# FinnAgain is kind of a shitty person. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787 "2011-02-27T08:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/501 "2011-03-21T19:38:36Z")
**villa** , congratulations on your promotion from deranged shrieking ineffectual shrieker to actually violent postal-going juggernaut. I wonder what you did to earn that. It’s almost like [QUOTE=villa] I would think it is worth telling you at this point that I am a man. [/QUOTE] Oh, I see. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/502 "2011-03-21T20:48:38Z")
> [@](#): > > juggernaut. Oh, hardly. Anybody can pick up a gun and before villa stated here that he was a dude, I posted in the other thread that things like Villa’s Rage feuled shrieking when simply asked for a link point to someone who is, quite frankly, violently unstable. His continued acts of dishonesty/willful noncomprehension also point to someone who doesn’t let reality get in the way if his rage. Not that I’d expect you to understand, as you were quite proud of stating that my cogent, well-cited and fully elaborated arguments were something you were totally unable to understand. Maybe some day you’ll understand why “fuck you, you are a dishonest prick!!!” is not a sane response to “Can you provide a link?” Oh, I see. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/503 "2011-03-21T21:48:55Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Oh, hardly. Anybody can pick up a gun and before villa stated here that he was a dude, I posted in the other thread that things like Villa’s Rage feuled shrieking when simply asked for a link point to someone who is, quite frankly, violently unstable. His continued acts of dishonesty/willful noncomprehension also point to someone who doesn’t let reality get in the way if his rage. So you aren’t going to defend your outright lies and misrepresentations, and instead are going to continue to make defamatory comments, then… You’re a coward, plain and simple. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/504 "2011-03-22T01:59:59Z")
> [@villa](#): > > You really don’t get it, do you? I’ve explained it to you multiple times. If you want it explained again, ask nicely and I will do it. This is really not a good suggestion. If you don’t understand why now, you soon will. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/505 "2011-03-22T02:11:02Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > lies Nah, still truth. But before you engage in the spectacle of explaining why your racism is okay because you alleged a cabal but didn’t call it one, or JAQ’d Off about a potential-conspiracy of traitor Jews working to subvert the government but said you were Just Asking Questions about such a conspiracy and not necessary alleging it, how about you demonstrate at least a base level of 'good faith" (snerk) and identify just how you misread a claim of cultural factors causing relative success in limited fields as a claim of “innate superiority” in absolutely all fields that evinced a “bigotry” and “Jewish supremacism”? Otherwise, of course, it’ll be pretty clear as to exactly why you’re trying to allege that your racist claims weren’t even said. Just like it should be clear to pretty much everybody reading along exactly why it’s not worth it to provide links for someone whose argument is that he was describing the artifices and intrigues of Jews in Hollywood secretly united (or acting out of spontaneous conspiracy) to advance Jews at the expense of gentiles, but you never used the specific word “cabal” so it totally doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/506 "2011-03-22T02:43:51Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > These pittings are much more entertaining since **Finn** started bringing his imaginary friend **Ibn**. Interesting that you mentioned this. I’ve never noticed \*\*Ibn \*\*before this thread. He joined in min-January of this year. And he’s very understanding of **Finn**. Sock? I don’t know. But he does seem to like telling us he posts from Rhode Island. I don’t really know the significance of that. Oh, and apparently he’s a muslim. I think. Not that it matters, but if he is a muslim, I’m impressed with his patience and understanding of **Finn**. He also has two friends. One of them is, you guessed it, **Finn**. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/507 "2011-03-22T03:57:19Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Interesting that you mentioned this What, spoke being prone to baseless accusations and/or conspiracy theories? Nah that’s predictable. Of course, if spoke (or you) weren’t totally full of shit you’d report Ibn to the mods as a sock. And they’d tell you he’s not my sock, because facts have a well known anti-bullshit bias. Then you’d admit your error and apologize. But you have no integrity and as pointed out, other than baseless smears that he tries to get people refute (or the Big Lie in your case), y’all have got _nothing at all_. > [@](#): > > Oh, and apparently he’s a muslim. I think. Not that it matters, but if he is a muslim, I’m impressed with his