# FinnAgain is kind of a shitty person. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787 "2011-02-27T08:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/161 "2011-03-01T08:34:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I have seen this sort of thing before. I had a partner who was about the smartest most logical person you could ever meet but he lost all reason when it came to Israel. > > Finn not only undercuts the argument for Israel, the mere act of criticizing Israel gets you about 80% of the way to being an anti-semite in his book. He doesn’t usually call you an anti-semite, he just implies it by asking why in the world you would spend so much energy on criticizing Israel when there are so many worse things to criticize, gee Finn wonders why you might do that. Or he accuses you of having an agenda, (never really saying what he thinks your agenda is, he just accuses you of having one). Dude, stop playing the victim. I’ve said extremely negative things about Israel and have yet to have him imply that I was some sort of anti-Semite. Maybe it’s the fact that you make extremely dumb comments regarding the conflict to the point where you classify Arafat and Saddam Hussein as Islamists and when I mentioned the Arabists in the State Department you sarcastically asked about Henry Kissinger and Madeline Albright(probably because they were Jewish) which would have caused any true Arabist to piss themselves laughing since Henry Kissinger practically was an Arabist and the Arabists were, and generally still are, big fans of him and even bigger fans of Baker. Granted, your response made it pretty clear you had absolutely no idea what an Arabist was which shows just how superficial your understanding of the conflict is. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/162 "2011-03-01T08:51:08Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Dude, stop playing the victim. Damnit, he spent good money on that cross and he’s going to use it! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/163 "2011-03-01T08:59:47Z")
Sorry for the double post, but I just noticed something and I’d rather not let fiction take the place of facts. I’m not debating with the angry idiot, but I would like to point out for those reading along: > [@](#): > > See, that’s where accusations of hypocrisy have currency. In pittings, not GD. The accusation occurred in the Pit. In fact, in a thread called “Der Trihs Pitting du jour.” One might take that as a hint as to which forum it occurred in. As always, readers can judge for themselves what that bit of rage-fueled stupidity indicates about the person who voiced it. ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/164 "2011-03-01T10:46:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ignorance is _bris_. _golf clap_ ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/165 "2011-03-01T11:46:45Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > The accusation occurred in the Pit. You know what, that’s a good point. My bad. I guess that cancels everything out. You microcephalic baboon. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/166 "2011-03-01T12:38:14Z")
If I were constantly bested by **FinnAgain** in debate I guess I’d think he was kind of a shitty person too. That’s gotta rankle. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/167 "2011-03-01T12:43:43Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Mods tend to be a little lax with him, given his permanent agrressive tone, so he seems to take that as encouragement. I guess it’s just the village idiot’s treatment. Mods have a heart too. No. I think that Mods are lax with him in the same way they are lax with several different debating points which–although they end up leading to the very opposite of fighting ignorance–happen to be sacred cows which the Board Powers are very afraid to touch. Examples are: 1. **FinnAgain** ’s personal bugaboo–the legitimacy of the state of Israel; 2. Rape being predominantly a crime about sex, not violence; 3. Alcoholics Anonymous being anything but an irrational, and therefore damaging approach to treating so-called “alcoholism” (more properly known as ‘alcohol dependence’, and often confused with ‘alcohol abuse’); 4. Theism existing as a belief worthy of the respect due to any other thing that can actually shown to exist. That’s just off the top of my head–I’m sure there are more issues that the leaders of the message board that purports to “fight ignorance” won’t dare touch… but the topic of Israel is near the very top of the list of scaaaaaaaaary untouchables for TPTB at the SDMB, thus \*\*FinnAgain \*\*and his utterly senseless uber-drooling gets a free pass… In 'Merikuh-- you just don’t diss them Jews. “Fighting ignorance” or not–it jus don’t matter-- they suffered so mightily during WWII (and no doubt before) that they simply can NOT do anything wrong, and obviously deserve a nifty parcel of land (made nation) as a consolation prize. Right?? Just ask Finn… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/168 "2011-03-01T13:09:51Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > No. I think that Mods are lax with him Well, that could be it. Or it could be the fact that I don’t violate the rules in GD. Tough call, eh? > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > sacred cows which the Board Powers are very afraid to touch. > […]the legitimacy of the state of Israel Are you out of your gourd? There are few subjects that are debated more fiercely, with less information and with more certainty than those who are arguing the anti-Israel position. What boards have you been reading, anyway? > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > utterly senseless This is actually a pretty good clue that you’re, to put it gently, out of touch with reality. It’s telling, of course, that you can’t refute my arguments in GD, so instead all you can do is rant in the Pit about how they’re “senseless”. As is usual, just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it makes no sense. > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > In 'Merikuh-- you just don’t diss them Jews. Yah… and don’t “diss them blacks” or “diss them gays” or, well, anything else. Or did you have a point? And why are you talking about “them Jews” anyways? I thought you were trying to discuss the state of Israel. Shouldn’t that be “don’t diss them Israelis?” > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > they suffered so mightily during WWII (and no doubt before) that they simply