# FinnAgain is kind of a shitty person. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787 "2011-02-27T08:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/281 "2011-03-05T03:32:11Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’ve no clue if you’re right or wrong, because I’d have to check umpteenth links and threads to figure that out. In other words, you neither know nor are going to make the effort to know if I’m correct or not, but you still think I should take your opinion to heart. Do you understand the problem with that? Likewise, do you think I should take your opinion seriously when I just gave you three clear-cut examples of people lying about me, but you can’t be bothered to learn the truth about it before forming an opinion? > [@](#): > > walls of text[…] repeating the same point over and over again, endless use of the words SFG is extracting from your posts Again, look at one of the recent posts where she was trolling me (yes, you’ll have to click on a link). Damuri lied and claimed that I’d accused him of anti-Semitism. In simply responding to that, the words “anti-Semitism” and variations on “dishonesty” came up, so SFG trolled me about it. Do you really not understand the fundamental trollishness of trying to shut someone up from defending themselves against slander, when their use of the ‘dreaded words’ is to mention what they were accused of, and to state that they didn’t actually do it? Do you really not get it? If I said “Clair has admitted to being a pedophile and running a dog-fighting tournament” and you responded “That’s sick, I don’t support dog-fighting and I’m not a pedophile, and it’s disgusting for you to lie about something as serious as pedophilia or as brutal as dog-fighting. You know damn well that’s not true.” and then someone decided to troll you by posting “sick…dog-fighting…pedophile…disgusting…lie…pedophilia…dog-fighting.” You’d be happy with that? If a whole pack of idiots decided to troll you that way, and then someone else came in and said that they didn’t care if you were right or not, but that you should just shut up, would you value their opinion? As for “walls of text”, admitting that you can’t or won’t read a few paragraphs is pretty much equivalent to your statement above about how you don’t know whether or not I’m right, but you’d prefer I not talk about it. It lets me know what your opinion is worth on that subject. Same with “repeating the same point” over and over again. As the same accusations are raised over and over, of course I’m going to respond to them with the same facts. The facts, after all, don’t change. Nor do the relevant responses. No matter how many times, for instance, you use variations of “I don’t care”, the response will always be “What I’m saying is true, so it really doesn’t and shouldn’t matter much to me if you get upset by the truth.” > [@](#): > > You can defend yourself from accusations, but plenty of people do so in the Pit How many of them have a coterie of people who routinely follow them around and lie about them? Many? If you notice, there is a small core of about a dozen posters who can’t freely advance bullshit arguments in GD, because they’ll get called on the facts, so they constantly lie about me and/or troll me when they can. Check, for instance, Red’s barrage of trolling about how I never criticize Israel. As many people aren’t particularly bright, they also leap on a bandwagon when they see the opportunity. Check CarnalK’s idiocy. Find me, say, five other people who, in the Pit, routinely have people lie about them in the manner that these folks do, with the same predictable, and debunked lies. For instance, there’s the “anybody who criticized Israel is accused of anti-Semitism” lie. Or the “Finn never criticizes Israel” lie (sometimes combined, as Red shows). Find me five other posters who have people not only lying about them like that in the Pit, but in GD as well, where the mods allow it. Find me five other posters who, for instance, engage in behavior like saying I never criticize Israel in threads where I’ve just criticized Israel. Find five posters like that. Now, when people admit that they don’t care about the facts, and that they’ll condone people lying about me and trolling me, but gosh darn they just can’t stand it when I point out the facts? Do you really think I should take them seriously? Would you, were you in my shoes? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/282 "2011-03-05T08:11:54Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Likewise, do you think I should take your opinion seriously when I just gave you three clear-cut examples of people lying about me, but you can’t be bothered to learn the truth about it before forming an opinion? You can do whatever you want with my opinion. > [@](#): > > Do you really not get it? I got it, you explained it again and again. > [@](#): > > As for “walls of text”, admitting that you can’t or won’t read a few paragraphs is pretty much equivalent to your statement above about how you don’t know whether or not I’m right, but you’d prefer I not talk about it. It lets me know what your opinion is worth on that subject. See, I didn’t quote everything you said, but it’s the third time or so in a single post that you’re repeating exactly the same thing. I understood your point just fine the first time. > [@](#): > > Do you really think I should take them seriously? > Would you, were you in my shoes? Obviously, you’re taking them seriously, since you keep posting in this thread, answering to them and arguing about them. If you don’t take them seriously and think their opînion is worthless, just explain once why it’s worthless, twice top, leave them at their own devices and let the readers judge. That’s what I would do, I guess. I can’t tell for sure because I’ve never been pitted in ten years and 10 000+ posts. