# Finn Again's Wake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923 "2010-03-18T19:10:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/81 "2010-03-19T21:51:24Z")
> [@Pazu](#): > > What, someone cut off the tip of your horn? Awesome. Anyway: > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You really are one of the dumbest liars you dumb, lying > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You lie liar > [@FinnAgain](#): > > you’re reduced to lying uh, fibbing > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Seriously, stop lying, prevaricating > [@FinnAgain](#): > > If you want to lie > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Of course, if you stood by the statements rather than prevaricating and pretending you didn’t say it, you’d be shown to be making shit up. liar twofer > [@FinnAgain](#): > > It does take a certain kind of person to lie, and admit that they’re lying but that they don’t care because they’re trying to piss someone off. Evidently you’re just at the stage where you can lie in order to try to piss me off, but you can’t bring yourself to admit it. liar threefer > [@FinnAgain](#): > > “anyone who disagrees with me is an ignorant lair” too easy; no one has yet called you the evil mastermind’s home base > [@FinnAgain](#): > > How stupid are you, exactly, that you’re going to pretend that something you posted about a dozen posts up has vanished? Dumb, lying > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You stupid fuck. theme of the day > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Liars have to have good memories. > Idiot liars are out of luck, it seems. two for the price of one! > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You’re pathetic. Well, it’s a departure, at least. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > calling it a ‘fact’ is a lie because you’re making it up. aaaaaannnnndddd… we’re back with stupid liar > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Idiot. Seriously? > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Are you going to claim that this, too, isn’t a claim you’re making? > Because it, too, is a lie. U lie! > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Dance more little monkey, claim that this isn’t really a claim you’re making about how I see things, so it can’t be a lie. You still lie, he just said it a different way. With monkeys. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > And you just, generally, are a pedophile. **Finnagain** keeps it classy. (Irony: he’s actually lying here, to prove a point that the other guy is lying.) > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Not that I’m making any factual claims. No surprise here. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > ivn has taken to mentioning me in threads I haven’t even posted in, bemoaning how I point out that people who lie are liars and people who are stupid are, well, stupid. Ivn’s crusade against stylistic rigidity is commendable. Sorry, is this thread not, actually, _all about you being a pompous douche?_ > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Now, I’m not sure if you’re a lair or not, you’d have to check to see if you have a dragon in your overcoat, but you are of course lying You lying lair, you. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > I find it interesting that so many of you folks lie about me People think he’s insane because he is frowning all the time. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > then preemptively hop up on the cross and bemoan the fact that I point out when people are lying. As a wretched, dishonest scumfuck tactic, it at least shows predictability. Speaking of predictability… > [@FinnAgain](#): > > folks are welcome to look through the thread and see my near exhaustive level of response to every bit of drivel and stupidity that came from your little crowd. Because everyone knows, tl;dr quotefests (like this one) are the definitive response, especially when they are about stupid lying people who don’t tell the truth because they are stupid. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Toodles. Please tell me you mean you’re leaving the board forever! > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Pity, though, that his righteous indignation is based on a burning rage that anybody would dare disagree with him in a forum called Great Debates. FFFFFFfffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/82 "2010-03-19T22:39:17Z")
