# FinnAgain is kind of a shitty person. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787 "2011-02-27T08:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/521 "2011-03-22T16:30:24Z")
Sigh. And I suppose I have to address _this_ nonsense (you know, so people don’t think I’m a pig-fucker): > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Anyways, as elaborated on and cited/quoted, Spoke is the kind of racist who’s always on the hunt for “Jewish supremacism” (Run a google search for that phrase and see what you get). “Always on the hunt?” I used that phrase exactly one time, in the thread on the Joel Stein article. **DSeid** repeatedly justified the skewed numbers in Hollywood by pointing to the number of Jewish doctors, lawyers and Nobel prize winners. Frankly his tone struck me as self-congratulatory, so I used the phrase “Jewish supremacist” to describe it. The phrase was of my own coinage. I later apologized to DSeid for using it. Of course **Sherlock Finn** googled the phrase and found that David Duke has used it, and has been screeching “David Duke! David Duke!” ever since. Because of course it’s impossible that two people could independently coin the same phrase. :rolleyes: Besides, smearing is fun! (The David Duke stuff is ludicrous. Not sure what Duke would think of my campaign work for Obama…) OK, now smear on **Finn** , smear on! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/522 "2011-03-22T21:50:08Z")
As predicted, spoke only has JAQing Off, Johnsonesque smears against Jews and hypocritical and dishonest claim that others are doing that to him if they quote his own words, the Fallacy of Malice Aforethought, and calling facts “lies”. Other than that he has got nothing. Also notice that Spooky has predictably used Scientologist tactics and gone right in the attack, as he can’t defend his hunt for Jewish treachery and Jewish Supremacism (a phrase he totally made up himself. Google it to see.) He certainly can not explain how a claim of cultural factors that caused relative success in a limited number of fields was a claim of Jewish “innate superiority” in absolutely “every field” that evinced “bigotry” and “Jewish Supremacism”. But that’s okay too, because it wasn’t his fault, if was his target’s. Oh, and, he kindly forgave his target for saying such things that surely made him sound like a bigoted Jewish Supremacist. This was part of my point in trying to get him to address that strange ‘error’ before he used his standard bag of tricks to argue for why his own quoted words are “lies”. I knew once he had new things to lie about he’d simply go on the attack and ignore that odd ‘mistake’. But insomnia and boredom got the better of me. Such is life. > [@Spoke](#): > > so people don’t think I’m a pig-fucker Johnsonesque smears of Jews followed by hypocritical objection to his own tactics: except what’s at issue are his own quoted, cited claims. > [@](#): > > Always on the hunt To the point where Spooky JAQs Off about Jewish treachery in the US government, or Hollywood, and sees claims of cultural factors and limited relative success as claims if innate superiority in absolutely all fields, and Jewish Sulremacis (seriously, google the phrase, see the hits for the first page or two.) > [@](#): > > **DSeid** repeatedly justified the skewed numbers in Hollywood by pointing to the number of Jewish doctors, lawyers and Nobel prize winners. Here Spooky is simply lying. The actual exchange has already been cited by me. DSeid explained by he thought that Jews, continually dispossessed, unable to carry anything but their ideas and living on-and-between the margins of many societies allowed them to trade in and recombine ideas. He pointed out that such a dynamic would work well in entertainment, where it’s all about ideas. He also pointed out that with the rise of the internet, this cultural adaptation was largely obsolete. > [@](#): > > Frankly his tone struck me as self-congratulatory, so I used the phrase “Jewish supremacist” to describe it. As most racists are pretty cowardly, Spoke just so happens to ignore (again) the fact that he read claims of cultural factors which prodocuded relative successes in limited fields as innate supperiority in absolutely every field. Just like somehow he ignores the fact that there would still be a huge difference between “advantages offered by Jewish culture” and Jewish Supremacism (a phrase he totally didn’t get from David Duke, and not any other of the rackets who use it. Google it to see how infrequently it’s used by racists) > [@](#): > > I later apologized to DSeid for using it. Here Spooky is lying, again. He offered a nonpology only for calling him a bigot, but blamed other people for his actions. Later he said he had only offered that nonpoligy out of giving DSeid the benefit of the doubt, what with him talking about innate Jewish superiority and unrepresentative success is absolutely every field. > [@](#): > > **Sherlock Finn** googled the phrase and found that David Duke has used it Point of information: Spooky is stupid and ignorant, but I like to read things rather than urinate on them. I was well aware of the pedigree on the phrase that he “made up himself”, which is why I mentioned it. > [@](#): > > (The David Duke stuff is ludicrous. Not sure what Duke would think of my campaign work for Obama…) Point of basic logic: an anti-Semite might very well take the same stances as another anti-Semite on Jews (see Duke and Spooky on Jewish Dual Loyalty and Jewish Supremacism), while not agreeing on other groups that are hated. > [@Spoke](#): > > “ **seems** ” JAQing Off: much like Troofers who say that it sure seems like the towers weren’t just brought down by planes. Also check out the quote that spoke is referring to (which, erm, I cited abd quoted) which makes clear that he was answering a question about the relevancy and comprehensiveness of claims about Jewish dominance of Hollywood. Not simply what those claims were. > [@](#): > > upper management is Jewish JAQing Off: ‘The article says it, I’m just supporting it and using it to allege a cabal, but I’ve never specifically said how the explosives got onto WT7.’ > [@](#): > > How does any of that equate to “We have firm information about the number of Jews in upper management positions”? JAQing Off: ‘the article only could find just five non-Jews in upper management and we should sue Hollywood to see if a cabal is operating to help Jews at the expense of Gentiles based on that information. What do you mean I’m making claims? I’m Just Asking Questions here, whyiautta…’ > [@](#): > > anything more sinister to me than a good-old-boy network. […] “Hey, can you get my nephew Lenny a job?” Fallacy of Malice Aforethought: a group that operates in a plan to secretly aid their own at the expense of others fits the very denotationmof a cabal. Unless spooky is claiming that they don’t do it in secret (he’s not). Or that Jews are so clannish that they just spontaneously conspire to secretly aid Jews at the expense of Gentiles and that the Jews who “overwhelmingly” dominate Hollywood are less interested in getting the best applicant for the job and maximizing profits, and more interested in helping other members of the clan (he might be). Plus bonus JAQing Off about how applicants for upper management are vetted and installed by boards of directors by people asking them to find a job somewhere for their cousin. > [@](#): > > Or actually you do, but hey, smearing is fun! Johnsonesque smears with a hypocritical dislike of them once his own words, rather than baseless accusations are at issue: ‘Hey, let’s say that the Jews of Hollywood have formed a cabal to advance other Jews at the expense of Gentiles, and that we should sue them.’ ‘But Lyndon, you know that’s not true.’ ‘Sure, but let’s make the bastards deny it!’ > [@Spoke](#): > > I said if Stein’s article is accurate the numbers were inviting an employment discrimination lawsuit. JAQing Off: repeated allegations about a cabal and suing Hollywood to ferret it out. Fallacy of Malice Aforethought: he simply repeatedly said that Jews were the ones doing the discriminating and filled upper management, and Hollywood should be sued in a legal fishing expedition… not that Jews should be sued :rolleyes: Also, that they should be sued to discover what the cabal is up to, but he specifically didn’t use the word “we”, just said that other people should sue them, and somehow the word “we” is sinister. It seems. Q.E.motherfuckingD. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/523 "2011-03-22T22:03:43Z")
Still waiting… > [@FinnAgain](#): > > As usual, Spoke is lying. What he actually suggested was that there was a group of Jews secretly acting on a plan to keep gentiles out and promote Jews to the highest levels of power. Flat lie. Cite? > [@](#): > > He claimed that it was clear that a Jewish cabal had taken over Hollywood Flat lie. Cite? > [@](#): > > He’s claimed, for example, that Jewish members of the US government need to be subjected to loyalty tests because they might be engaged in treachery. Flat lie. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/524 "2011-03-22T22:16:13Z")
You’re funny. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/525 "2011-03-22T22:33:21Z")
And you’re a liar. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/526 "2011-03-22T22:44:16Z")
Oh, and, sorry folks about all the many, many typos above. That’s part of why I hate the iPhone client and prefer to use my laptop when at all possible. Having to wear my glasses just to see what’s on the tiny iScreen doesn’t help. Oh and, also: With the number of lies you were just caught in Spoke, I’m sure most people will understand the reason why I’m not going to take the time to cite more things (two of which are things you’re demanding cites for, that I’ve already just proven, with cites and quotes of your own words.) Anyways, as you’re a racist and a liar: > [@](#): > > Also notice that Spooky has predictably used Scientologist tactics and gone right in the attack, as he can’t defend his hunt for Jewish treachery and Jewish Supremacism (a phrase he totally made up himself. Google it to see.) > He certainly can not explain how a claim of cultural factors that caused relative success in a limited number of fields was a claim of Jewish “innate superiority” in absolutely “every field” that evinced “bigotry” and “Jewish Supremacism”. > But that’s okay too, because it wasn’t his fault, if was his target’s. Oh, and, he kindly forgave his target for saying such things that surely made him sound like a bigoted Jewish Supremacist. > > This was part of my point in trying to get him to address that strange ‘error’ before he used his standard bag of tricks to argue for why his own quoted words are “lies”. I knew once he had new things to lie about he’d simply go on the attack and ignore that odd ‘mistake’. But insomnia and boredom got the better of me. Such is life. How about you answer that, and explain how cultural factors that cause relative success in limited fields is “innate superiority” in “every field” and evidence of “Jewish Supremacism”, before I even consider playing your game for another round and kicking you in your head, again. I don’t really like getting shit on my shoes, so you’ve got to make it worth my while. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/527 "2011-03-22T23:55:42Z")