can NOT do anything wrong, and obviously deserve a nifty parcel of land (made nation) Ah, two bits of bullshit. You nearly had a hat trick going. Of course, the only people who claim that “Israel can do no wrong” are folks who are extremely frustrated that the anti-Israel arguments that they just _know_ to be right keep getting scythed down by pesky facts. The lie that anybody has claimed that Israel can “do not wrong” is actually a very good shibboleth that distinguishes those whose arguments have utterly failed, and who have to resort to making shit up to even attempt to stay in the game. The second bit of bullshit was that anybody gave Israel a “parcel of land” or “made” it a nation. The UN did nothing other than write words on a piece of paper, and the members of the UN were quite pointed in their comments that they would not even go that far in their support if Israel would not be responsible for its own defense; exhausted by WWII no nation was willing to ‘make’ Israel a nation. What actually happened was that after the British withdrew, those people living there fought a civil war and a war against an invading seven nation army. Against that backdrop the proto-Israelis created Israel themselves and brought the nation into existence by exercising sovereign control through well established administrative bodies. But I suppose that it can be much easier to simply rant about how that’s all “senseless” and get angry at a mod bias that doesn’t actually exist in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/169 "2011-03-01T13:31:18Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > In 'Merikuh-- you just don’t diss them Jews. Interesting. Of course, the topic _was_ Israel. Supposedly. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/170 "2011-03-01T13:48:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Interesting. > > Of course, the topic _was_ Israel. > > Supposedly. Too true. Yet I sense there is some connection, in most Americans’ minds, between the “Jewish State” of Israel, and the Jewish people. Like you, I do indeed find that interesting. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/171 "2011-03-01T14:33:54Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > No. I think that Mods are lax with him in the same way they are lax with several different debating points which–although they end up leading to the very opposite of fighting ignorance–happen to be sacred cows which the Board Powers are very afraid to touch. > > Examples are: > > 1. **FinnAgain** ’s personal bugaboo–the legitimacy of the state of Israel; > > 2. Rape being predominantly a crime about sex, not violence; > > 3. Alcoholics Anonymous being anything but an irrational, and therefore damaging approach to treating so-called “alcoholism” (more properly known as ‘alcohol dependence’, and often confused with ‘alcohol abuse’); > > 4. Theism existing as a belief worthy of the respect due to any other thing that can actually shown to exist. > > That’s just off the top of my head–I’m sure there are more issues that the leaders of the message board that purports to “fight ignorance” won’t dare touch… but the topic of Israel is near the very top of the list of scaaaaaaaaary untouchables for TPTB at the SDMB, thus \*\*FinnAgain \*\*and his utterly senseless uber-drooling gets a free pass… > > In 'Merikuh-- you just don’t diss them Jews. > > “Fighting ignorance” or not–it jus don’t matter-- they suffered so mightily during WWII (and no doubt before) that they simply can NOT do anything wrong, and obviously deserve a nifty parcel of land (made nation) as a consolation prize. > > Right?? > > Just ask Finn… Fairly objective poster here. Your post drips of stupidity. sorry, but true. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/172 "2011-03-01T14:45:40Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Fairly objective poster here. Listen to the man, he’s from Jersey. Aint nothing extraordinary happening in Jersey. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/173 "2011-03-01T15:03:36Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > full of shit […] bigotry […] bigotry. […] bigoted […] bigotry, […] bigotry. […] bigoted. […] bigots, […] Bigots […] bigotry. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > trolling. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > bigotry […] bigotry, […] bigot […] racist […] full of shit and dishonest […] bigotry, 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/174 "2011-03-01T15:09:28Z")
SFG, you’re so smart. In a discussion over whether or not a comment evinced bigotry, I used the word “bigot” and its adjectival form. You caught it, yay, go you! You’ve sure made your point that in discussing bigotry, people will tend to use that word. I’m sure you have something very valuable to do, like counting the numbers of hair on a neighbor’s cat, and I promise that we’ll be okay here without your quality contributions. Please, don’t worry about us, we’ll get by. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/175 "2011-03-01T15:15:57Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > SFG, you’re so smart. In a discussion over whether or not a comment evinced bigotry, I used the word “bigot” and its adjectival form. You caught it, yay, go you! You’ve sure made your point that in discussing bigotry, people will tend to use that word. > > I’m sure you have something very valuable to do, like counting the numbers of hair on a neighbor’s cat, and I promise that we’ll be okay here without your quality contributions. Please, don’t worry about us, we’ll get by. **SFG** is clearly sending you a message that you need to dust off your internet thesaurus. Try, “racist” instead of “bigot”, or “angling” instead of “trolling”, or…well you get the idea. 🙂 'Ol **Guns** is trying to help you out there, **Finn**. Very neighborly of him/her. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/176 "2011-03-01T16:08:08Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > bigotry, […] “bigot” […] bigotry > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > **SFG** is clearly sending you a message that you need to dust off your internet thesaurus. I actually [started doing it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13377877#post13377877) after \*\*Giraffe \*\*made [a parody post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13377696#post13377696) of \*\*Finn \*\*that was spot-on. It was just so surreal that I kept going. > [@](#): > > him/her. : points to ladyparts : ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/177 "2011-03-01T16:38:02Z")
