# FinnAgain is kind of a shitty person. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787 "2011-02-27T08:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/201 "2011-03-02T15:36:53Z")
So what you’re saying is that it’s too hard to be informed about the world around you? Poor baby. How the hell do you think the rest of us learn this shit? By being involved in things before they happen. Stop being a lazy-ass and study. Me, my knowledge of Africa and China’s investment therein is poor. I know some of the tribal history, but there are huge spots. But I recognize this and am working on improving it. And I’m working on learning this stuff before it blows up. How do you think I was able to report on Libya before Al-Jazeera was? (Admittedly, one of the rumors was wrong, but it was strong enough the British Foreign Minister reported it… about six hours after I did.) If you think facts and logic point to only one answer, and people tell you that you might be wrong because they know a bit more than you… maybe you’re wrong. God knows it won’t be the first time. Remember everyone panicking about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt? They were wrong. Because of about fifty details that people who knew more cared to point out. Or do you think that you’re always right based on the obvious? Why don’t you go drop a lead pound weight and an aluminum pound weight off a pillar. Clearly, the lead weight will hit first, facts and logic lead you to only one conclusion. World ain’t as simple as it seems. But sometimes it’s way more interesting than it looks. So, like, ya know what? :wally: those smilies back at you. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/202 "2011-03-02T15:57:00Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > So what you’re saying is that it’s too hard to be informed about the world around you? Poor baby. How the hell do you think the rest of us learn this shit? By being involved in things before they happen. Stop being a lazy-ass and study. > > Me, my knowledge of Africa and China’s investment therein is poor. I know some of the tribal history, but there are huge spots. But I recognize this and am working on improving it. > > And I’m working on learning this stuff before it blows up. How do you think I was able to report on Libya before Al-Jazeera was? (Admittedly, one of the rumors was wrong, but it was strong enough the British Foreign Minister reported it… about six hours after I did.) > If you think facts and logic point to only one answer, and people tell you that you might be wrong because they know a bit more than you… maybe you’re wrong. God knows it won’t be the first time. Remember everyone panicking about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt? They were wrong. Because of about fifty details that people who knew more cared to point out. > > Or do you think that you’re always right based on the obvious? Why don’t you go drop a lead pound weight and an aluminum pound weight off a pillar. Clearly, the lead weight will hit first, facts and logic lead you to only one conclusion. > > World ain’t as simple as it seems. But sometimes it’s way more interesting than it looks. > > So, like, ya know what? :wally: those smilies back at you. You should be on a ledger or something… ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/203 "2011-03-02T16:10:55Z")
Sorry, mate. Jumped off my ledge years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/204 "2011-03-02T21:24:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > **Damuri** -[ul][li] How do you know all those things about **FinnAgain** if you have him on Ignore? [/li][li]You complain about his cites, and respond with a Google vomit and a blog. And[\*]Ten posts in a row?[/ul][/li] > Regards, > Shodan Well you can click and see posts if you want but more importantly, other people quote him. When someone makes an absolute statement a single source is enough to refute. I wouldn’t make an assertion based on that sort of cite but I can refute a categorical statement with taht sort of cite can’t I? yeah I end up clumping my posts together. Its fucking anoying I know but I rarely have free time to sit in front of a computer. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/205 "2011-03-02T21:28:38Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Well, I’m not speaking for Finn, I’m merely pointing out that most westerners who feel passionately against Israel are embarrassingly ignorant of the conflict and don’t actually care about the Palestinians or their cause. So I can’t identify injustice armed only with the information generally available on Wikipedia? Get the fuck outta here. Explain why I can’t look at laws like this: [Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_and_Entry_into_Israel_Law) and say Israel is fucked up and they are oppressing Palestinians. > [@](#): > > As to the “motivations” of people who regularly pontificate on the situation despite being grossly ignorant, well, there are lots of different ones… > > …And of course some people just really like to sock it to the Jews. Perhaps I am being oversensitive but it always sounds like this is the motivation that Finn Again is talking about when he does the “Gee I wonder why you only pick on Israel, gee I wonder why that is” act. Then he accuses me of having some sort of agenda. What