Why don’t you follow Smashy, find a nice quiet board where you can continue to lick his boots and rage against ‘scientific materialism’ and the dangers of nutrasweet? Then you won’t even need to rage impotently about how horrible it is to point out when people are lying. Or you could, perhaps, pretend to have a scrap of integrity (unlike wmfellows) and notice that wm is, in fact, lying and not be a little bitch about my simply pointing it out. Either/or, but I’m sure you can find some big dumb Anarchist Hero somewhere whose boots need a good tonguebath. Run along like a good little yipping puppy now. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/83 "2010-03-19T22:43:30Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Then you won’t even need to rage impotently about how horrible it is to point out when people are lying. Or you could, perhaps, pretend to have a scrap of integrity (unlike wmfellows) and notice that wm is, in fact, lying You’re a goddamn lying liar, you stupid liar. And, since I forgot to mention it, what you call “stylistic rigidity” is, in fact, what everyone else calls “poor writing skills demonstrating a profoundly dull and boorish personality”. And quit your stupid lying. Everyone knows _you_ are the one who is lying. Because you’re a liar. A stupid liar. Dummy. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/84 "2010-03-19T23:00:13Z")
And BTW, **FinnAgain** : Just so you know, I don’t even give a shit if you’re right or not. You’re a lame-ass blowhard flabwobbler who takes the internet far too personally, because this is likely the only place in your life where people can overlook your social awkwardness and anger issues in order to give you the attention and respect you so obviously crave but do not receive in your day-to-day real world life. If you think I am going to take time out of my busy schedule of masturbation, video games, drinking, and TV in order to research your claims and determine that you are, in fact, correct, you are sadly mistaken. I take offense at your utter lack of interesting qualities and your Limbaugh-like smugness, when in fact is it easily demonstrated that literally, all you have is calling people stupid liars. This is the point I am addressing, because you have not yet demonstrated to my satisfaction that you are the sort of person whose opinion, on anything at all, is something I should take seriously. You are a shrill klaxon of droning repetition, a howling harridan who would not be out of place at the bus station with the other homeless crazies who shout at the urinal for being in league with the knights templar. You are the small town high school football player telling the world why you believe in the GOP. Nothing you have ever done or said has given me the slightest inclination to think of you as Someone Who Should Be Listened To – you’re neither entertaining nor insightful. I am sure you’ll respond to this with yet another chain-quote post detailing why I am a lying stupid liar and an anarchist, which illustrates the problem. You can’t talk your way out of being a bore, or argue your way out of being a pompous prick. You are, unfortunately, both, and the only way you’ll overcome that hurdle, either on the internet or in real life, is to get the fuck over yourself and quit staking your ego on meaningless internet bickering with people who don’t know you from Ted P. Wilkerson of Sandusky, Ohio. And also, read some Oscar Wilde or something. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/85 "2010-03-19T23:08:54Z")
Actually, just to point out that you’re being stupid again (oooh, now fly into a rage because I’m describing stupidity as stupidity!), what you’re raging about is, in fact, using accurate words to describe events. Malicious lying like wm is doing is lying. Stupidity like you’re displaying by objecting to accurate descriptors and pretending that using the right word for something is a character defect is stupid. I’m sorry I don’t use a thesaurus to describe the various forms of lack of intellect and lack of honesty, but creatures like you really aren’t worth the effort. Now run along like a good puppy. Someone, somewhere, is using NutraSweet or scientific materialism. Quick, save them, brave internet commando. Go find another Anarchist Idiot and lick his boots nice and clean. Go for it good buddy. Your opinions are _important!_ ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/86 "2010-03-19T23:12:50Z")
I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/87 "2010-03-19T23:33:36Z")
I’d say you’re trolling, but it really does seem just that you’re very stupid and take yourself very, very seriously and are busily projecting for all you’re worth. I guess I can at least know that you’re not so much malicious as very stupid and very pugnacious with an overblown sense of how much your opinion is worth, never a good combination. In any case, I hope you’re not full of shit and you really are done obsessing about me and mentioning me in threads all over the Pit that I’m not even posting in. Remember, Smashy is somewhere, and he’s probably lonely in his fight against Big Science. And his boots still need a good licking. Go find you master and some merssage board that you don’t constantly whine about. Go puppywuppy, go. Good puppy, good! ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/88 "2010-03-19T23:54:13Z")
All this talk of trolls gets me thinking that Finn is an ancient Nordic name, which in Viking and medieval stories often was what the troll was called. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/89 "2010-03-19T23:56:37Z")