patience and understanding of **Finn**. This is even dumber. As I’ve never said a single bad thing about Muslims as a group, your innuendo is slimy, even for you. > [@](#): > > He also has two friends. One of them is, you guessed it, **Finn**. :dubious: Are you really this stupid? You think I created a sock, and then friended it? Or, could it be, exactly as I posted in this thread, that I appreciate having an intelligent, knowledgeable participant in Middle East debates, even if he’s highly critical of Israel/Zionism? That, perhaps for the first time in years, there’s an honest and informed critic of Israel here, and the usual suspects in the Israel Bashing Brigade, so used to closing ranks and ignoring any behavior among their coterie, no matter how dishonest or ugly… are freaking out and gnashing their teeth because someone can debate the issues with both knowledge and integrity, but won’t join their vomiting about how angry I make them? That, ironically the only behavior that it turns out they refuse to tolerate among critics of Israel is honest, informed discussion? No, must be a sock. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/508 "2011-03-22T04:30:56Z")
You seem kind of angry. I don’t know if anybody else is picking up on this. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/509 "2011-03-22T04:50:23Z")
Ah, “U mad?” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/510 "2011-03-22T05:02:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You’re full of shit. You claimed that it was my position that we “investigate all Muslims”. I called bullshit on your claim and asked you to provide a cite—even one. Your response to that is above: not cite at all. So, you were unable to provide even one instance of me saying that all Muslims should be investigated. But rather than admit you were wrong, you resort to the “you have basically said” nonsense, which, to the non-dumb, shows that your claim was full of shit. > > Amazingly, you then go on to relay what my position actually is, and that is merely to use Muslimness as one filter, the first filter. Which conflicts with your original claim. > > Now, why don’t you just admit that what you said regarding my position was wrong? You seem to prefer to string out your mistake, compounding it. And revealing yourself to be a dishonest poster. > > ::shrug:: Your posts are my cite. Go to any of the threads about muslims and there you are saying that muslims are suspect. I think you even jumped on the whole “its the Quran that makes them that way” bandwagon until it was shown how stupid that statement was considering the history of the world from about 200 AD to about 1900 AD. Of course you don’t mean that there aren’t some good muslims but in order to get all the bad ones we have to look at all the muslims, otherwise we might miss one. Isn’t that pretty much your position? So put simply you are a bigot. Its no secret to anyone that has been involved in those threads. Like I said, I’d hate to derail a good pitting of someone who deserves to be pitted on a daily basis but if you think that anyone who participates in those threads doesn’t recognize your bigotry then you’ve got another think coming. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/511 "2011-03-22T05:14:12Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > someone who deserves to be pitted on a daily basis “Finn!! Can you hear me?? I’m ignoring you! I’m not paying attention to you! Finn!! Finn! You’re being ignored, and I’m the one who’s ignoring you! Did you hear me? I said that I’m ignoring you!!!” Of course, it’s telling that other than lying about me, constantly, and whining, also constantly, you’ve got nothing. You want me pitted because time after time you’ve been revealed as an ignorant, yammering disingenuous fool. And rather than, ya know, stopping and correcting your behavior, you can only fume. Fume in your intellectual impotence. Fume. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/512 "2011-03-22T08:18:21Z")
Fume a doobie, asswipe. It might not only mellow you out but get you laid. By that wife of yours no less. 130 posts and counting in this thread alone. Get a job! Or should that be a “blowjob.”? Not that there’s a chance for the latter as your 'netdick gets all the action you seem to need. That’s some sad shit, **Frothy**. Seriously, offer still stands. Get help and I’ll help as well. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/513 "2011-03-22T08:43:47Z")
