# Fire all phasers and photon torpedoes! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 17, 2002, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379 "2002-07-17T09:35:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Belrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@Belrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belrix)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2002, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/21 "2002-07-18T19:19:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\* > You want good TV SF for the thinking man, B5, baby. Brilliant writing and acting, plus the show has a story arc so that each episode has lasting effects far down the season, and even into later seasons. There are so many foreshadowings in Season One that only make sense by the conclusion of Season Four. \*\* Ah, yes. B5, the Young and the Restless of the Sci-Fi community. I can’t make a religion of watching weekly to keep up with the ever-changing storyline - I like episodic television, where the problem is introduced and resolved with the limits of one episode. Simpler stories? Probably, but better suited to my lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/22 "2002-07-19T06:58:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **You want good TV SF for the thinking man, B5, baby. Brilliant writing and acting, plus the show has a story arc so that each episode has lasting effects far down the season, and even into later seasons. There are so many foreshadowings in Season One that only make sense by the conclusion of Season Four. Characters suffer and die, relationshsips are forged that evolve wildly, as G’Kar and Londo do. You just don’t get that with Next Gen. Now DS9 is a FAR superior show to Next Gen, and I’ll be buying those box sets, especially the latter seasons with the war between the Federation and the Dominion.** I haven’t seen that much of B5, but the writing and acting didn’t seem all that superior to me. And with DS9, I’ve seen more bad episodes than I have with TNG, and I’ve seen a lot more TNG. Although I will admit that DS9 had a much better first season. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/23 "2002-07-19T16:19:47Z")
_Farscape_, folks, I’m telling you… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/24 "2002-07-19T16:37:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*_Farscape_, folks, I’m telling you… > > Esprix \*\* But what of my wresting idea? It will make _millions_ I tell ya… ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/25 "2002-07-19T19:29:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > \*\*But what of my wresting idea? It will make _millions_ I tell ya… \*\* Gay sci-fi geek mud-wrestling? Why does that sound like it needs the phrase “…on the next Jerry Springer.” attached 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/26 "2002-07-19T21:09:28Z")
Actually, I was challenged to a mud wrestling match by a gay sci-fi geek - we were arguing over the same year to bid for the annual queer sci-fi convention, Gaylaxicon. Now that’s geeky! 😃 Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/27 "2002-07-20T17:34:12Z")
Actually, **Esprix** , I got ya’ beat for gay geekiness. I attended the first ever YAOI-con in San Francisco in August 2001 to discuss, view, and read “homoerotic Japanese animation and comic books.” 😃 I’m amazed at what you can get on Japanese television. You can’t even get a gay kiss on American television half the time. In Japan, _Boku no Sexual Harassment_, which is basically gay soft-core except it’s not all that soft. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/28 "2002-07-20T17:40:13Z")
Can’t we all just agree thata Babylon 5 was the best sci-fi show ever? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/29 "2002-07-20T17:52:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Gay sci-fi geek mud-wrestling? Can I have permission to quietly die of lust over here in the corner? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/30 "2002-07-20T18:03:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\* > > Can I have permission to quietly die of lust over here in the corner? \*\* Permission granted. I will do the same right next to you. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2002, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/31 "2002-07-21T00:21:14Z")
> [@](#): > > IMO, Star Trek and Star Wars have inadvertently driven a stake into the heart of intelligent science fiction. Hey, now, only a moron would call Star Wars “science fiction”. It’s space opera, dammit. Learn the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2002, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/32 "2002-07-21T03:15:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\* > Hey, now, only a moron would call Star Wars “science fiction”. It’s space opera, dammit. Learn the difference. \*\* Yes what an idiot, I bet he didn’t attend school. Star wars is a space opera (wich sometimes it is also called crap). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2002, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379/33 "2002-07-21T03:44:14Z")
For the love of all that is holy and my libido, where in the name of my sweet Aunt Virginia are the lesbian geeks? ARRGH! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-all-phasers-and-photon-torpedoes/119379.md?page=1)