The most startling revelation in this thread is that **Finn** has a wife. Imagine the shrill accusations of anti-Semitism every time she refuses to suck his tiny little schlong! Oh, wait…is she Jewish? OK, accusations of being a self-loathing Jew, then. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/528 "2011-03-22T23:58:39Z")
How could I have predicted that “answer how cultural factors producing success in limited fields is really innate superiority in absolutely all fields and Jewish Supremacism” would be answered with “lol, you call everybody an anti-semite and here’s a blowjob joke about your wife!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/529 "2011-03-23T00:20:37Z")
This ain’t a debate thread sparky, it’s your (100th or so) pitting. I’ve been around these parts since '99 and have generated a grand total of 1 pitting by…hmm…let’s see…oh yeah, it was by _you_, [for not sympathizing sufficiently with your struggles as a budding genius](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6152138#post6152138). And anyway, you’re just trying to change the subject from your inability to cite your lies. Still waiting. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/530 "2011-03-23T00:34:05Z")
Predictably, you’re lying about the reason you were pitted, and using the bandwagon fallacy to allege that the five or so times I’ve been pitted prove anything but that I make idiots angry. We already know that. And as pointed out in the linked pit thread, your advice was to engage in calculated dishonesty. You haven’t even changed your pattern. Now, yet again, as I was shown to be correct about everything you really did say, and I just proved it with cites of your own words (that sent you lying in a pattern that I predicted), playing your game really isn’t all that amusing for me. So, again, what other than your obvious racism caused you to claim that a statement about cultural factors leading to relative success in limited fields was a claim of “innate Jewish superiority” and dominance is “every field” that showed that the person saying it was a Jewish “bigot” and a “Jewish Supremacist”? It’s okay, everybody reading along will know what it means if you try to change the subject (again) or after I just provided cites and quotes of your own words that you (predictably) lied about, what your demands are really about. Or talk more about my wife and oral sex, I guess. Same diff. But until you answer that very simple question I refuse to be further baited by you. Grow old and rot, racist scum. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/531 "2011-03-23T00:47:35Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > Still waiting… > > > [@FinnAgain](#): > > > > As usual, Spoke is lying. What he actually suggested was that there was a group of Jews secretly acting on a plan to keep gentiles out and promote Jews to the highest levels of power. > > Flat lie. Cite? > > > [@](#): > > > > He claimed that it was clear that a Jewish cabal had taken over Hollywood > > Flat lie. Cite? > > > [@](#): > > > > He’s claimed, for example, that Jewish members of the US government need to be subjected to loyalty tests because they might be engaged in treachery. > > Flat lie. Cite? Still waiting… (And quit trying to change the subject.) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/532 "2011-03-23T02:14:52Z")
You sure you’re not staring too long into the Abyss, **Spokey**? ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/533 "2011-03-23T03:35:30Z")
But there’s a big ol’ catfish down there! I’m sure of it! ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/534 "2011-03-23T05:07:28Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Ah well, anyways, insomnia is fun but boredom sucks. > > So, most of Villa’s many errors and lies have been dealt with, but it’s worth it to point one more out. As stated earlier, Villa is literally a rage-fueled crazy person who is, quite possibly, a danger to himself and others. The fury he fell into upon merely being asked for a _link_ demonstrates that. Readers should check the original thread to see his constant lying and dishonest editing in the wild, such as it is. Here they can see that, for instance, I did not just state that the (correct) definition I provided was factual, but pointed out that ["Definitions vary depending on which states we’re talking about but I was using that one, as I pointed out in the post you’re cherry-picking that from. (Weren’t you the one who went into a fit of hysterical shrieking because I responded to your comments but didn’t quote the entire posts?) "](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13581524&postcount=323) Please, check the original thread. I will stand by everything I said there. I’d love people to. Especially to see how you ran away when called on your lies and other assorted bullshit. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > As it happened, I cited the NY definition which clearly lists “forcible compulsion” as a metric that can be used, absent any other metric. Forcible compulsion is: [simply the use or threat of force.](http://www.slc.edu/offices-services/security/assault/Penal_Law.html) Villa’s nonsensical rambling was that this is not true, since (allegedly) it’s different in New Jersey. Yes, the NY definition, and the CA definition you cited were accurate. But **your original claim was inaccurate** , and the two laws you cited to showed exactly why. Your original claim discussed only force. You did not include the absence of consent element. To claim that is supported by two laws that clearly include both the force and the absence of consent element is either a flat out lie, or a complete and utter inability to understand the law. You are punching out of your weight class on this one. Your original quote that I responded to was: [QUOTE=FinnAgain] Those are two separate issues. Rape would be the use of force, or the threat of force to obtain anal, oral or vaginal penetration. Or that penetration with someone who can not consent for various reasons, or who does not consent to you and is tricked into such as identical twins ‘sharing’ a partner, or what have you. [/QUOTE] The key part is as follows: [QUOTE=FinnAgain] Rape would be the use of force, or the threat of force to obtain anal, oral or vaginal penetration. [/QUOTE] This is simply incorrect as a legal definition. You failed to include the absence of consent element. You were wrong. Because you don’t understand the law, you assumed that lack of consent is demonstrated by use of force. It isn’t. I mentioned New Jersey law because it is relevant, in that it demonstrates the importance of the consent element by demonstrating how it is not wrapped up in the force element. I am sorry if you don’t understand what elements of a crime are, but if you seek to have legal discussions, you really should learn it. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Now, as for his quoting me about a cite, naturally as he’s not only dishonest but a hypocrite, he’s dishonesty editing the post and not linking it, so that he can hide the context (as he’s not terribly bright, he’s also ignoring every word past the word “cite”). The fact that I was discussing a cite _that everybody could read themselves_ (rather obviously, online), and not hard copy that people would have to track down and type out by hand, is something that Villa knows full well. He’s simply lying about it. He knows this, [because I explained it to him at some length.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13585327&postcount=366) But he’s still paranoid enough to think that while Margin brought up his claims and I only responded to her, that I was doing so out of some nefarious intent to avoid the other thread. > > Such is life. No, you repeatedly claimed I hadn’t provided a cite. I did. I accept it isn’t a link, and have never claimed it was a link. I don’t know if the Ms. Survey is online. It may be, it may not be. It is a seminal part of the study of the phenomenon of acquaintance rape in the US. I cited to it. You cried Now you try to say I am ignoring every word other than cite. You deliberately used the word “link” before, and have repeatedly said how important it was you used that word. Now you are trying to claim that your use of the word “cite” should be read not in its plain sense, but in a sense which you in your fantasy world meant. That’s dishonest and disingenuous. Kind of your MO, really. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/535 "2011-03-23T05:09:49Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Oh, and, sorry folks about all the many, many typos above. That’s part of why I hate the iPhone client and prefer to use my laptop when at all possible. Having to wear my glasses just to see what’s on the tiny iScreen doesn’t help. No one reads your posts, you idiot. Most of us, unlike you, have lives. How long do you actually spend out here during each day? To crank out as much shit as you do, it must be in the hours/day. You have a very real problem. When you reach double digit hours (if you haven’t already), maybe you should put the computer down and walk away. I still can’t believe you are married, but if you are, I can certainly understand why your wife would rather you be on the computer all night instead of being with her. You are a special type of crazy. You typed all that shit from an iPhone? My god, you must be a fun guy to sit next to on the bus. Before the internet, I wonder what someone like you would do with all of these hours of time? I’m guessing a serial murderer or an inventor. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/536 "2011-03-23T05:26:28Z")