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/283 "2011-03-05T13:28:48Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I got it Rather obviously, you don’t get it. Or you’d have had the integrity to actually answer a single question I put to you, rather than cherrypicking the word “seriously” and equivocating on it. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/284 "2011-03-05T14:00:48Z")
Oh and, not that you haven’t learned the bullshit memes to spout in order to try to annoy me, but let’s look at your whine about “repeating things”, shall we? [ > [@](#): > > -Pointing out that you neither know nor care what the facts are, but you think you should tell me to shut up about them. > > -Pointing out that you’ve ignored the actual examples of people’s behavior in this thread that I brought to your attention and questioned you about, and you still refuse to discuss them. > > -Responding to _your_ comments about SFG. Which you ignored. > > -Trying to get understand what you might do if SFG’s behavior was directed at trolling you instead of me. Which you ignored. > > -Pointing out that “wall of text” is generally a nifty shibboleth for recognizing intellectually lazy people whose pronouncements can safely be avoided. > > -Pointing out that arguing that “repetition” is horrible if the same points are being raised and responded to is, to put it mildly, foolish. > > -A direct response to _your_ comment about people responding in the Pit, and how the facts of the situation are somewhat unique. Which you ignored. > > -A segue into the fact that their behavior is the same in GD. > > -A reiteration of the main issues of your intellectual laziness, desire to hold an opinion on a subject you admit you’re willfully ignorant of and a request that if you want me to actually take you seriously, you have to show you’re not just here to discuss the issue in bad faith/try to poke me with a stick. So, okay, one issue repeated at the start and end of the post when I tried to draw your attention to your fundamental failure. You ignored that too. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13535278&postcount=281](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13535278&postcount=281)) But, I suppose, complaining about “repetition” that doesn’t actually exist is a bit easier than honestly discussing something. One last time (oh God, I’m repeating myself, ayieeee!!!) Do you plan to actually address the facts and answer the relevant questions, or will you remain deliberately, willfully ignorant while offering up an opinion anyways and trying to annoy me? Will you continue to make points and then when I respond directly to those points, in good faith, you’ll ignore that and change the subject to whine about “repetition”? I did you the courtesy of assuming that you weren’t just trying to bait me into a response. Was I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/285 "2011-03-05T19:43:57Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > No, I’m ridiculing you for insisting that Madeline Albright is Jewish because it shows you are deliberately ignorant and aggressively in denial of reality. I’ll drop the Albright Jewish point. I was going by the first sentence in her bio without reading the whole thing, it was foolish to try and defend a point I really don’t give a shit about. If I have similarly taken only SOME of the information into account in my position of Israel and if there is some tidbit of information that you think should change my position then please enlighten me but so far all you have said is "you haven’t studied the issue enough so you can’t have a valid opinion and really shouldn’t get involved in the debate. Or would you rather pick on some other irrelevant niggling detail to try and undercut my position? Perhaps you can pick on my spelling next. > [@](#): > > Like I said, for your sake, I hope you’ve never ridiculed people who think Obama is a Muslim because by your standards he is a Muslim just as Wesley Clarke and George Allen are Jews. Why? How the fuck does one have anything to do with the other and why "for my sake? Is something bad going to happen to me if I did? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/286 "2011-03-05T19:49:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Keep fuckin’ that chicken Finn. Keep fuckin’ that chicken. Its the big lie. If he says it often enough, people might start to believe some of his bullshit. Apparently it is working with the like of Magellan. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/287 "2011-03-05T19:50:46Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > As an old black man, FinnAgain remembers when he was called uppity for speaking “above his station”. Now, as a defender of the country with the most powerful military in it’s region, he feels that same racism when he tries to make a point. Stop oppressing him, you lying bigots! That’s blood libel dammit. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/288 "2011-03-05T21:13:01Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its the big lie. If he says it often enough, people might start to believe some of his bullshit. Speaking of which, found that cite yet for where I called you an anti-Semite, shouted you down as an anti-Semite, implied that you were an anti-Semite, hinted that you were, suggested that you were, made any indication that you were? Sure would be pretty trollish of you to claim that I’m lying when you know that you have to lie just to make that claim. So, surely, you’ve got a cite. And you’ll finally provide it, yes, seeing as how it exists? Got that cite? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/289 "2011-03-05T21:59:03Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Speaking of which, found that cite yet for where I called you an anti-Semite, shouted you down as an anti-Semite, implied that you were an anti-Semite, hinted that you were, suggested that you were, made any indication that you were? > Sure would be pretty trollish of you to claim that I’m lying when you know that you have to lie just to make that claim. > > So, surely, you’ve got a cite. And you’ll finally provide it, yes, seeing as how it exists? > Got that cite? Seeing as I had a cite for where you admitted to the charge I made against you, I don’t really see why anyone should bother giving you a cite. You ignore them when it’s convenient. Because you’re not honest. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/290 "2011-03-05T22:24:57Z")
Pathetic trolling as usual Lobo. You lied about there being multiple accusations and have snipped that part each time you cherrypick another phrase. And you pretend not to have seen that, which is why you keep dishonestly demanding an apology and trolling me when you know that you’re lying. Now, this is my thread and I’m quite happy using it to show the caliber of idiot arrayed against me. It’s going quite well, but you’ve already proven that you’re a liar and a troll, and really, your continued baiting about how one single accusation was a crazy series of accusations and thus you were justified in using ATMB to accuse me of trolling? It’s really lame. Like, a horse with one leg kinda lame. You actually tried to cover your lie at one point by claiming that a single accusation about a single person is really “accusations” if it’s repeated. Now go away. Finally. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/291 "2011-03-05T23:26:07Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Pathetic trolling as usual Lobo. You lied about there being multiple accusations and have snipped that part each time you cherrypick another phrase. And you pretend not to have seen that, which is why you keep dishonestly demanding an apology and trolling me when you know that you’re lying. Now, this is my thread and I’m quite happy using it to show the caliber of idiot arrayed against me. It’s going quite well, but you’ve already proven that you’re a liar and a troll, and really, your continued baiting about how one single accusation was a crazy series of accusations and thus you were justified in using ATMB to accuse me of trolling? It’s really lame. Like, a horse with one leg kinda lame. > > You actually tried to cover your lie at one point by claiming that a single accusation about a single person is really “accusations” if it’s repeated. > > Now go away. Finally. If I call you a\* poo-head\* 1000 times is someone justified in saying that, “Lobohan was hurling _poo-head_ accusations all day!” ---
**Author:** ![randomface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@randomface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randomface)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/292 "2011-03-05T23:53:03Z")
If a newspaper that has a million subscribers sends out the morning news with the headline “Police Chief fires Officer”, have a million police officers been fired? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/293 "2011-03-05T23:54:21Z")
> [@randomface](#): > > If a newspaper that has a million subscribers sends out the morning news with the headline “Police Chief fires Officer”, have a million police officers been fired? No. But if it had 300 different articles talking about it, it would have published many articles about the one subject. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/294 "2011-03-06T00:11:38Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > accusations Let’s try an honest analogy. At one point, Poster A says in a thread that he simply loves watching the movie _Showgirls._ Later, Poster B says in another thread “Poster A admitted that he loves watching showgirls.” Several people dispute this fact, and/or troll Poster B for stating it. This is, however, the only accusation that Poster B makes, and it is only about Poster A, and only about that one statement that Poster A made. Later, Poster C says in ATMB that of course people think that Poster B is a troll since, after all he was “tossing around accusations like candy!” It’s some pretty clear dishonesty designed to impugn someone’s credibility. Like if a DA’s office brought charges of malicious mischief against one individual based on one incident, and explained several times during the trial why the accusation was correct. And then someone responded “You can’t trust the DA’s office, they toss around accusations of malicious mischief like counterspells in Magic the Gathering!!!” Now go away. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/295 "2011-03-06T00:37:14Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Now go away. Since you want me to go away because you don’t like it pointed out what an out of control, venomous psycho you are, I don’t see an upside. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/296 "2011-03-06T03:41:06Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why? How the fuck does one have anything to do with the other and why "for my sake? Is something bad going to happen to me if I did? Sigh, I thought it was obvious but I’ll explain. By the standards you’re using to judge Albright to be Jewish, that she was the descendant of Jews, then Obama is a Muslim and Wesley Clark are Jews. As for the “for your sake” I was simply pointing this out because if you’ve ridiculed people for calling Obama a Muslim then you made yourself look extremely stupid. That said, I’ll assume, for your sake, that you do believe in intellectual consistency and you think that it’s perfectly valid for people to insist that Obama is a Muslim. Otherwise I’d have to assume you were a giant hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/297 "2011-03-06T06:34:50Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Sigh, > > I thought it was obvious but I’ll explain. > > By the standards you’re using to judge Albright to be Jewish, that she was the descendant of Jews, then Obama is a Muslim and Wesley Clark are Jews. > > As for the “for your sake” I was simply pointing this out because if you’ve ridiculed people for calling Obama a Muslim then you made yourself look extremely stupid. > > That said, I’ll assume, for your sake, that you do believe in intellectual consistency and you think that it’s perfectly valid for people to insist that Obama is a Muslim. > > Otherwise I’d have to assume you were a giant hypocrite. putting aside the fact that I have admitted that my original statement about Albright was based on an incomplete reading of her wiki page, am I somehow using Albright’s lineage to impeach her or discriminate against her the way birthers are doing? There is a difference between why a birther does what they do and why I might have made the mistake I did. The point is that you were making some sort of claim (I can’t even remeber what the claim was, its been so long) about arabists in the state department. The entire argument gets derailed by the focus on irrelevant bullshit. This happens a lot when I argued with Finn, now its happening with you too. Is there a school where they teach you to argue like this? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/298 "2011-03-06T06:37:48Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Sigh, > > I thought it was obvious but I’ll explain. > > By the standards you’re using to judge Albright to be Jewish, that she was the descendant of Jews, then Obama is a Muslim and Wesley Clark are Jews. > > As for the “for your sake” I was simply pointing this out because if you’ve ridiculed people for calling Obama a Muslim then you made yourself look extremely stupid. > > That said, I’ll assume, for your sake, that you do believe in intellectual consistency and you think that it’s perfectly valid for people to insist that Obama is a Muslim. > > Otherwise I’d have to assume you were a giant hypocrite. BTW where is that cite for when you were so critical of Israel? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/299 "2011-03-06T08:13:33Z")
I can vouch for the fact that Ibn is telling the truth. BTW got that cite yet about being shouted down as an anti-Semite or, I suppose, shouted-down-by-implied-anti-Semitism? Seeing as how it’s not just a big lie you’re spreading because you’ve had your head handed to you in so many debates that you decided a campaign of deception was the only way you stood a chance, you obviously have that cite. The fact that you’ve never, ever provided it just means that you’ll offer it up right away. Due to your honest opposition to the big lie, and all. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/300 "2011-03-06T14:19:27Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Fairly objective poster here. Your post drips of stupidity. sorry, but true. Sorry, but which part of my post is dripping? The part about how it is not appreciated on the SDMB to suggest that rapes might be triggered by sexual impulses instead of purely violent ones? The part about how it is not acceptable here to state that “alcoholics” have the ability to keep their arms from putting a bottle to their lips without God’s help? The part about how we “fight ignorance” here by pretending that a belief in God has any more meaning than a belief in Santa Claus? Or is it the part about how any discussion here, by and large, accepts only that the state of Israel can do no wrong and if anyone suggests otherwise then they obviously must hate all Jews? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=16)