Ah well, anyways, insomnia is fun but boredom sucks. So, most of Villa’s many errors and lies have been dealt with, but it’s worth it to point one more out. As stated earlier, Villa is literally a rage-fueled crazy person who is, quite possibly, a danger to himself and others. The fury he fell into upon merely being asked for a _link_ demonstrates that. Readers should check the original thread to see his constant lying and dishonest editing in the wild, such as it is. Here they can see that, for instance, I did not just state that the (correct) definition I provided was factual, but pointed out that ["Definitions vary depending on which states we’re talking about but I was using that one, as I pointed out in the post you’re cherry-picking that from. (Weren’t you the one who went into a fit of hysterical shrieking because I responded to your comments but didn’t quote the entire posts?) "](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13581524&postcount=323) As it happened, I cited the NY definition which clearly lists “forcible compulsion” as a metric that can be used, absent any other metric. Forcible compulsion is: [simply the use or threat of force.](http://www.slc.edu/offices-services/security/assault/Penal_Law.html) Villa’s nonsensical rambling was that this is not true, since (allegedly) it’s different in New Jersey. Now, as for his quoting me about a cite, naturally as he’s not only dishonest but a hypocrite, he’s dishonesty editing the post and not linking it, so that he can hide the context (as he’s not terribly bright, he’s also ignoring every word past the word “cite”). The fact that I was discussing a cite _that everybody could read themselves_ (rather obviously, online), and not hard copy that people would have to track down and type out by hand, is something that Villa knows full well. He’s simply lying about it. He knows this, [because I explained it to him at some length.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13585327&postcount=366) But he’s still paranoid enough to think that while Margin brought up his claims and I only responded to her, that I was doing so out of some nefarious intent to avoid the other thread. Such is life. Anyways, [as elaborated on and cited/quoted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13593956&postcount=488), Spoke is the kind of racist who’s always on the hunt for “Jewish supremacism” (Run a google search for that phrase and see what you get). In his hunt for “Jewish supremacism”, he claimed that a statement of cultural factors which produce relative success in limited fields was “bigotry”, a claim of “innate superiority” among Jews and a claim that Jews are the best in “every field”, and that all that evinced “Jewish supremacism”. (Seriously, google it, note the hits you get). Now Spoke, brave internet racist that he is, [is trying to deny other things that he said.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13594468&postcount=489) Naturally. Most often after his Johnsonesque anti-Semitic smears are debunked, all he can do is rant about how people pointing out his racism are really the ones engaging in such Johnsonesque since he’s Just Asking Questions and suggesting loyalty probes or suing “Hollywood” to ferret out the Jewish cabal, or what have you. Watching Spoke use the Fallacy of Malice Aforethought to pat himself on the back at how clever he is for avoiding certain words is [a bit like watching a mildly retarded orangutan play Taboo](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo_%28game%29). But seriously, listen to his whining about “Johnson smears” and then look at his JAQing Off about Jewish treachery in most any thread he spouts off in, and it’s always the same pattern: > [@](#): > > When Lyndon Johnson ran for Congress, legend says, he wanted to spread the rumor that his opponent was a pig-fucker. Johnson’s campaign manager said, “Lyndon, you know he doesn’t do that!” Johnson replied, “I know. I just want to make him deny it.” It’s really not worth it to point out all of his lies (especially since he can’t even address exactly how he confused limited cultural factors that effect a few fields to innate superiority in literally every field), but I’ll point out one of two so it’s clear what the substance of his evasions is. Let’s take, for instance: > [@Finn](#): > > He claimed that we had firm information about the number of Jews in upper management positions. Spoke claims this is a lie. Is it? [ > [@Spoke](#): > > [url=[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif)] > > > [@Jack](#): > > > > Ah, so you have no idea, but are depending on a list in the OP whose comprehensiveness and significance are unclear, but you just know that it “suggests” discrimination. > > ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12995666&postcount=74](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12995666&postcount=74)) > Stein says he could only find six (five as it turned out) non-Jews in high positions in the trade. What do you know, it’s the truth. How about: > [@Finn](#): > > As usual, Spoke is lying. What he actually suggested was that there was a group of Jews secretly acting on a plan to keep gentiles out and promote Jews to the highest levels of power. Spoke claims that this is a “Flat lie”. Is that true, or is Spoke (again) lying in order to claim that someone else is lying? [ > [@Spoke](#): > > Jews are very well represented in the upper echelons in a number of fields (a fact which, just so you’re clear, causes me no resentment whatsoever). However, they are NOT as dominant in those other fields as they seem to be in the ranks of management in Hollywood. > […] > Here’s the article which prompted the OP and which seems to be saying that