# Finn Again's Wake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923 "2010-03-18T19:10:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/61 "2010-03-19T10:15:10Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > Huh, I thought this was a pitting of the new re-edited edition of _Finnegan’s Wake_. I thought it had something to do with Finnegan’s Wake. I need a beer. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/62 "2010-03-19T13:46:34Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Hrm. I was going to point out that **FinnAgain** would likely respond by calling people liars. Stupid, stupid, liars. In fact, they lie so much they must be stupid. Stupid liars. > > But alas, he’s beaten me to it. Three times so far. > > **FinnAgain** , you go girl. Make sure you also throw in an offhand comment about how whoever it was that doesn’t blindly adhere to your stance on the middle east must be a redneck, Jew-hatin’ son of a bitch. Bonus points for also including a blurb about how your debate skills are _teh awesome!_ I pity them, those stupid lying stupid stupids. Who lie. I was going to complain that I keep getting you and **ivan astikov** confused and petition one of you to change your handle, but I guess this is one of those topics where it doesn’t really matter. ---
**Author:** ![kombatminipig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5ac83/32.png) [@kombatminipig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kombatminipig)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/63 "2010-03-19T14:23:55Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > True, you’re not a unicorn - just a smarmy little horse’s ass. Me? I’m a jewnicorn! ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/64 "2010-03-19T14:26:02Z")
> [@kombatminipig](#): > > Me? I’m a jewnicorn! _snicker_ ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/65 "2010-03-19T14:32:20Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > Huh, I thought this was a pitting of the new re-edited edition of _Finnegan’s Wake_. Good God, I had no idea this existed. WANT. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/66 "2010-03-19T15:08:53Z")
Sorry, **ivan** , you _are_ a racist. That said, I’m rooting for **manila** just because he does righteous indignation awfully well. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/67 "2010-03-19T15:11:05Z")
I think it’s cute how ivn never got over his crush on the late and unlamented SmashtheState and his Smashy’s cruel treatment at my hands. We truly didn’t recognize Smashy’s alternative genius, why, we scoffed at his sciency goodness when he tried to protect us from the lethality of nutrasweet! The diet coke induced death toll could have been prevented, if only we’d listened! Enraged that his beautiful, delusional, post-post-post-modern anarchobullshitist was removed from our presence, ivn has taken to mentioning me in threads I haven’t even posted in, bemoaning how I point out that people who lie are liars and people who are stupid are, well, stupid. Ivn’s crusade against stylistic rigidity is commendable. > [@wmfellows](#): > > The fine “anyone who disagrees with me is an ignorant lair, so let me proceed to willfully distort their posts” does not charm? Now, I’m not sure if you’re a lair or not, you’d have to check to see if you have a dragon in your overcoat, but you are of course lying when you claim that I’ve said that anybody who disagrees with me is an ignorant liar. I find it interesting that so many of you folks lie about me, and then preemptively hop up on the cross and bemoan the fact that I point out when people are lying. As a wretched, dishonest scumfuck tactic, it at least shows predictability. “wmfellows has often talked about his uncontrollable lust for little children and the number of toddlers he’s dragged off into his van, and he calls people liars! I bet that low down snake is even going to call me a liar now!” > [@wmfellows](#): > > What would be the point? In your nasty little fantasy world your mistakes don’t exist, and you simply ignore them when called on them. Or pretend that refutations were not in fact posted Whiny little bitch. If I was anywhere near as wrong as you claim, it would be a casually easy matter to debunk my points. Instead you cringe and whine. As for ignoring things or pretending that they don’t exist, folks are welcome to look through the thread and see my near exhaustive level of response to every bit of drivel and stupidity that came from your little crowd. Toodles. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That said, I’m rooting for **manila** just because he does righteous indignation awfully well. Pity, though, that his righteous indignation is based on a burning rage that anybody would dare disagree with him in a forum called Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/68 "2010-03-19T15:34:25Z")
How very predictable. Almost amusingly so. Once again, the disortion and name calling (assertion of “lying” about things subjective). So: > [@FinnAgain](#): > > … but you are of course lying **when you claim that I’ve said that anybody who disagrees with me is an ignorant liar**. I do like how this is a perfect illustration of your perpetual small-minded nastiness, and mendacity. And the fine way he loves to distort statements and spin them to make bombastic claims that interlocutors he disagrees with are “lying.” Regardless of the statement. It’s almost comedic. I of course I said **nothing at all** about what **you claim**. I made the observation - rather the judgement that this is an observable fact. Now one could quibble, doubtless there are some occasions when you’ve forgone that particular tactic, but I would say in ordinary English usage the judgement stands up well-enough. In particular as I am hardly the only one to see it. > [@](#): > > I find it interesting that so many of you folks lie about me, and then preemptively hop up on the cross and bemoan the fact that I point out when people are lying. As a wretched, dishonest scumfuck tactic, it at least shows predictability. I find it interesting rather that you see any and all _(for the record that is message board short hand for damned bloody frequent, but perhaps not literally 100% of the time, other reasonable