Folks should recognize that Villa is perhaps a pathological liar. I have already cited that under NY law, “forcible compulsion” alone, used to obtain sex is ground for rape. As cited (and I think Villa’s phrase would be “dishonestly ignored out”) I provided a link to NY’s definition of legal terms that states forcible compulsion means using or threatening force. His nonsense about ‘not mentioning consent’ or NJ’s laws seems to be some sort of vestigial dishonesty. Likewise his initial bout of rage was when I asked for a link, and he is lying when he claims I said he didn’t provide a cite. As pointed out, what actually happened was that I pointed out the a cite to hard copy wasn’t something that people could read for themselves in an online medium and that someone would have to track down the hardcopy and type it out by hand to discuss it. Villa not only knows this, but I just cited the post in the other thread where I elaborated on exactly that. Evidently villa simply will not admit he’s wrong and rage-fueled, and we’re just left with this vestigial, residual dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/537 "2011-03-23T05:32:18Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Folks should recognize that Villa is perhaps a pathological liar. I have already cited that under NY law, “forcible compulsion” alone, used to obtain sex is ground for rape. As cited (and I think Villa’s phrase would be “dishonestly ignored out”) I provided a link to NY’s definition of legal terms that states forcible compulsion means using or threatening force. His nonsense about ‘not mentioning consent’ or NJ’s laws seems to be some sort of vestigial dishonesty. You stupid, stupid man. “Forcible” includes the force element. “Compulsion” includes the absence of consent element. And don’t claim that you cited to the NY claim at the relevant time, you lying wanker. You cited to it after I called you on it. And as I have shown it says your initial claim was legally incorrect. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Likewise his initial bout of rage was when I asked for a link, and he is lying when he claims I said he didn’t provide a cite. As pointed out, what actually happened was that I pointed out the a cite to hard copy wasn’t something that people could read for themselves in an online medium and that someone would have to track down the hardcopy and type it out by hand to discuss it. Villa not only knows this, but I just cited the post in the other thread where I elaborated on exactly that. > > Evidently villa simply will not admit he’s wrong and rage-fueled, and we’re just left with this vestigial, residual dishonesty. No, you repeatedly said I didn’t provide a cite. I did. You lied. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/538 "2011-03-23T06:06:01Z")
Holy shit. Villa may actually not be too stubborn to admit error and covering it with lies… He may actually believe that physically forcing yourself on someone or threatening them with violence in order to prevent them from stopping you from making them have sex… isn’t rape. Holy shit. “Yeah I beat the shit out of her until she couldn’t physically resist/held a knife to her throat and told her I’d kill her of she screamed, but she didn’t say ‘I don’t consent’, so I didn’t rape her.” Holy. Shit. Compared to that his berserker rage over being asked for a link or continual lying about how anybody claimed he didn’t provide a cite, well, pales. This is one disturbed damaged freak, and I’m really not going to be the one to push him over edge to the point where hurts someone. It seems that even not responding to him directly doesn’t do it, so I’m going to leave this dangerous freak to rant to the aether. Holy shit. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/539 "2011-03-23T06:18:55Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Holy shit. Villa may actually not be too stubborn to admit error and covering it with lies… He may actually believe that physically forcing yourself on someone or threatening them with violence in order to prevent them from stopping you from making them have sex… isn’t rape. Holy shit. Do you read what other people write in response to you? You don’t understand what the elements of a crime entail. You don’t understand what the force element entails. And that is why I included New Jersey in the discussion. As I said, the law there is that the force element is satisfied by the act of penetration itself. I can even give you a cite to the case itself from that state. But it is going to be a cite, not a link, so you might have to go looking for it yourself. You were wrong. You got the law wrong. It’s OK. You aren’t a lawyer. You don’t make your living this way (with good reason). The law isn’t always what a layman thinks it is. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/540 "2011-03-23T06:26:55Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Compared to that his berserker rage over being asked for a link or continual lying about how anybody claimed he didn’t provide a cite, well, pales. This is one disturbed damaged freak, and I’m really not going to be the one to push him over edge to the point where hurts someone. It seems that even not responding to him directly doesn’t do it, so I’m going to leave this dangerous freak to rant to the aether. > > Holy shit. Sorry - I missed this at first. So we have the same thing as in the other thread. “Villa has proved me wrong legally, so I am going to lie, and then say that I won’t respond to him because I am scared he may hurt me.” You fucking pathetic worm. I have not, and never would, threaten anyone physically online. You have absolutely no evidence I have made physical threats, or that I am a physical danger to anyone. I consider such an allegation highly defamatory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=28)