sort of agenda do you think he might be talking about? > [@](#): > > So, you think he doesn’t go after me, because he’s worried about being bitch-slapped by you? > > Feel free to think that if you want, but honestly I don’t think anyone else does. I don’t think that either. I don’t think Finn gives a shit about being bitch slapped, he just marches on. He doesn’t go after you because you don’t really go after Israel. > [@](#): > > Thank you for illustrating my point. Anyone who doesn’t know who Nelson Mandela is knows nothing about Apartheid South Africa and has no business expressing strong opinions about it. So according to your theory, I couldn’t possibly object to apartheid unless I was fimilar with Nelson Mandela because without this knowledge I don’t really have the information necessary to know whether apartheid is objectionable or not? Get the fuck outta here. > [@](#): > > I’m not sure what you mean by claiming that I was “whooshed”. You made yourself look grossly ignorant about the Middle East by claiming that Saddam Hussein and Yassir Arafat were “radical Islamists”. > > That was a moronic statement and anyone who makes such a comment is either bigoted against Middle Eastern Muslims or grossly ignorant about the Middle East. > > In your case, I think the issue is deliberate ignorance rather than bigotry. Whoosh is the sound something makes as it goes over your head. I was being sarcastic. read my original post in that light and it all makes more sense rather than sounding like a non sequitor. I believe the argument at the time was with Magellan who has a hardon for muslims because he thinks they are the root of all terrorism. I sarcastically pointed out that Arafat and Hussein were radical Islamists. I never thought that Saddam hussein was some sort of ululating Islamic Radical, same for Arafat. See how I took the time to explain shit to you rather than tell you to go read a stack of books. > [@](#): > > I have no fucking idea what makes you think this blog Jeffersoncorner is remotely worth reading when it comes to the Arabists. > > You’re far better off reading Andrew Killgore and Richard Curtiss if you actually want to know what the Arabists are like. > > Also, the Arabists were hardly “purged” during the 70s. If there was a purge, it happened during the 90s. I’m trying to remember why arabists are even relevant in this discussion of why Finn Again is an asswipe except to argue some conceit of yours that only those who have devoted their life to the studdy of the middle east have the right to holld an opinion about Israel. > [@](#): > > So then you’re admitting you listed Kissinger(who’s Jewish) and Albright(who’s not) > **[Madeleine Albright](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright)** > > Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright (born Marie Jana Körbelová, later Korbelová; May 15, 1937 – March 23, 2022) was an American diplomat and political scientist who served as the 64th United States secretary of state under President Bill Clinton from 1997 to 2001. She was the first woman to hold the position. > Born in Prague, Czechoslovakia, Albright immigrated to the United States after the 1948 communist coup d'état when she was eleven years old. Her father, diplomat Josef Korbel, settled the fami... Albright was born Marie Jana Korbelová (Czech pronunciation: [ˈmarɪjɛ ˈjana ˈkorbɛlovaː]) in the Smíchov district of Prague, Czechoslovakia. At the time of her birth, Czechoslovakia had been independent for less than twenty years, having gained independence from Austria after World War I. Her father, Josef Korbel, was a Jewish Czech diplomat and supporter of the early Czech democrats, Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk and Edvard Beneš.[5] She was his first child with his Jewish wife, Anna (née Spieglová), who later also had another daughter Katherine (a schoolteacher) and son John (an economist)… …Prior to their flight, Albright’s parents had converted from Judaism to Roman Catholicism… …Albright was raised Catholic, but converted to Episcopalianism at the time of her marriage in 1959. Albright did not learn until late in life that her parents were Jewish and that many of her Jewish relatives in Czechoslovakia perished in The Holocaust, including three of her grandparents. When you get up on a horse that fucking high about how important level of knowledge is and then bash wikipedia, you set a standard of accuracy for yourself that makes it really easy to poke fun at you. Didn’t you know that Albright was Jewish by birth? Geez if you didn’t even know THAT then how can we take anything you say seriously? > [@](#): > > solely because they were of Jewish descent and are also admitting that you think that Jews can’t be “pro-Palestinian”. Of course not. Jews who value justice over their allegience to an oppressive Zionist state are frequently pro-palestinian. I was responding to the allegation that the State department is institutionally anti-Israel or something like that. > [@](#): > > No, but just as people who know nothing about the NFL shouldn’t try and speculate on who will win the Super Bowl next year, people who are ignorant of the Israel-Palestinian situation shouldn’t offer strong opinions on the conflict. You act as if there is a switch, you either know everything about teh situation or you know nothing. I have said before I have a wikipedia level of knowledge and I think thats good enough. > [@](#): > > A good rule of thumb is that one shouldn’t have strong opinions on any subject you’re ignorant on. Ignorance does not mean any level of knowledge less than yours. > [@](#): > > Beyond that, offering really strong opinions on the conflict when you know nothing about it is grossly insulting to both the Palestinians and the Israelis. I know enough and I don’t mean to insult the Palestinians. > [@](#): > > I have yet to have that experience despite being very critical of Israel. cite? Its easy to be critical of some of Israel’s indefensible actions and even Finn doesn’t spend a lot of energy trying to defend the indefensible. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/206 "2011-03-02T21:36:17Z")
> [@](#): > > I wouldn’t make an assertion based on that sort of cite but I can refute a categorical statement with taht sort of cite can’t I? No, you can’t- a Google vomit does not prove anything, and anyone can write anything in a blog. **Finn** , for all his flaws, cites what he says, and from generally reliable sources. If you are gonna argue about Israel on the SDMB, you are going to have to know your shit. 'Cause **Finn** will call you on it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/207 "2011-03-02T21:36:23Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > First, look magic, I only need one post to reply to your rants. Trying using the tools provided by the board so you don’t just look dumb. You’re not new to the board. Learn how to use it. > > Second, obviously you only interact with \*\*Finn \*\*in GD & the Pit. If you explored the rest of the board you would find him a friendly, funny, talented poster. If you only deal with people in GD & the Pit and you mostly butt heads with them, you’ll probably not have a good view of them. This is true, I only post on great debates and the pit (and from time to time the game room). Here’s the thing, I butt heads with a LOT of people in GD on a lot of issues. Heck, on a lot of other topics than Israel, Finn Again’s views lines up with mine pretty well but even there he comes off like an asswipe because of how he debates. For example I butt heads with people on abortion a lot because i am mildly pro-life. I don’t think any of the people who cal me names on those threads are asswipes but Finn Again comes across as an asswipe even when he agrees with my position. I don’t particularly like some of the posters but there are plenty of other posters that I disagree with on many more issues than Finn and yet Finn is the only one to ever make my ignore list. Sure it might just be me but I bet his attitude puts him on a lot of people’s shit list. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/208 "2011-03-02T21:39:23Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > [Oh, not again!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13404849&postcount=145) > > First I was like :rolleyes: and when I recalled what I wrote earlier I had to 😃 but no matter, they never feel :o To be fair, Ibnn is far more guilty of this attitude than E-Sabbath. I suspect that E-Sabbath has just assumed that because Ibn says I am ignorant that I am indeed ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/209 "2011-03-02T21:42:05Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, you can’t- a Google vomit does not prove anything, and anyone can write anything in a blog. > > **Finn** , for all his flaws, cites what he says, and from generally reliable sources. > > If you are gonna argue about Israel on the SDMB, you are going to have to know your shit. 'Cause **Finn** will call you on it. > > Regards, > Shodan Half his cites are all linked from a handful of pro-zionist cites. A google vomit proves that there is more than one point of view especially when you don’t have to dig deep to find that multiplicity of views. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/210 "2011-03-02T21:44:15Z")
Question of the day: does Damuri have any idea what the word “Zionist” means, or does he just use it in place of “Grrrr!” ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/211 "2011-03-02T21:46:39Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Question of the day: does Damuri have any idea what the word “Zionist” means, or does he just use it in place of “Grrrr!” Question of the day #2. Will Finn show an ounce of integrity and offer an apology to Lobohan? Or will he continue to be a lying jerk? I vote lying jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/212 "2011-03-02T22:34:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So according to your theory, I couldn’t possibly object to apartheid unless I was fimilar with Nelson Mandela because without this knowledge I don’t really have the information necessary to know whether apartheid is objectionable or not? No, that’s not what I said at all. My point was that if you cared about South Africa and Apartheid you wouldn’t need someone to explain to you who Nelson Mandela is. Obviously there are comparable analogies regarding the Palestinians and their cause. > [@](#): > > **Damuri Ajashi** > Perhaps I am being oversensitive but it always sounds like this is the motivation that Finn Again is talking about when he does the “Gee I wonder why you only pick on Israel, gee I wonder