I’ll give it to you straight, one time. Your actual opinions in regard to how to move towards peace in the ME, if you can be pinned to expressing them, are not that outrageous. We both favor Israel with our sympathy, you rather more than I. (The nominations for Understatement of the Year still open?) But you express yourself with such belligerance and venemous hostility that you overwhelm any reasonable point you make. My prejudice is common, I tend to think that someone who feels compelled to hop up and down and holler like Yosemite Sam is probably wrong. Experience has proved that reliable. Now, its your rubber ducky, so you do what you like. But, damn, man, what good is a talent for pissing people off? In ten years on these boards, that is the first actual warning I ever got, in the St. Valentines Day Massacre, and I betcha I’m not unique in that regard. What is it about making people really, really mad that turns your crank? Now that’s straight, snark free, as I swear on the soul of Eugene V. Debs. Take it for what its worth. Or not. Whateverness. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/90 "2010-03-19T23:59:38Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Actually, just to point out that you’re being stupid again (oooh, now fly into a rage because I’m describing stupidity as stupidity!), what you’re raging about is, in fact, using accurate words to describe events. Malicious lying like wm is doing is lying. Stupidity like you’re displaying by objecting to accurate descriptors and pretending that using the right word for something is a character defect is stupid. > > I’m sorry I don’t use a thesaurus to describe the various forms of lack of intellect and lack of honesty, but creatures like you really aren’t worth the effort. > > Now run along like a good puppy. > Someone, somewhere, is using NutraSweet or scientific materialism. > Quick, save them, brave internet commando. Go find another Anarchist Idiot and lick his boots nice and clean. Go for it good buddy. Your opinions are _important!_ **No U** ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/91 "2010-03-20T00:08:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > But you express yourself with such belligerance and venemous hostility that you overwhelm any reasonable point you make. My prejudice is common, I tend to think that someone who feels compelled to hop up and down and holler like Yosemite Sam is probably wrong. Experience has proved that reliable. The thing is, though, you can only respond to lies so many times before you lose your patience. The Israel threads always go the same way. Somebody lies about Israel. **Finn** replies with facts. Somebody else repeats the same lies. **Finn** again replies with facts with less patience. Repeat ad nauseum. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/92 "2010-03-20T00:18:48Z")
Surely it is a trial to see such sweet innocence as his belabored by falsifying liars and their untrue wrongness. Perhaps we can take up a collection to have his communion dress cleaned and mended. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/93 "2010-03-20T00:30:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Surely it is a trial to see such sweet innocence as his belabored by falsifying liars and their untrue wrongness. Perhaps we can take up a collection to have his communion dress cleaned and mended. Sarcasm doesn’t become you. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/94 "2010-03-20T00:38:06Z")
Captain Amazing got most of it. After a certain amount of time, responding to the same errors from the same posters, sometimes in the same threads that they’d first made the same errors, gets frustrating. And it is the same general small group of people who predictably post anti-Israel positions just as I post factual refutations. Now, as I’ve said many times, if threads didn’t require such ruthless fact-checking, I’d love to talk about Where We Go From Here. But that’s tremendously difficult as well. Getting people to look at this situation on its own merits rather than with facile comparisons like “It’s just like South Africa!” (naturally, not Zimbabwe) are frustrating as well. You touch on something else without realizing it: > [@elucidator](#): > > Your actual opinions in regard to how to move towards peace in the ME, if you can be pinned Threads where I try to focus on the facts often end up with people accusing me of traitorous Dual Loyalty, or always supporting everything Israel does ever, or what have you. Why that shit is legal in GD is beyond me, but evidently personal insults are legal in the right circumstances. Nor do I have any desire to empower people who want to hijack a factual discussion and make it all about me. I am not obligated to lay out the whole of my ideas on how to solve the entire situation through initial to Final Status negotiations and lead to an equitable, viable two state solution if the issue is, say, the impact of a housing development in East Jerusalem on the current round of negotiations. Just like someone who argues that a specific study on global warming is accurate is not obliged to outline a 50 year plan on how all the nations of the world are obligated to deal with global warming depending on per capita energy expenditure and economic indexes or to list all the errors that any scientist has ever conducted, anywhere. That people try to make a thread