caveats implied)_ disagreement with your perception of the world as lying, dishonest, mmmm and generally through a rather fun-house mirror. I can’t quite tell if this is due to some personality disorder or if you are doing it consciously and deliberately. > [@](#): > > “wmfellows has often talked about his uncontrollable lust for little children and the number of toddlers he’s dragged off into his van, and he calls people liars! I bet that low down snake is even going to call me a liar now!” I do believe this deserves official reflexion, you don’t seem to know any bounds of nastiness. > [@](#): > > Whiny little bitch. > If I was anywhere near as wrong as you claim, it would be a casually easy matter to debunk my points. Instead you cringe and whine. As for ignoring things or pretending that they don’t exist, folks are welcome to look through the thread and see my near exhaustive level of response to every bit of drivel and stupidity that came from your little crowd. I am leaning toward personality disorder however, given that it would hard to see this as a convincing response otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/69 "2010-03-19T15:35:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Sorry, **ivan** , you _are_ a racist. It goes hand-in-hand with being a 9/11 Treuxther. I don’t think I ever knew about all his anti-semitic remarks, but I’m about as surprised as I was when Clay Aiken admitted that he’s gay. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/70 "2010-03-19T15:38:16Z")
I didn’t know about them or that he was a Truther until now. In fact, I kind of liked him. However, based on his comments, he’s pretty clearly a Jew-hater, regardless of context. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/71 "2010-03-19T15:40:14Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Ooh, that was a bit low, even for the pit. > > Not the bit about being an unrepentant burglar, the bit about being a Jew. Cartman: Don’t call me fat, you fucking Jew! Mr. Garrison: Eric, did you just say the F-word? Cartman: Jew? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/72 "2010-03-19T15:53:37Z")
> [@wmfellows](#): > > Once again, the disortion You are a spineless little vermin, aintcha? You didn’t say anything ‘subjective’, you coward. You claimed that I argued that “anyone who disagrees with me is an ignorant lair” > [@wmfellows](#): > > I do like how this is a perfect illustration of your perpetual small-minded nastiness, and mendacity. And the fine way he loves to distort statements and spin them to make bombastic claims that interlocutors he disagrees with are “lying.” Regardless of the statement. It’s almost comedic. You state, right out, that I claim anybody who disagrees with me is an idiot or a liar, and then when I point out that’s bullshit, you climb up on the cross and babble about how very mendacious it is to point out what you just said. How stupid are you, exactly, that you’re going to pretend that something you posted about a dozen posts up has vanished? > [@wmfellows](#): > > I of course I said **nothing at all** about what **you claim**. You stupid fuck. Not only did you say it: > [@wmfellows](#): > > The fine “anyone who disagrees with me is an ignorant lair, so let me proceed to willfully distort their posts” does not charm? You just reiterated it: > [@wmfellows](#): > > I find it interesting rather that you see any and all _(for the record that is message board short hand for damned bloody frequent, but perhaps not literally 100% of the time, other reasonable caveats implied)_ disagreement with your perception of the world as lying, dishonest Liars have to have good memories. Idiot liars are out of luck, it seems. You’re pathetic. > [@wmfellows](#): > > I made the observation - rather the judgement that this is an observable fact. You make weasels look stable. You didn’t state that’s what I claim, you just made the judgment that that’s what I claim and that it’s an observable fact, even though calling it a ‘fact’ is a lie because you’re making it up. But, it’s subjective! Even though it’s a claim about objective reality. And all that just shows how dedicated I am to twisting your honest, accurate words. Idiot. > [@wmfellows](#): > > I find it interesting rather that you see any and all _(for the record that is message board short hand for damned bloody frequent, but perhaps not literally 100% of the time, other reasonable caveats implied)_ disagreement with your perception of the world as lying, dishonest Are you going to claim that this, too, isn’t a claim you’re making? Because it, too, is a lie. Dance more little monkey, claim that this isn’t really a claim you’re making about how I see things, so it can’t be a lie. And you just, generally, are a pedophile. Not that I’m making any factual claims. No. It’s just a judgement about the observable fact of your rampant pedophilia. Just a subjective opinion mind you, accusing you of being a raging pedophile. Just voicing some subjective opinions over here. And don’t contradict it, or that’ll be mendacious and show no end to your nastiness, you pedophile. I mean, subjectively objective all of the time in message board speak, pedophile. Grow a spine, wretch. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/73 "2010-03-19T16:11:03Z")
I feat that the prospect for **Finn’s** nomination as Miss Congeniality grow dim. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/74 "2010-03-19T16:14:46Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You are a spineless little vermin, aintcha? Relative to what? Your big manly internet ranting and frothing? Quite the screen braveness that. Bloody impressive, your ability to pound it out. Why that’s just the image of … courage. Heh. Well, I suppose if that counts as ‘courage’ than I do in fact cop to rationality, and apparently that means cowardice. Shrug. > [@](#): > > You didn’t say anything ‘subjective’, you coward. You claimed that I argued that “anyone who disagrees with me is an ignorant lair” No mate, I said that is your observable modus operandi. Your inability to read coherently is not my problem. > [@](#): > > You state, right out, that I claim anybody who disagrees with me is an idiot or a liar, and then when I point out that’s bullshit, you climb up on the cross and babble about how very mendacious it is to point out what you just said. How stupid are you, exactly, that you’re going to pretend that something you posted about a dozen posts up has vanished? I do believe you are mentally ill. I dare say I know what I wrote and I think it has the very clear meaning that I attached to it. The quote you give is fine. And the meaning I give it seems pretty bloody straightforward, unlike your strange paranoid frothing. I’m going to leave the rest of your mentally unstable frothing alone. > [@](#): > > Grow a spine, wretch. I’ve got quite a fine spine thanks, and I daresay rather more emotional and mental stability given your performance above. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/75 "2010-03-19T16:20:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I feat that the prospect for **Finn’s** nomination as Miss Congeniality grow dim. Truth be told, I like **Finn**. Somewhat less so when he’s around. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/76 "2010-03-19T16:27:10Z")
> [@wmfellows](#): > > No mate, I said that is your observable modus operandi. Your inability to read coherently is not my problem. You really are one of the dumbest liars I have ever seen. You didn’t say it’s what I do, just that it’s what I do. What the fuck do you think someone’s MO is anyways, or are you just using words you don’t know now because they sound cool? This, of course, is just another object lesson that illustrates your scumfuckery and general tactics. You lie about me, I point it out, you claim that I’m somehow ‘distorting’ what you just said by pointing out what you just said. > [@wmfellows](#): > > I’ve got quite a fine spine thanks Obviously you do not, as you’re reduced to lying about what I do/say/argue/whatever, then claiming I’m distorting you when I quote your own words, then you say the same thing again (perhaps slightly rephrased), then you wail and moan and cry about how I’ve so cruelly distorted what you said… and then you say it again. Seriously, stop lying, and grow a spine. If you want to lie and claim that I always/generally/usually say that anybody who has a different political opinion than I do is a liar, then say it. Don’t say it, pretend you didn’t say it, say it again, and then pretend I’m a big ol meanie for repeating what you just said. Spines are fun. Try one out. You might even like having the courage to stand by your own statements. Of course, if you stood by the statements rather than prevaricating and pretending you didn’t say it, you’d be shown to be making shit up. It does take a certain kind of person to lie, and admit that they’re lying but that they don’t care because they’re trying to piss someone off. Evidently you’re just at the stage where you can lie in order to try to piss me off, but you can’t bring yourself to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/77 "2010-03-19T16:38:02Z")
> [@kombatminipig](#): > > Me? I’m a jewnicorn! What, someone cut off the tip of your horn? ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/78 "2010-03-19T16:40:15Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You really are one of the dumbest liars I have ever seen. As you see liars everywhere, I shall take that as a great compliment. However, of course, in ordinary English, liar does not mean simply anyone who has a disagreement with you. Now in paranoid ranter English it seems to have more elastic meanings. > [@](#): > > You didn’t say it’s what I do, just that it’s what I do. What the fuck do you think someone’s MO is anyways, or are you just using words you don’t know now because they sound cool? Your ranting here is hard to follow, but just to clarify, you wrote originally “ **you claim that I’ve said that anybody who disagrees with me is an ignorant liar** ” - this to people who speak normal English means that I claimed that you made the claim. Now that is rather different than saying this is a habit and tactic of yours in arguments - that you do in fact call people liars on that observable basis, even if the explicit claim is not made. It does appear you are unable to distinguish the meanings, perhaps some form of Roid Rage, but I should think the distinction is quite clear really. Perhaps too involved for someone of your specific mental facilities. > [@](#): > > You lie about me, I point it out, you claim that I’m somehow ‘distorting’ what you just said by pointing out what you just said. You may just burst a blood vessel, take care there. Of course I pointed out how you distorted the meaning of what I wrote. And I just did it again. Now, this disagreement does not make either of us ipso facto liars. I may simply be entirely incorrect, that there is some evidence of a subject matter dear to your heart where those who disagreed with you were not willy nilly labelled as liars and ignoramuses. Or in the alternative, you may simply lack that basic self-awareness to realise you have this rather sad character flaw, and your paranoid tendencies lead you to naturally and innocently to the most tendentious misreadings of people possible. Or in another alternative, you enjoy raging on and in fact are actively mendacious. Any number of possibilities really. But it seems to be clear observable reality that virtually any serious disagreement about anything you much care about sends you off down the pass of accusing interlocutors of lying, etc. and generally delving into all kinds of personal nastiness (see supra). It’s really rather sad. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/79 "2010-03-19T20:30:10Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Wow, did Mossad help you put that profile of me together? > > I give less than a shit about your opinion of me as it is based on the same selective reading that drives your Israeli opinion. You’re human garbage. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.crap/32/3131_2.png) [@Dr.Crap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Crap)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/80 "2010-03-19T21:03:07Z")
> [@kombatminipig](#): > > Me? I’m a jewnicorn! [Prank Time!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMBCGUHEgH4) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923.md?page=5)