why that is” act. > > Then he accuses me of having some sort of agenda. What sort of agenda do you think he might be talking about? That’s a question you need to ask Finn. I can’t speak to your motivations, but if you genuinely cared about the Palestinians other than having some vague, undefined hatred of Zionism then you wouldn’t need to be educated on such basic facts. > [@](#): > > Whoosh is the sound something makes as it goes over your head. I was being sarcastic. read my original post in that light and it all makes more sense rather than sounding like a non sequitor. I believe the argument at the time was with Magellan who has a hardon for muslims because he thinks they are the root of all terrorism. I sarcastically pointed out that Arafat and Hussein were radical Islamists. > > I never thought that Saddam hussein was some sort of ululating Islamic Radical, same for Arafat. See how I took the time to explain shit to you rather than tell you to go read a stack of books. Ok, that’s complete bullshit. There’s no evidence that you were being sarcastic. In fact, you didn’t even mention Arafat and Saddam Hussein at first. Here’s the exchange: > [@](#): > > **You** > A lot of militant Islamists are about as religiously motivated by Islam as Zionists are by Judaism. > [@](#): > > **Me** > I’m sorry, but that claim is ridiculous. > > David Ben Gurion, the founder of Israel was an atheist as were many if not most of the original founders. > > Please give me the name of a single “militant Islamist” who is an atheist. > [@](#): > > **You** > Maybe I’m using the word islamist wrong. I was thinking about guys like Arafat and Saddam Hussein. Sorry, no sign you were being sarcastic. Just that, by you own admission, you didn’t understand what the term “Islamist” referred to. > [@](#): > > **Damuri Ajashi** > When you get up on a horse that fucking high about how important level of knowledge is and then bash wikipedia, you set a standard of accuracy for yourself that makes it really easy to poke fun at you. Didn’t you know that Albright was Jewish by birth? Geez if you didn’t even know THAT then how can we take anything you say seriously? Umm… yes I was well aware that Albright was of Jewish descent. I specifically said she were here when referring to Albright and Kissinger. > [@](#): > > solely because they were of Jewish descent You also quoted that. However, she was not raised as a Jew but instead as a Catholic, doesn’t consider herself Jewish, and didn’t even learn her parents were of Jewish descent until decades later. She also wouldn’t even qualify for Israeli citizenship because she’s a practicing Christian. > [@](#): > > **Damuri Ajashi** > [Madeleine Albright - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright) > Albright was born Marie Jana Korbelová (Czech pronunciation: [ˈmarɪjɛ ˈjana ˈkorbɛlovaː]) in the Smíchov district of Prague, Czechoslovakia. At the time of her birth, Czechoslovakia had been independent for less than twenty years, having gained independence from Austria after World War I. Her father, Josef Korbel, was a Jewish Czech diplomat and supporter of the early Czech democrats, Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk and Edvard Beneš.[5] She was his first child with his Jewish wife, Anna (née Spieglová), who later also had another daughter Katherine (a schoolteacher) and son John (an economist)… > …Prior to their flight, Albright’s parents had converted from Judaism to Roman Catholicism… > …Albright was raised Catholic, but converted to Episcopalianism at the time of her marriage in 1959. Albright did not learn until late in life that her parents were Jewish and that many of her Jewish relatives in Czechoslovakia perished in The Holocaust, including three of her grandparents. > > When you get up on a horse that fucking high about how important level of knowledge is and then bash wikipedia, you set a standard of accuracy for yourself that makes it really easy to poke fun at you. Didn’t you know that Albright was Jewish by birth? Geez if you didn’t even know THAT then how can we take anything you say seriously? Ok, this part is bizarre. You’re insisting that Albright is Jewish even though she doesn’t consider herself one, and is a practicing Christian because her parents were Jewish. I guess if you want to use Adolph Hitler’s belief that the children of Jews even if they’re practicing Christians, but no one else would agree with that. By your standards I guess Obama is a Muslim because his father was. > [@](#): > > I was responding to the allegation that the State department is institutionally anti-Israel or something like that. That’s weird, because I’ve never alleged that. > [@](#): > > cite? You’re asking me to provide a “cite” to prove that Finn hasn’t accused me of being an anti-Semite? Show me where he has. He hasn’t and I’ve been very critical of Israel. > [@](#): > > I suspect that E-Sabbath has just assumed that because Ibn says I am ignorant that I am indeed ignorant. No, he probably thinks that because you proudly claim you’ve learned everything you need to know from wikipedia and say that if it’s something to be proud of. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/213 "2011-03-02T23:02:31Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > you proudly claim you’ve learned everything you need to know from wikipedia and say that if it’s something to be proud of. Slight correction: Wikipedia and cocktail party chit chat. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Well, I’m not speaking for Finn, The thing is, I still can’t tell if Damuri knows that his accusation is fictional or if he’s paranoid enough to believe it. Damuri wants to believe that “whenever [he criticizes] Israel” I accuse him of having an agenda. To put it mildly, this doesn’t have even a passing familiarity with reality. IIRC I once pointed out that his style of ‘debate’ was disingenuous and ignorant. That was after a series of factual refutations left his argument precisely unchanged. As he’s gone on record admitting that he instinctively takes all new information and automatically finds ways to fit it into an anti-Israel narrative (for which he takes no responsibility and claims that I control his thoughts), I’m not sure what his disagreement even consists of. Be that as it may, as he used to claim that I’d ever called him an anti-Semite (and once even claimed that I “shouted him down” by calling him an anti-Semite) but now admits that no such thing ever happened and has retreated to the claim that I’m hinting at him being an anti-Semite (how do you shout someone down by coyly hinting?)… Well, I’d suggest that any of his claims about anything I’ve done/said/think/of do be held in abeyance until he provides a cite that actually confirms his claims. As near as I can tell, it’s about as true as I “shouted him down” with cries of “anti-Semitism”. His distortion is, I think, based on[this thread.](http://209.104.5.198/sdmb/showthread.php?t=562556&page=2) I think that [this may have been the first post to set him off.](http://209.104.5.198/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12468542&postcount=280) In it, I pointed out that by talking about the Right of Return allowing Palestinians to “reclaim” land was something of a non sequitor since private ownership of land was not the majority condition and that his view that the UN “created” Israel was wrong, since the UN never took actions of any sort, at all. What I actually said was: > [@](#): > > Considering the degree of ignorance you have about history and current events, you might not want to be so quick to claim that I’m rewriting things. To say nothing of your Witnessing about the effect of a non-binding resolution that was never enforced, observed, etc, etc, etc… We’ve been over this. The facts of history don’t enter into your argument on certain points because they get in the way of your narrative. To which he responded: [ > [@](#): > > I have no narrative. I have no agenda. I have no skin in the game. How about you? I only ask because you seem to constantly fall back on accusing me of trying to push some sort of mythology or narrative. ]([http://209.104.5.198/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12484228&postcount=307](http://209.104.5.198/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12484228&postcount=307)) Then he claimed that: [ > [@](#): > > You position seems to be that noone who is not in possession of all the minutiae of facts should attempt to engage in a debate about the issue of Palestinian refugees. Its like being wrong on an irrelevant fact makes me “disingenuos” and “witnessing” I have no dog in this fight, I have no connection to the area or to either of the religions that have become involved in this conflict. I have no motive to distort facts or to cherrypick them. And yet you constantly seem to accuse me of these motives. I think its projection. ]([http://209.104.5.198/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12486278&postcount=310](http://209.104.5.198/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12486278&postcount=310)) [In this post](http://209.104.5.198/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12487123&postcount=312)I again tried to explain to him exactly what I found objectionable about his style of ‘debate’" > [@](#): > > Your repeated use of non-facts and your claims that all the facts are “distortions” since they falsify your conclusion? It does indeed cast doubt on the entirety of your argument. If you can’t even get the basic history correct, and if no matter what that history is it just happens to be usable by you to support your conclusion? It’s a pretty good hint that not only are your factual claims suspect, but your reasoning is really rationalizing to support a conclusion that is based on faith and stands independent of any possible facts, and as such, independent of any possible factual refutation. > It’s really quite obvious, and you’d most likely recognize the failure of such a tactic as well as what arguing from a conclusion and trying to find facts to support it looks like… if it was used to support something you weren’t Witnessing for. > > “We know that evolution is wrong because we can’t explain how flagella evolved. Oh, we can? Okay, then evolution is wrong because we can’t explain how the eye evolved. Oh, we can? Okay, then evolution is wrong because we can’t find any fossil evidence of transitional forms. Oh, we can? Okay then, evolution is wrong because we can’t explain how flagella evolved. > And stop distorting facts and claiming that I need to know all these minutae to have an informed opinion. And don’t say I’m Witnessing, because I’m not