# FinnAgain is kind of a shitty person. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787 "2011-02-27T08:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/181 "2011-03-01T17:17:21Z")
No. Seriously, you are awful at trolling. You’re now reduced to trolling me about fictional dishonesty when you’re pretending that a single accusation about a single poster is a series of “accusations” and ignoring that you claimed that calling a single poster out for blatant racism is grounds for an accusation of trolling. Now, there are some interesting schmucks kicking around here who could use their stupidity being pointed out, but you’re just boring. Go away now. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/182 "2011-03-01T17:20:02Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > No. Seriously, you are awful at trolling. > You’re now reduced to trolling me about fictional dishonesty when you’re pretending that a single accusation about a single poster is a series of “accusations” and ignoring that you claimed that calling a single poster out for blatant racism is grounds for an accusation of trolling. > > Now, there are some interesting schmucks kicking around here who could use their stupidity being pointed out, but you’re just boring. > > Go away now. I didn’t accuse you of trolling liar. Are you ideologically opposed to honesty? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/183 "2011-03-01T17:48:40Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > trollish […] “bigot” or “racist” […] bigotry/racism […] “racist” […] racism […] trolling. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > trollng […] lie […] trolling […] trolling […] lie […] trolling. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > trolling. […] trolling […] fictional dishonesty […] racism […] trolling. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/184 "2011-03-01T18:05:25Z")
Rawhide! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/185 "2011-03-01T19:32:37Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > No. Seriously, you are awful at trolling. Well, actually, since you seem to be unable to restrain yourself from responding with ever-increasing vitriol to every single **Lobohan** post that mentions you, if he is trolling (and I’m not saying he is, just if), then I’d say he’s actually doing a pretty good job. Awful trolling would be if you just let it slide off and for once in your life didn’t reply with a redundant wall of text, hint hint. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/186 "2011-03-02T02:58:18Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Also \*\*Finn \*\*is a pretty nice guy Bulllshit, He’s an asshole. The fact that he gets pitted so many times should prove that (or at least that he’s not a nice guy). The worst part is that he (and other nimrods) think that he gets pitted because people are upset that he is so right all the time.:smack: > [@](#): > > but not one to debate with unless you have your facts lined up. Bullshit. You can have your facts lined up and it won’t matter to Finn. He will present likelihoods in favor of his argument into rock solid fact and damn near facts against his argument into conjecture. > [@](#): > > Being aggressive in defending his position is not rare in GD & the Pit. Once again the number of pittings argue against that perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/187 "2011-03-02T03:02:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > His ire does seem to rise vs. those that ignore his well researched cites. > > Somehow I am left confused as why this should be surprising. His well researched cites? You’re a sock puppet aren’t you? Half his cites come from a handful of rabidly pro-zionist cites or are links from those cites. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/188 "2011-03-02T03:06:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Oh, so you admit that you were hurling around accusations of anti-Semitism like counterspells from Magic the Gathering. Well, I’ll accept your apology now. 😃 Well he does it without actually saying anti-semite so he can later claim “I never called anyone an anti-semite, not me nope, never did it. Can’t quote me anywhere saying that word” But he will imply that there is some reason beyond the merits of your argument why you are criticizing Israel OR he will accuse you of having some sort of agenda. He reflects poorly on Zionism. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/189 "2011-03-02T03:11:30Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > MtG? What is this, 1995? > > Anyway, **FinnAgain** - > > Some words of advice. You’re a much better debater than I am in many ways, but I think there are a few things I can still teach you. For instance, if you want to avoid more threads like this, I think you should follow the old writing dictum: show, don’t tell. If you think someone’s stupid, don’t call them stupid - show us their stupidity. If you think someone’s lying, don’t call them a liar - show us their lies. If you think someone’s an anti-semite… just give them some rope. They’ll hang themselves eventually. > > And whatever you do, don’t act like they’ve got you ruffled. In fact, don’t act like you even care. They’re just people on the internet. Nothing that happens here really matters. Or even better educate, convince, enlighten. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/190 "2011-03-02T03:35:42Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But nonetheless, I apologize and retract that post. Well, thats one, only 9610 more to go. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/191 "2011-03-02T03:38:11Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I have to admit that I find this whining that Finn calls anyone who criticized Israel an anti-Semite quite odd. > > I’ve been quite critical of Israel and have yet to have him call me an anti-Semite or even insult me. It seems to me that the only people who wind up getting spanked by him are those who make extreme statements they can’t back up or reveal gross ignorance on the subject they are speaking about. > > For myself, I’ve found that few of Israel’s harshest critics in the West actually care about the Palestinians or their cause, but most attack Israel out of other motivations. And what would those “other motivations” be? I ask because this is very much the sentiment that Finn shares whenever I criticize Israel. I only assume that he is implying that I am an anti-semite, is there some other motivation I might have for attacking Israel over their treatment of the Palestinians? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/192 "2011-03-02T03:40:23Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > This post just shows how you operate and why people who pay attention and read what you wrote call you names that you so deserve. > > The claim was NOT: “Mossad had something to do with 9/11”. You cite me stating that and I will apologize and remove myself from SDMB. > > The claim was that “at least two of the guys on the van are/were working for Mossad”. He does this a lot. He takes a couple of your posts and interprets what you REALLY meant to say and puts those words in your mouth because he thnks they will feel comfortable there. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/193 "2011-03-02T04:00:17Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Well, that’s a rather fact-free post. > > Sorry, but in my experience the overwhelming number of Israel’s critics are embarrassingly ignorant of the conflict and with extremely rare exceptions are unable to answer such basic questions as “what is the greatest tragedy to befall the Palestinians since the Naqba?” even when you give massive hints such as it happening in the past 30 years or involving a word beginning with the letter “K”(a question any 12-year-old Palestinian could answer) then it’s obvious they don’t care about the Palestinians or their cause. > > You might as well argue that it’s possible to know a lot about the band Nirvanna but not know who Kurt Cobain is or be a huge fan of the NBA but not know who Kobe Bryant is. I don’t have to know the entire history of the American Indian to know that we treated them like shit in America; I didn’t know who Nelson Mandela was but I still knew that apartheid was wrong. We don’t need comprehensive and perfect information to know that the treatment of the Palestinians is bullshit when we see laws that prohibit the Palestinian spouse of an Israeli citizen from becoming an Israeli citizen, something every other spouse of an Israeli citizen may do. When the same law denies Israeli citizenship to the Israel born child of an Israeli citizen and a Palestinian and forces them out of the country when they get old enough, something that they don’t do to any other children of Israeli citizens (or even any other children born in Israel). You may have a superior grasp of the history but I don’t need perfect information to have a valid opinion. TO be fair, Finn has forced me to educate myself a bit on Israel because the warped prism through which he views the facts makes it impossible to have a discussion without learning some of this shit yourself. There was an episode where he used terms like Mulk, Miri and other terms used under the Ottomans to pretend that the only “real” property interest that counted was mulk so when you count up who owned how much mulk before 1947 the Jew/nonJew ratio look pretty good from a zionist apologist’s perspective. This is how he uses his superior knowledge. I have seen you argue both sides of the case. From Finn’s perspective, there is no other side of the story. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/194 "2011-03-02T04:11:36Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Dude, stop playing the victim. > > I’ve said extremely negative things about Israel and have yet to have him imply that I was some sort of anti-Semite. Maybe that’s because I have been calling him out for employing these tactics… You’re welcome. > [@](#): > > Maybe it’s the fact that you make extremely dumb comments regarding the conflict to the point where you classify Arafat and Saddam Hussein as Islamists You were whooshed. Reread the post where I say that. > [@](#): > > and when I mentioned the Arabists in the State Department you sarcastically asked about Henry Kissinger and Madeline Albright(probably because they were Jewish) That’s exactly why I sarcastically asked about those two. I thought you meant pro-Palestinian, sorry I’m not up on the lingo. > [@](#): > > which would have caused any true Arabist to piss themselves laughing since Henry Kissinger practically was an Arabist There does not appear to be consensus on this point > **[Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=was%2Bkissinger%2Ban%2Barabist%3F)** > **[JeffersonCorner.com is for sale | HugeDomains](https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=jeffersoncorner.com)** > > Get your very own domain easily. Fast and professional customer service. > [@](#): > > and the Arabists were, and generally still are, big fans of him and even bigger fans of Baker. and? > [@](#): > > Granted, your response made it pretty clear you had absolutely no idea what an Arabist was which shows just how superficial your understanding of the conflict is. And how does my inferior understanding make my criticisms of Israel any less valid? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/195 "2011-03-02T04:15:45Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I didn’t accuse you of trolling liar. Are you ideologically opposed to honesty? He’s not opposed to it, he simply has no allegiance to it. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/196 "2011-03-02T07:16:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And what would those “other motivations” be? > > I ask because this is very much the sentiment that Finn shares whenever I criticize Israel. I only assume that he is implying that I am an anti-semite, is there some other motivation I might have for attacking Israel over their treatment of the Palestinians? Well, I’m not speaking for Finn, I’m merely pointing out that most westerners who feel passionately against Israel are embarrassingly ignorant of the conflict and don’t actually care about the Palestinians or their cause. As to the “motivations” of people who regularly pontificate on the situation despite being grossly ignorant, well, there are lots of different ones. Here are a few off the top my head. Many are Jews who think that what Israel does reflects on them. Others are Europeans who have, for obvious reasons, dramatically different attitudes than Americans when it comes to colonialism. Others tend to see the Palestinians as “non-whites” and the Israelis as “whites”. Others simply do so because they tend to be knee-jerk leftists who view opposition to Israel as a leftist issue, while other Pat Buchanan style right-wingers have