about a topic about me, as a poster, is something I will not aid. Now, it’s also true that I very often have little patience for people who can’t be bothered to find out the facts _before_ they post or, once they post, can’t be bothered to retract their errors. But I confine myself to attacking their arguments. Now if that makes people angry, then so be it. You’re actually serving as an object lesson right now. Captain Amazing pointed out to you how frustrating it can be to try to argue facts with people who have no concern for accuracy, and you responded with snide snark. Try to look at this from my perspective. The facts matter, context matters, fighting ignorance is not just a slogan. Should I, then, assume that pissing people off by snarking in response to honest complaints is what ‘turns your crank’? Ivan thought it was funny to make a racist joke in the thread, Sevastopol argued for the murder of tens of thousands of men, women and children (without comment or condemnation from the anti-Israel crowd)… and I’m supposed to care that they find the tone of my factual refutations to be grating? I’ll go one further. I simply do not care if someone is offended by my factual or logical arguments. If they are unable or unwilling to rebut them (and as so many people claim I’m so very wrong, it should be child’s play to do so), then ah well. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/95 "2010-03-20T00:52:18Z")
Jesus Christ. Learn to fucking edit. Nobody wants to read all that TLDR bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/96 "2010-03-20T00:55:57Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > …That people try to make a thread about a topic about me, as a poster, is something I will not aid… You got me there, pard, nobody can doubt how much effort you put into not being the center of attention, and all. Yep, not much doubt about that one! Shrinking violet, that’s you. And persuasive? Why, that isn’t the word for it, you charm the birds from the trees! OK, they drop to the ground with a thump, but still… Just look how many posters flock to your side, eager to thump you on the shoulders in hearty solidarity! Why, your name is synonymous with reason, clarity, hearty good cheer and amiability! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/97 "2010-03-20T00:57:04Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Jesus Christ. > > Learn to fucking edit. Nobody wants to read all that TLDR bullshit. “I would have written you a shorter letter, but I didn’t have time.” - Mark Twain ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/98 "2010-03-20T01:16:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > But, damn, man, what good is a talent for pissing people off? In ten years on these boards, that is the first actual warning I ever got, in the St. Valentines Day Massacre It must be horrific for you to see your wisdom, eloquence and playful wit fail to convince someone who with good reason feels that he is rather more informed than you on a topic. I don’t wonder that you were seized with a sudden, uncharacteristic uncontrollable rage. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/99 "2010-03-20T01:31:18Z")
Just chiming in with FinnAgain support. Frankly I’ve long since give up hope of discussing the Middle East because the rational posters with legit concerns about Israel’s behavior have long since been drowned out by Jew-hating shitheads\* FinnAgain writes well and I appreciate the hell out him fighting the good fight, even if it’s kind of pointless here. \*Yes, yes “I don’t hate Jews. I just hate Israelis. Oh, and when I say “nigger” I just mean those guys from Africa, not black people.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923/100 "2010-03-20T01:31:33Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Jesus Christ. > > Learn to fucking edit. Nobody wants to read all that TLDR bullshit. I do apologize for forcing you at gunpoint to read this thread, and for explaining myself fully. I will stop forcing you to read this thread any further. Again, my apologies. > [@elucidator](#): > > You got me there, pard, nobody can doubt how much effort you put into not being the center of attention, and all. Yep, not much doubt about that one! Shrinking violet, that’s you. > > And persuasive? Why, that isn’t the word for it, you charm the birds from the trees! OK, they drop to the ground with a thump, but still… Just look how many posters flock to your side, eager to thump you on the shoulders in hearty solidarity! Why, your name is synonymous with reason, clarity, hearty good cheer and amiability! Cut the snarky idiocy Lucy, you know better. You know full well that posting on the facts and issues doesn’t make a thread about me personally, but those who want to discuss my character _do_ try to do that. And cut the bandwagon fallacy bullshit Lucy. You know better than that too. That the same dozen or so anti-Israel posters hold their opinions no matter what facts are advanced is hardly something I’m concerned about. And I just said that. Playing stupid does not suit you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finn-agains-wake/532923.md?page=6)