nearly all of the upper management in the entertainment industry is Jewish. If all the studio heads are Jewish, and most of the upper management is Jewish, I think it’s a fair bet that similar percentages of lower management in the entertainment industry are Jewish. (Assuming promotion from within the ranks.) > > Those numbers for lower management are not available, so the evidence we do have is suggestive, but not conclusive. > > The numbers among upper management are so skewed that they might provide encouragement to a discrimination lawyer with an aggrieved client in his lobby. The actual numbers in lower management, as well as the hiring practices in the affected companies, would be factual matters that would have to be fleshed out during the discovery process. (Depositions, written discovery, etc.) > […] > It seems to me like a lawsuit might clear the air. If there is are no discriminatory hiring practices at work, evidence adduced in discovery should disclose that fact, and put the idea to rest. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13061781&postcount=226](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13061781&postcount=226)) And of course, with standard JAQing Off: [ > [@Spoke](#): > > FTR, even though the court referred to discrimination against minorities, the law prohibits all discrimination based on ethnicity, whether or not the aggrieved party is a minority. > > And again, just to be clear, I am not saying that discrimination is definitely going on. It would take discovery to establish that. I am just saying the facts in the OP are suggestive, and would be very encouraging to a discrimination lawyer with an aggrieved client in his lobby. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13065095&postcount=252](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13065095&postcount=252)) Yep, again not only not a “flat lie”, but what I said was true. But wait, there’s more! Order within the next 30 minutes and mention this post, and you get a bonus “Those evil Jews would even get in my way, were I to try to make it in Hollywood!” [ > [@Spoke](#): > > On the other hand, if I want to pursue a career in Hollywood, it looks like there may be some roadblocks to success. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13029290&postcount=150](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13029290&postcount=150)) How about a real easy one: > [@Finn](#): > > He claimed that we should file a lawsuit against the Jews of Hollywood Well, I’ve just quoted and cited him several times saying exactly that, but how about another few? [ > [@Spoke](#): > > On the other hand, the overwhelming numbers in the entertainment industry suggest that something more than cultural emphasis on achievement is going on. > > Look, everybody knows that connections matter in finding a job. And the numbers suggest to me that a good-old-boy network may be at play in Hollywood. And that’s exactly the sort of thing that leads to successful discrimination lawsuits. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13009329&postcount=110](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13009329&postcount=110)) [ > [@Spoke](#): > > Well, I’m just a simple country lawyer, but yes, you’re right, there are laws. And what I am saying is that these numbers suggest that the industry is ripe for litigation. > > Employment discrimination is subtle and difficult to prove, but one method of proving it is with statistical evidence. And those statistics look overwhelming. Todderbob is quite right that you’d need to know more particulars about hiring practices in the industry and circumstances in particular cases. That’s what depositions are for. If I were a disappointed but well-qualified jobseeker (or an attorney who represented one), I’d seriously think about pursuing a claim. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12995089&postcount=66](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12995089&postcount=66)) I’m not going to go through the rest, since it’s pretty obvious that Spoke is now reduced to lying in order to claim that the facts are lies, but ah well, I was bored. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/514 "2011-03-22T10:10:36Z")
Never, ever, ever ask Finn for cites. It’s like asking a tiger if it has fangs. It never ends up well for the person asking. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/515 "2011-03-22T12:03:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Your posts are my cite. > > Go to any of the threads about muslims and there you are saying that muslims are suspect. I think you even jumped on the whole “its the Quran that makes them that way” bandwagon until it was shown how stupid that statement was considering the history of the world from about 200 AD to about 1900 AD. > > Of course you don’t mean that there aren’t some good muslims but in order to get all the bad ones we have to look at all the muslims, otherwise we might miss one. Isn’t that pretty much your position? > > So put simply you are a bigot. Its no secret to anyone that has been involved in those threads. > > Like I said, I’d hate to derail a good pitting of someone who deserves to be pitted on a daily basis but if you think that anyone who participates in those threads doesn’t recognize your bigotry then you’ve got another think coming. What you did here is called “moving the goal posts”. Let me explain it for you, dummy. 