# Fire the Federal Governement!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 25, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713 "2011-10-25T04:22:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/61 "2011-10-27T14:18:35Z")
This may be the break the Mcain campaign has been waiting for! ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/62 "2011-10-27T16:29:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Interesting take on public opinion in that article. It seems to be making the point that public disapproval against the government is growing as exemplified by the Occupy Wall Street movement and polls which indicate a majority of Americans think “the policies of Congressional Republicans favor the rich… object to tax cuts for corporations … prefer increasing income taxes on millionaires … (and) that the distribution of wealth in the country should be more equitable”. And the conclusion the writer draws from this dissatisfaction is that Obama’s chances of re-election could be in trouble. > > Really? He read that list of things people are unhappy about and sees the making of a Herman Cain victory in there? Same newspaper. Different issue. Different article. Different reporter. [No mention of Herman Cain.](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/27/us/politics/obamas-support-among-blacks-remains-strong.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper) ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/63 "2011-10-31T05:45:05Z")
To the OP, I get what you are saying. You see, right now, we got people occupying Wall Street when they should be Occupying Pennsylvania Avenue. There’s thing thing called the Entitlement Generation, who feel that they have a right to everything. A large number of the people at OWS are part of this age group. If they paid attention in history and in Government classes, they’d know that the Constitution only guarantees them Life, Liberty, and the right to Pursue your happiness. The government is NOT going to just give you everything you feel you deserve. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/64 "2011-10-31T05:51:25Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > If they paid attention in history and in Government classes, they’d know that the Constitution only guarantees them Life, Liberty, and the right to Pursue your happiness. The Constitution does no such thing–that’s from the Declaration of Independence. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/65 "2011-10-31T12:20:55Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > To the OP, I get what you are saying. You see, right now, we got people occupying Wall Street when they should be Occupying Pennsylvania Avenue. There’s thing thing called the Entitlement Generation, who feel that they have a right to everything. And they’ll get it if they occupy Pennsylvania Avenue? How does that work? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/66 "2011-10-31T12:43:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And they’ll get it if they occupy Pennsylvania Avenue? How does that work? Because it’s all Obama’s fault, of course! (Not my idea; I’m just interpreting.) Oh, and “The Entitlement Generation”? Did anybody else see the AARP ad on TV in which the gray-haired folks indicated they voted & wanted hands off _their_ entitlements! (I agree with them, in fact.) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/67 "2011-10-31T13:17:14Z")
Only a socialist would mess with senior citizen’s Medicare. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/68 "2011-10-31T14:12:40Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Only a socialist would mess with senior citizen’s Medicare. :mad: Senior **worker,** please! C’mon, Gramma, there’s the whistle, get movin’! ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/69 "2011-10-31T14:25:58Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > To the OP, I get what you are saying. You see, right now, we got people occupying Wall Street when they should be Occupying Pennsylvania Avenue. There’s thing thing called the Entitlement Generation, who feel that they have a right to everything. A large number of the people at OWS are part of this age group. If they paid attention in history and in Government classes, they’d know that the Constitution only guarantees them Life, Liberty, and the right to Pursue your happiness. The government is NOT going to just give you everything you feel you deserve. So they should be harassing the federal government to get the things you don’t feel the federal government should provide them? How could anyone not take such sage advice? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/70 "2011-10-31T14:30:11Z")
Guys! …_gasp_… W-we’ve been the victim of a drive-by… _gasp_ …political ranting of zero-coherence. _oh god the pain_ … I can’t feel my legs… g-go on without me… _oh jesus_ GO DAMMIT!!! ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/71 "2011-10-31T19:29:30Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Because it’s all Obama’s fault, of course! (Not my idea; I’m just interpreting.) > > Oh, and “The Entitlement Generation”? Did anybody else see the AARP ad on TV in which the gray-haired folks indicated they voted & wanted hands off _their_ entitlements! (I agree with them, in fact.) Hey, I got no problem with seniors getting benefits. They worked for their money, and in they end, when they decided to retire, the government they trusted burned them. You must understand. I’m speaking of kids born from 1991 and beyond, feeling that the world should reward them just for being alive. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/72 "2011-10-31T19:58:27Z")