up for tenure in the biological sciences and I’m not seeking any grant money, so how could I be Witnessing for a faith-based conclusion of mine? I have no skin in the game, I’m obviously not Witnessing for my pre-determined conclusion that evolution is false. I bet you’re just projecting, and we can all agree that you’ve yet again failed to defend your distorted view of how biology works.” (It didn’t work). Now, that’s an annoying amount of links and quotes, but unfortunately it’s necessary to set the record straight since Damuri feels very comfortable up on the cross. I didn’t make a sly accusation of anti-Semitism, merely that he had a narrative that he was trying to fit facts into. I’d hope that when anybody reading along sees one of Damuri’s accusations about anything I’ve said/done/thought, that they check whether or not he’s actually cited the alleged incident. For the record, I think he’s a willfully, deliberately ignorant dilettante who, as he has admitted, instinctively takes any new information and fits it into an anti-Israel narrative that he takes no responsibility for and blames on external forces that control his mind. I don’t hold any belief that he’s a racist, however. > [@](#): > > So, you think he doesn’t go after me, because he’s worried about being bitch-slapped by you? It’s funny… at least he doesn’t lack for self confidence. Meanwhile, I have a dragon-repelling rock. I wonder if I can persuade him to purchase it and put it next to his Finn-anti-Semitism-accusation-avoiding device. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/214 "2011-03-03T00:32:36Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Question of the day: does Damuri have any idea what the word “Zionist” means, or does he just use it in place of “Grrrr!” He also has very odd ideas about what constitutes being a Jew if he thinks Madeline Albright is one. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/215 "2011-03-03T00:36:58Z")
To be fair, I’ve never known Damuri to let a total lack of knowledge get in the way of making claims. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/216 "2011-03-03T01:05:56Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > Ah, so you CAN multiquote! Ignorance fought! 😃 > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Finn Again’s views lines up with mine pretty well Can you tell us what those views are? Because from where I sit, I only see the two of you going at it WRT Israel. What views has **FinnAgain** expressed outside of the Israel issue that you agree with? He pretty much sticks to that issue, I could be wrong, but I don’t see Finn posting much outside of anything that isn’t directly or tangentially related to Israel, the Jews, or the Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/217 "2011-03-03T01:28:48Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > To be fair, I’ve never known Damuri to let a total lack of knowledge get in the way of making claims. Hey, Finn. Since you admitted that I was correct in my comment that started all of this, would you please apologize to me? You aren’t a liar, right? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/218 "2011-03-03T01:33:46Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > could be wrong, but I don’t see Finn posting much outside of anything that isn’t directly or tangentially related to Israel, the Jews, or the Middle East. Well, I have posted on a number of other subjects (I remember a knock-down, drag-out brawl with Scylla over the number of prisoners the US had tortured to death, for instance.) The thing of it is that I generally don’t post on a subject with any great conviction unless I’ve already researched it and know the arguments, and the counter-arguments. I happen to have an acceptable level of knowledge about Middle Eastern affairs, so I tend to post more about that than other subjects. Folks like Tamerlane are certainly much more knowledgeable than I am on the history of the Middle East, but he’s one of a kind for our board and most folks wouldn’t know the difference between Haniya and Hanna Barbara. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/219 "2011-03-03T02:09:25Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Well, I have posted on a number of other subjects (I remember a knock-down, drag-out brawl with Scylla over the number of prisoners the US had tortured to death, for instance.) > The thing of it is that I generally don’t post on a subject with any great conviction unless I’ve already researched it and know the arguments, and the counter-arguments. I happen to have an acceptable level of knowledge about Middle Eastern affairs, so I tend to post more about that than other subjects. > > Folks like Tamerlane are certainly much more knowledgeable than I am on the history of the Middle East, but he’s one of a kind for our board and most folks wouldn’t know the difference between Haniya and Hanna Barbara. Hanna Barbera was that Jew that conspired to take over American children’s minds via cartoons, right? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/220 "2011-03-03T02:57:20Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > …(I remember a knock-down, drag-out brawl with Scylla… And I\* missed \*it? Damn! Well, did he apologize for what he said about your momma? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=12)