1. Your claim was that I advocated “investigating every Muslim in the U.S.” 2. Since I know that is not my position I asked you to cite where I said that—even once. 3. You are (unsurprisingly) unable to provide such a cite. 4. Since you can’t provide a cite to back up your claim, what do you do? You move the goal posts by trying to argue that I am a bigot. But look, dummy, that was not the claim you made that I called you on. That’s a conclusion you’ve arrived at. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you’re not entitled to say I hold a specific position that you can not back up with even one site. So, now what might have been written off as a simple mistake on your part turns out to be evidence that you are, in fact, dishonest. Oh, and the other lazy, lame little game you play here, tooting—“your posts are my cite”—is just that: lazy and lame. Either cite or retract. So, I give you another opportunity to demonstrate that either: A. you were wrong, or B. you are, in fact, a dishonest person—and a proud liar at that—willing to lie about someone else, and then stick to it, even when you can not support your claim with even a single cite. So, which is it asshole? Such suspense! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/516 "2011-03-22T13:02:22Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Never, ever, ever ask Finn for cites. It’s like asking a tiger if it has fangs. It never ends up well for the person asking. But they’ll all be from jingoist-Israeli / anti-Arab-bigoted / lie-by-omission sites just as frothy as he is. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/517 "2011-03-22T13:47:21Z")
Like the New York Times, or your own posting history. Yeah, it’s like he just never gives a FoxNews cite for some reason. I mean, it’s not like people should be held to what they say. That’d be _bad_ for people who like to make up shit. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/518 "2011-03-22T15:22:43Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Never, ever, ever ask Finn for cites. It’s like asking a tiger if it has fangs. It never ends up well for the person asking. Rather more like asking a tiger to prove that _I_’ve claimed that I have bigger fangs than the tiger, when what I actually said was that sometimes I eat meat. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Ah, “U mad?” Oh, does that seem like a bad argument? Is it not persuasive to characterize every poster who addresses you as an irate and out of control psychopath? ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/519 "2011-03-22T15:56:09Z")
Thanks for proving yourself a liar, Finn. Here’s what you said, **Finn** : > [@Finn](#): > > He claimed that we had firm information about the number of Jews in upper management positions. Nowhere did I claim that we had “firm information” about the numbers. That is just a lie. What I did say was that the [Joel Stein article](http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19) “ **seems to be saying** that nearly all of the upper management in the entertainment industry is Jewish.” (Note that word “ **seems** ”.) Then I said that “If all the studio heads are Jewish, and most of the upper management is Jewish, I think it’s a fair bet that similar percentages of lower management in the entertainment industry are Jewish.” (Note that word “ **if**.”) How does any of that equate to “We have firm information about the number of Jews in upper management positions”? It doesn’t. In other words, you were lying. (As I said before, the Hollywood numbers cited by Stein don’t suggest anything more sinister to me than a good-old-boy network. You keep trotting out the word “cabal” the better to mis-characterize what I said. I really wonder if you know what “cabal” means. “Cabal” suggests a level of organization and planning much deeper than “Hey, can you get my nephew Lenny a job?” See the difference between a “good-old-boy network” and a “cabal”? No, of course you don’t. Or actually you do, but hey, smearing is fun!) (Hi **E-Sabbath**! Looks like I was wrong about the number of Finn sycophants who would stick it out.) OK **Finn** , you still have more lies to cite. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/520 "2011-03-22T16:03:59Z")
Oh and let me address this one: You said > [@FinnAgain](#): > > He claimed that we should file a lawsuit against the Jews of Hollywood Yeah, that’s still a lie. Nowhere did I say that. I said if Stein’s article is accurate the numbers were inviting an employment discrimination lawsuit. Nothing about “we” or suing “the Jews of Hollywood.” Any suit would of course be against a studio, and it would be brought by a disappointed job seeker not by some vague and sinister “We.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=27)