Yes. It was stupid and trollish when he decided to totally ignore the veracity of my claims and instead poke me with a stick simply for making correct statements that happen to flip some sort of linguistic trigger in him. You’re not even being original in your idiocy. Giraffe was freaking out because someone used the word “cat” at a cat show. You, in turn, are just aping that spastic flailing. The really sad thing is that you actually think your second hand bullshit is clever. Rather obviously trying to give someone a hard time for simply using the words “bigot” or “racist” in the context of them making a factually grounded accusation of bigotry/racism is a pretty obvious attempt to piss someone off simply for the sake of pissing them off. As if freaking out over the word “racist” being used in a Pit thread where a poster was being accused of racism was somehow sane or rational. (Despite his patently obvious faux ‘kind concern’ for me, Giraffe never could show how I was wrong or identify a way of making the accusations I made that wouldn’t make him spaz out, all while denying that he was simply needling me for making accurate claims that he just couldn’t deal with.) Your Me Too! routine doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence, but why don’t you try honestly discussing the issue? or just highlight certain words in this post and I’ll know your answer to the question below. Here, I’ll put the same question to you that I put to him: show how I’m wrong or concede the fact that you neither know nor care if my claims are correct and you’re simply trying to provoke a negative reaction from me without knowing or caring if what I’ve said is true or not. That is, you’re trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/178 "2011-03-01T16:45:48Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Yes. It was stupid and trollish when he decided to totally ignore the veracity of my claims and instead poke me with a stick simply for making correct statements that happen to flip some sort of linguistic trigger in him. > > You’re not even being original in your idiocy. Giraffe was freaking out because someone used the word “cat” at a cat show. You, in turn, are just aping that spastic flailing. The really sad thing is that you actually think your second hand bullshit is clever. Rather obviously trying to give someone a hard time for simply using the words “bigot” or “racist” in the context of them making a factually grounded accusation of bigotry/racism is a pretty obvious attempt to piss someone off simply for the sake of pissing them off. As if freaking out over the word “racist” being used in a Pit thread where a poster was being accused of racism was somehow sane or rational. (Despite his patently obvious faux ‘kind concern’ for me, Giraffe never could show how I was wrong or identify a way of making the accusations I made that wouldn’t make him spaz out, all while denying that he was simply needling me for making accurate claims that he just couldn’t deal with.) Your Me Too! routine doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence, but why don’t you try honestly discussing the issue? > or just highlight certain words in this post and I’ll know your answer to the question below. > > Here, I’ll put the same question to you that I put to him: show how I’m wrong or concede the fact that you neither know nor care if my claims are correct and you’re simply trying to provoke a negative reaction from me without knowing or caring if what I’ve said is true or not. That is, you’re trolling. Hey Finn, any chance you’ll give me the apology you owe me? I’d like to think you have the integrity to admit when you over reacted. You said: > [@](#): > > Again, Clowny was accused of defending a racist because he was defending Red, who is an anti-Semite. But of course are you’re just a spiteful idiot, you haven’t addressed the fact that the “numerous times” I called Red an anti-Semite are because he really is an anti-Semite, and I had a textual citation which proved it. And this all started when I said: > [@](#): > > There was one thread I vaguely recall where he was hurling anti-semitism accusations like there were counterspells in Magic The Gathering. I could see some people taking that as trolling. Since you admit to what I said I remembered, maybe you could be adult enough to cop to it? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/179 "2011-03-01T17:04:27Z")
Stop trollng and go away Lobo, you’re neither clever or amusing. Just like you’re ignoring the fact that I pointed out you were lying about “accusations” when I accused one single poster of something, and you used that lie to accuse me of trolling (in ATMB). But you know all that, which is why you’re still trolling about “integrity” and how I owe you an apology for not enjoying having you lie about me and accuse me of trolling. Besides, you’re no fun to kick the shit out of. And you already did me the favor of giving me a thread that draws the usual suspects like moths to a flame and lets me point out their many flaws in one handy omnibus thread. Go away now. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787/180 "2011-03-01T17:07:46Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Stop trollng and go away Lobo, you’re neither clever or amusing. Just like you’re ignoring the fact that I pointed out you were lying about “accusations” when I accused one single poster of something, and you used that lie to accuse me of trolling (in ATMB). You accused him more than once. Over and over again, actually. > [@](#): > > But you know all that, which is why you’re still trolling about “integrity” and how I owe you an apology for not enjoying having you lie about me and accuse me of trolling. I didn’t lie. I posted links to you admitting that you did what I said you did. Why are you afraid of the truth? Doesn’t being dishonest bother you? > [@](#): > > Besides, you’re no fun to kick the shit out of. And you already did me the favor of giving me a thread that draws the usual suspects like moths to a flame and lets me point out their many flaws in one handy omnibus thread. You aren’t winning a single argument here. You’re shouting like a spoiled child. I assumed you were a full grown man. > [@](#): > > Go away now. I’m sorry I’m pointing out that you aren’t an honest person. But I’m not going to stop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/finnagain-is-kind-of-a-shitty-person/572787.md?page=10)