similar responses. Many just have really superficial impressions of the conflict and like to spout off about it because they think it makes them look “deep” or “cool” or “open-minded” or whatever comparable phrase the kids are using. And of course some people just really like to sock it to the Jews. > [@](#): > > Maybe that’s because I have been calling him out for employing these tactics… > > You’re welcome. So, you think he doesn’t go after me, because he’s worried about being bitch-slapped by you? Feel free to think that if you want, but honestly I don’t think anyone else does. > [@](#): > > I didn’t know who Nelson Mandela was but I still knew that apartheid was wrong. Thank you for illustrating my point. Anyone who doesn’t know who Nelson Mandela is knows nothing about Apartheid South Africa and has no business expressing strong opinions about it. > [@](#): > > You were whooshed. Reread the post where I say that. I’m not sure what you mean by claiming that I was “whooshed”. You made yourself look grossly ignorant about the Middle East by claiming that Saddam Hussein and Yassir Arafat were “radical Islamists”. That was a moronic statement and anyone who makes such a comment is either bigoted against Middle Eastern Muslims or grossly ignorant about the Middle East. In your case, I think the issue is deliberate ignorance rather than bigotry. > [@](#): > > There does not appear to be consensus on this point > > [Google](http://www.google.com/search?sourcei)…+an+arabist%3F > > [JeffersonCorner.com is for sale | HugeDomains](http://www.jeffersoncorner.com/kissi...ing-the-price/) I have no fucking idea what makes you think this blog Jeffersoncorner is remotely worth reading when it comes to the Arabists. You’re far better off reading Andrew Killgore and Richard Curtiss if you actually want to know what the Arabists are like. Also, the Arabists were hardly “purged” during the 70s. If there was a purge, it happened during the 90s. > [@](#): > > That’s exactly why I sarcastically asked about those two. I thought you meant pro-Palestinian, sorry I’m not up on the lingo. So then you’re admitting you listed Kissinger(who’s Jewish) and Albright(who’s not) solely because they were of Jewish descent and are also admitting that you think that Jews can’t be “pro-Palestinian”. Uh-huh. You clearly have a lot to learn and clearly have some issues to work out. Hopefully you don’t think I’m hostile to white people because I’m not one. > [@](#): > > And how does my inferior understanding make my criticisms of Israel any less valid? No, but just as people who know nothing about the NFL shouldn’t try and speculate on who will win the Super Bowl next year, people who are ignorant of the Israel-Palestinian situation shouldn’t offer strong opinions on the conflict. A good rule of thumb is that one shouldn’t have strong opinions on any subject you’re ignorant on. Beyond that, offering really strong opinions on the conflict when you know nothing about it is grossly insulting to both the Palestinians and the Israelis. Perhaps insulting Palestinians doesn’t bother you because they’re a people you have a vague understanding of and who you’ve only seen on TV, but I don’t have that luxury. > [@](#): > > Well he does it without actually saying anti-semite so he can later claim “I never called anyone an anti-semite, not me nope, never did it. Can’t quote me anywhere saying that word” But he will imply that there is some reason beyond the merits of your argument why you are criticizing Israel OR he will accuse you of having some sort of agenda. I have yet to have that experience despite being very critical of Israel. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/197 "2011-03-02T11:16:27Z")
This is possibly because you have a brain in your head, Ibn. The problem is, people who don’t, and expect to get by on vitriol and verbiage, get very upset when they are treated differently from people who know what they’re talkin’ bout. Damuri, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. But you ain’t entitled to your own facts. And you’ve pretty clearly managed to show that you got no idea what’s going on, so most of what you say is either hot air or stupidity. The hot air is the more forgivable part of it. Why don’tcha spend some time reading up on some actual history, philosophy, an’ geopolitics? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/198 "2011-03-02T13:54:17Z")
**Damuri** -[ul][li] How do you know all those things about **FinnAgain** if you have him on Ignore? [/li][li]You complain about his cites, and respond with a Google vomit and a blog. AndTen posts in a row?[/ul][/li] Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/199 "2011-03-02T14:25:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Bulllshit, He’s an asshole. The fact that he gets pitted so many times should prove that (or at least that he’s not a nice guy). The worst part is that he (and other nimrods) think that he gets pitted because people are upset that he is so right all the time.:smack: > > Bullshit. You can have your facts lined up and it won’t matter to Finn. He will present likelihoods in favor of his argument into rock solid fact and damn near facts against his argument into conjecture. > > Once again the number of pittings argue against that perspective. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > His well researched cites? > > You’re a sock puppet aren’t you? > > Half his cites come from a handful of rabidly pro-zionist cites or are links from those cites. First, look magic, I only need one post to reply to your rants. Trying using the tools provided by the board so you don’t just look dumb. You’re not new to the board. Learn how to use it. Second, obviously you only interact with \*\*Finn \*\*in GD & the Pit. If you explored the rest of the board you would find him a friendly, funny, talented poster. If you only deal with people in GD & the Pit and you mostly butt heads with them, you’ll probably not have a good view of them. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/200 "2011-03-02T14:42:44Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Why don’tcha spend some time reading up on some actual history, philosophy, an’ geopolitics? [Oh, not again!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13404849&postcount=145) First I was like :rolleyes: and when I recalled what I wrote earlier I had to 😃 but no matter, they never feel :o [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=11)