you are defending, because you are scum. > And you have the nerve to claim I’ve somehow perverted your argument… when you’re already a moral-pervert. > You’re also lying about your reason for not continuing your defense of the British policy of capturing Jews and sticking them in concentration camps.[As you clearly admitted, it was because you didn’t want to risk drawing another warning.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12237418&postcount=390) > > So, yes, you argued for the British being right in imprisoning Jews behind barbed wire and snipers, for years, instead of simply letting them immigrate to the Jews, on land that the Jews owned, when the Jews were inviting them in. And the British were doing that due to Arab pressure, while the British would go on to arm and consider activating mutual defense pacts with the Arab nations, and many British officers actually resigned their commissions so they could help lead the war of annihilation against the Jews. > Faced with all this, all you can do is complain and cringe about how your argument was filled, filled to the brim you say, with the milk of human kindness. > > So, to check on your lie, did you in fact argue that it was fine for the British to capture Jews (sometimes in international waters) and put them into concentration camps behind barbed wire, and did you in fact euphemistically refer to that policy of imprisonment as “housing” the Jews? Yes, yes you did. It’s funny, you support the British policy of the time period of capturing Jews and imprisoning them in concentration camps, and you claim that _my_ mind is diseased. Tell us, again, how the brave, valiant British had to imprison orphaned Holocaust surviving children and those who object have diseased minds. Tell us all about how the British had no choice but to imprison tens of thousands of Holocaust survivors, because, gee, then they’d have to ‘fend for themselves’ and immigrate to Israel where they’d be welcomed and have homes. Far better to imprison them in concentration camps. Tell us again how the British were doing that for the Jews’ own good. > Please do. _Yawn_ Of course the concentration camps had barbed wire. That’s how they (as in the Germans) built the fucking things. So now they were supposed to move them all, overnight en masse, to Israel were they? Maybe you have never dealt with the logistics of such things, so I have to explain it to you. These things take planning. They take time. It doesn’t happen _snaps fingers_ just like that. In the meantime they had to go _somewhere_. Do you have a better suggestion as to where they should have gone immediately? But anyway, I didn’t hang around for your patronising “explanations” as, as I pointed out in the thread and have had to point out here again, I left the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/217 "2010-03-26T19:29:45Z")
I already cited what you said, and what it was in response to. You can lie and claim that isn’t not the context, but you’re not very convincing, especially when you just reiterated your claims here that you just said you didn’t actually make. You supported the British policy of capturing and imprisoning Jews behind barbed wire in concentration camps. That your quibble is merely that you said you supported the British policy but didn’t list the specifics is cowardly, even for a moral-pervert such as yourself. Likewise, I already linked to your bowing out of the thread because you feared getting another warning (that you don’t understand why you earned a warning for your lie about me being part of an “Israel can do no wrong brigade” just shows that you really are a moron. Frankly I wish that such lies would get warnings all the time in GD, as I’m sick of trolling idiots like you being free to lie about me and flame me in GD threads, but ah well. Maybe that’ll happen one of these days and you’ll be forced to argue the facts rather than lying to flame me in GD. As for why you’re lying here, I thought I already pointed that out. You supported the British policy of capturing and interning Jews in concentration camps behind barbed wire, and now you’re pretending you didn’t. Your lie is the thinnest thing, as you’re pretty much saying that, yeah, you supported the policy as it war carried out but since you didn’t mention specifics, then you’ve got enough weasel room to wriggle. It’s like someone saying that they support the US prison system but it’s a damned calumny to claim that they support using bars on cells! > [@amanset](#): > > Of course the concentration camps had barbed wire. That’s how they (as in the Germans) built the fucking things. You filthy moral-pervert, your argument is that the British kept the Jews imprisoned behind barbed wire (and armed guards), _for years_ because, gee, the Germans had used barbed wire! We all know that wire cutters are made of Unobtanium, too, and the British had no choice but to post snipers to keep the Jews in (behind the barbed wire that’s impossible to remove for years). Likewise, your feigned stupidity isn’t convincing. The alternatives are not “imprison Jews or move them all en masse to Israel”. As pointed out to you already and you’re deliberately ignoring, the British were actively involved in capturing Jews who were making their own way, on their own power, and they were still captured by Britain and imprisoned. Rather dishonest of you to pretend that, gee, it was just that the British weren’t able to transport the Jews themselves, eh, you moral-pervert? Here’s a thought, idiot, the British could have taken down the barbed wire, not used snipers to keep the Jews in, and not captured Jews who tried to get into Israel and then imprisoned them behind barbed wire and armed guards, transporting them in trains with the windows barred and beating the shit out of them to get them to comply. Just a thought. Definite bonus point here though, you support capturing and imprisoning Jewish holocaust survivors behind barbed wire and armed guards, just after you claimed that it was a lie that you’d done any such thing. You are a piece of work. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/218 "2010-03-26T20:13:17Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I already cited what you said, and what it was in response to. You can lie and claim that isn’t not the context, What you wrote: Sometimes, they were literally putting them back into concentration camps. The British were rather notorious for using Bergen Belsen itself to re-imprison Jewish refugees. Seriously. It was not unique that former concentration camps were used as displaced persons camps, sometimes with the survivors of the first camps imprisoned in the ‘new’ camps. Seriously. I don’t use the word ‘imprisoned’ lightly, many of the DP camps kept their inmates in via measures like armed guards and barbed wire. Seriously. This includes the British camp of Bergen Belsen. My response: In a country that had had the fuck bombed out of it, do you spend ages building new areas to house people or do you use what is there at the time? On behalf of all British people, I apologise for not managing to build a small town’s worth of two up-two downs for the Jewish refugees in a matter of weeks (if not days) in the middle of a war zone. I admit, that is a complete and utter disgrace. Again. Tell me where I am lying. Tell me exactly. Point it out. Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > but you’re not very convincing, especially when you just reiterated your claims here that you just said you didn’t actually make. Tell me exactly what claims I have made. Then point out where I claimed I didn’t make them Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You supported the British policy of capturing and imprisoning Jews behind barbed wire in concentration camps. That your quibble is merely that you said you supported the British policy but didn’t list the specifics is cowardly, even for a moral-pervert such as yourself. Likewise, I already linked to your bowing out of the thread because you feared getting another warning (that you don’t understand why you earned a warning for your lie about me being part of an “Israel can do no wrong brigade” just shows that you really are a moron. As you have been asked before, please tell us anything, ANYTHING, that you disagree with Israeli policy on. You have a history on this site of defending absolutely anything the Israeli authorities or military does, no matter how grotesque. You may not like it but you are a fully signed up member of the “Israel can do no wrong brigade”. For the record, that warning was my first ever since I signed up in 1999. First in over a decade. What specifics did I miss out? I support the policy of putting previously locked-up in concentration camps Jews in temporary housing - which includes said camps - until something can be done with them. Similar things go on today, with camps in countries where they process asylum seekers. All that is controversial is that it was the camps they had been kept in under the Nazi regime. That is unfortunate but as I said, there was no realistic chance of finding any other housing. Additionally, the fact that there were camps wasn’t the fucking problem under the Nazis. It was what the Nazis did to the people in those camps. The mistreatment, murder, experimentation and whatnot. Are you going to start claiming the British did that too? Frankly I wouldn’t put it past you. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Frankly I wish that such lies would get warnings all the time in GD Again, tell me where I have lied. It has now become “lies in GD”, so point me to the exact post in GD where I lied. Point out why it was a lie. Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > , as I’m sick of trolling idiots like you being free to lie about me and flame me in GD threads, but ah well. Maybe that’ll happen one of these days and you’ll be forced to argue the facts rather than lying to flame me in GD. As for why you’re lying here, I thought I already pointed that out. You supported the British policy of capturing and interning Jews in concentration camps behind barbed wire, and now you’re pretending you didn’t. I have made no comment whatsoever on the capturing of Jews. I have commented on finding housing for them whilst it is decided what to do with them. Saying otherwise is itself a lie from you. Please stop it or … guess what … shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > I already cited what you said, and what it was in response to. You can lie and claim that isn’t not the context, What you wrote: Sometimes, they were literally putting them back into concentration camps. The British were rather notorious for using Bergen Belsen itself to re-imprison Jewish refugees. Seriously. It was not unique that former concentration camps were used as displaced persons camps, sometimes with the survivors of the first camps imprisoned in the ‘new’ camps. Seriously. I don’t use the word ‘imprisoned’ lightly, many of the DP camps kept their inmates in via measures like armed guards and barbed wire. Seriously. This includes the British camp of Bergen Belsen. My response: In a country that had had the fuck bombed out of it, do you spend ages building new areas to house people or do you use what is there at the time? On behalf of all British people, I apologise for not managing to build a small town’s worth of two up-two downs for the Jewish refugees in a matter of weeks (if not days) in the middle of a war zone. I admit, that is a complete and utter disgrace. Again. Tell me where I am lying. Tell me exactly. Point it out. Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > but you’re not very convincing, especially when you just reiterated your claims here that you just said you didn’t actually make. Tell me exactly what claims I have made. Then point out where I claimed I didn’t make them Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You supported the British policy of capturing and imprisoning Jews behind barbed wire in concentration camps. That your quibble is merely that you said you supported the British policy but didn’t list the specifics is cowardly, even for a moral-pervert such as yourself. Likewise, I already linked to your bowing out of the thread because you feared getting another warning (that you don’t understand why you earned a warning for your lie about me being part of an “Israel can do no wrong brigade” just shows that you really are a moron. As you have been asked before, please tell us anything, ANYTHING, that you disagree with Israeli policy on. You have a history on this site of defending absolutely anything the Israeli authorities or military does, no matter how grotesque. You may not like it but you are a fully signed up member of the “Israel can do no wrong brigade”. For the record, that warning was my first ever since I signed up in 1999. First in over a decade. What specifics did I miss out? I support the policy of putting previously locked-up in concentration camps Jews in temporary housing - which includes said camps - until something can be done with them. Similar things go on today, with camps in countries where they process asylum seekers. All that is controversial is that it was the camps they had been kept in under the Nazi regime. That is unfortunate but as I said, there was no realistic chance of finding any other housing. Additionally, the fact that there were camps wasn’t the fucking problem under the Nazis. It was what the Nazis did to the people in those camps. The mistreatment, murder, experimentation and whatnot. Are you going to start claiming the British did that too? Frankly I wouldn’t put it past you. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Frankly I wish that such lies would get warnings all the time in GD Again, tell me where I have lied. It has now become “lies in GD”, so point me to the exact post in GD where I lied. Point out why it was a lie. Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Your lie is the thinnest thing, as you’re pretty much saying that, yeah, you supported the policy as it war carried out but since you didn’t mention specifics, then you’ve got enough weasel room to wriggle. It’s like someone saying that they support the US prison system but it’s a damned calumny to claim that they support using bars on cells! I made a single comment and then left it. I’ve expanded it upon it here as clearly you are too thick to understand it (or what a lie actually is). > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You filthy moral-pervert, your argument is that the British kept the Jews imprisoned behind barbed wire (and armed guards), _for years_ because, gee, the Germans had used barbed wire! We all know that wire cutters are made of Unobtanium, too, and the British had no choice but to post snipers to keep the Jews in (behind the barbed wire that’s impossible to remove for years). > > Likewise, your feigned stupidity isn’t convincing. The alternatives are not “imprison Jews or move them all en masse to Israel”. As pointed out to you already and you’re deliberately ignoring, the British were actively involved in capturing Jews who were making their own way, on their own power, and they were still captured by Britain and imprisoned. Rather dishonest of you to pretend that, gee, it was just that the British weren’t able to transport the Jews themselves, eh, you moral-pervert? Here’s a thought, idiot, the British could have taken down the barbed wire, not used snipers to keep the Jews in, and not captured Jews who tried to get into Israel and then imprisoned them behind barbed wire and armed guards, transporting them in trains with the windows barred and beating the shit out of them to get them to comply. > > Just a thought. > > Definite bonus point here though, you support capturing and imprisoning Jewish holocaust survivors behind barbed wire and armed guards, just after you claimed that it was a lie that you’d done any such thing. You are a piece of work. You see, two can play at this game. Reading what you have written anyone would get the impression that the Jews were kept in the very places they had been kept as prisoners. According to a bit of research on the web (including Wikipedia, they very mention of which will probably make you call me a liar, an idiot or both) they were kept in the barracks previously used by German Panzar divisions. The camp including such evil things as a hospital and schools. There was even a religious school, showing that attempts were not made to stop the Jewish faith. There was even a newspaper. In other words, this was nothing like the old Bergen-Belsen prison camp, no matter how much your own prejudices wish it was. As I have said before, the camp was equivalent to modern camps for Asylum seekers and/or illegal immigrants. I await your anger in a thread here where you come out against the armed guards and measures to prevent escape and entry in those as well. I’ve asked it before and I’ll ask it again: Exactly what were the British supposed to do with the 60,000 prisoners they found in the camp when they liberated it? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/219 "2010-03-26T20:23:41Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I already cited what you said, and what it was in response to. You can lie and claim that isn’t not the context, What you wrote: Sometimes, they were literally putting them back into concentration camps. The British were rather notorious for using Bergen Belsen itself to re-imprison Jewish refugees. Seriously. It was not unique that former concentration camps were used as displaced persons camps, sometimes with the survivors of the first camps imprisoned in the ‘new’ camps. Seriously. I don’t use the word ‘imprisoned’ lightly, many of the DP camps kept their inmates in via measures like armed guards and barbed wire. Seriously. This includes the British camp of Bergen Belsen. My response: In a country that had had the fuck bombed out of it, do you spend ages building new areas to house people or do you use what is there at the time? On behalf of all British people, I apologise for not managing to build a small town’s worth of two up-two downs for the Jewish refugees in a matter of weeks (if not days) in the middle of a war zone. I admit, that is a complete and utter disgrace. Again. Tell me where I am lying. Tell me exactly. Point it out. Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > but you’re not very convincing, especially when you just reiterated your claims here that you just said you didn’t actually make. Tell me exactly what claims I have made. Then point out where I claimed I didn’t make them Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You supported the British policy of capturing and imprisoning Jews behind barbed wire in concentration camps. That your quibble is merely that you said you supported the British policy but didn’t list the specifics is cowardly, even for a moral-pervert such as yourself. Likewise, I already linked to your bowing out of the thread because you feared getting another warning (that you don’t understand why you earned a warning for your lie about me being part of an “Israel can do no wrong brigade” just shows that you really are a moron. As you have been asked before, please tell us anything, ANYTHING, that you disagree with Israeli policy on. You have a history on this site of defending absolutely anything the Israeli authorities or military does, no matter how grotesque. You may not like it but you are a fully signed up member of the “Israel can do no wrong brigade”. For the record, that warning was my first ever since I signed up in 1999. First in over a decade. What specifics did I miss out? I support the policy of putting previously locked-up in concentration camps Jews in temporary housing - which includes said camps - until something can be done with them. Similar things go on today, with camps in countries where they process asylum seekers. All that is controversial is that it was the camps they had been kept in under the Nazi regime. That is unfortunate but as I said, there was no realistic chance of finding any other housing. Additionally, the fact that there were camps wasn’t the fucking problem under the Nazis. It was what the Nazis did to the people in those camps. The mistreatment, murder, experimentation and whatnot. Are you going to start claiming the British did that too? Frankly I wouldn’t put it past you. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Frankly I wish that such lies would get warnings all the time in GD Again, tell me where I have lied. It has now become “lies in GD”, so point me to the exact post in GD where I lied. Point out why it was a lie. Or shut the fuck up. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Your lie is the thinnest thing, as you’re pretty much saying that, yeah, you supported the policy as it war carried out but since you didn’t mention specifics, then you’ve got enough weasel room to wriggle. It’s like someone saying that they support the US prison system but it’s a damned calumny to claim that they support using bars on cells! I made a single comment and then left it. I’ve expanded it upon it here as clearly you are too thick to understand it (or what a lie actually is). > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You filthy moral-pervert, your argument is that the British kept the Jews imprisoned behind barbed wire (and armed guards), _for years_ because, gee, the Germans had used barbed wire! We all know that wire cutters are made of Unobtanium, too, and the British had no choice but to post snipers to keep the Jews in (behind the barbed wire that’s impossible to remove for years). > > Likewise, your feigned stupidity isn’t convincing. The alternatives are not “imprison Jews or move them all en masse to Israel”. As pointed out to you already and you’re deliberately ignoring, the British were actively involved in capturing Jews who were making their own way, on their own power, and they were still captured by Britain and imprisoned. Rather dishonest of you to pretend that, gee, it was just that the British weren’t able to transport the Jews themselves, eh, you moral-pervert? Here’s a thought, idiot, the British could have taken down the barbed wire, not used snipers to keep the Jews in, and not captured Jews who tried to get into Israel and then imprisoned them behind barbed wire and armed guards, transporting them in trains with the windows barred and beating the shit out of them to get them to comply. > > Just a thought. > > Definite bonus point here though, you support capturing and imprisoning Jewish holocaust survivors behind barbed wire and armed guards, just after you claimed that it was a lie that you’d done any such thing. You are a piece of work. You see, two can play at this game. Reading what you have written anyone would get the impression that the Jews were kept in the very places they had been kept as prisoners. According to a bit of research on the web (including Wikipedia, they very mention of which will probably make you call me a liar, an idiot or both) they were kept in the barracks previously used by German Panzar divisions. The camp including such evil things as a hospital and schools. There was even a religious school, showing that attempts were not made to stop the Jewish faith. There was even a newspaper. In other words, this was nothing like the old Bergen-Belsen prison camp, no matter how much your own prejudices wish it was. As I have said before, the camp was equivalent to modern camps for Asylum seekers and/or illegal immigrants. I await your anger in a thread here where you come out against the armed guards and measures to prevent escape and entry in those as well. I’ve asked it before and I’ll ask it again: Exactly what were the British supposed to do with the 60,000 prisoners they found in the camp when they liberated it? One final addition, as I have come back to edit this as for some reason parts got repeated in some kind of bizarre copy+paste accident: You’ll probably hate this but frankly I don’t care. Every single person that was ever in those camps after the war should be thanking the British for every single thing they did. The United Kingdom was bankrupt after WW2. They could very easily have left those Jews to fend for themselves. Sick, malnourished and in a war zone in a country that wanted them dead. But instead they cared for them, nursed them back to health and protected them. You’d think they’d be fucking thankful. To be honest, I bet they are. The problem is revisionist idiots like yourself. You are no different from the multitudes of Americans that have claimed that the US won WW2 as if no-one else took part. You’re a fucking jingoistic, revisionist fool with the intelligence and historical knowhow of a diseased foreskin. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/220 "2010-03-26T20:24:43Z")
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