Alabama gets the nuclear weapons. Tom Lehrer said so. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/73 "2011-10-31T19:59:52Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > Hey, I got no problem with seniors getting benefits. They worked for their money, and in they end, when they decided to retire, the government they trusted burned them. You must understand. I’m speaking of kids born from 1991 and beyond, feeling that the world should reward them just for being alive. Yeah, my son-in-law thinking that it might be nice for there to be some jobs open after he graduated from law school is expecting the world to give him a living. :rolleyes: As far as I can tell kids graduating today aren’t looking for a handout, they are looking for a chance to put their skills to use. It doesn’t seem a lot to ask for. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/74 "2011-10-31T20:01:22Z")
> [@Wilson](#): > > Alabama gets the nuclear weapons. Tom Lehrer said so. And I’ll try to stay serene and calm. ---
**Author:** ![gurujulp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba9def/32.png) [@gurujulp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gurujulp)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/75 "2011-10-31T23:10:03Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Yeah, my son-in-law thinking that it might be nice for there to be some jobs open after he graduated from law school is expecting the world to give him a living. :rolleyes: > > As far as I can tell kids graduating today aren’t looking for a handout, they are looking for a chance to put their skills to use. It doesn’t seem a lot to ask for. They have a chance! Now is the time to apply for a small business loan- start your own business and put your skills to use! I know someone who has spent the last two years since layoff putting the business together, and the funds should be in the bank later on this month. Why the rolleyes?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/76 "2011-10-31T23:17:49Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Yeah, my son-in-law thinking that it might be nice for there to be some jobs open after he graduated from law school is expecting the world to give him a living. :rolleyes: > > As far as I can tell kids graduating today aren’t looking for a handout, they are looking for a chance to put their skills to use. It doesn’t seem a lot to ask for. Okay, but how much debt is he in? I’m sure he got some student loans and now he’s paying for it with interest. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/77 "2011-10-31T23:38:32Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > Hey, I got no problem with seniors getting benefits. They worked for their money, and in they end, when they decided to retire, the government they trusted burned them. You must understand. I’m speaking of kids born from 1991 and beyond, feeling that the world should reward them just for being alive. So, this is actually the first time in American history when one can truthfully say “Dagnabbit consarned younger generation thinks the world owes ‘em a livin’ HEY GET OFFA–” etc.? ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/78 "2011-10-31T23:43:50Z")
> [@gurujulp](#): > > They have a chance! Now is the time to apply for a small business loan- start your own business and put your skills to use! > > I know someone who has spent the last two years since layoff putting the business together, and the funds should be in the bank later on this month. > > Why the rolleyes?:dubious: YES! Take out a small-business loan! Drive yourself further into debt! I’m sorry, it’s just that I was taught “debt= Great Satan”, so forgive me if I don’t wish to owe money. I’m sure I could take out a loan and start working in computer repair tomorrow, if I wanted. I have the knowledge and skill to do it, but unless something happens to boost my confidence in my economy, forget that. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/79 "2011-11-01T00:02:17Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > I have the knowledge and skill to do it, but unless something happens to boost my confidence in my economy, forget that. And what would boost your confidence in the economy? Tax cuts? Fewer regulations? Or a large increase in consumer spending and demand for your services? (Hint: one of these is not like the others) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713/80 "2011-11-01T00:51:17Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > YES! Take out a small-business loan! Drive yourself further into debt! I’m sorry, it’s just that I was taught “debt= Great Satan”, so forgive me if I don’t wish to owe money. I’m sure I could take out a loan and start working in computer repair tomorrow, if I wanted. I have the knowledge and skill to do it, but unless something happens to boost my confidence in my economy, forget that. If you’re serious, nothing will boost your confidence. Starting your own small business is a huge risk, no matter what… You just gotta jump, or roll over. I’ve worked my ass off over a decade to get my business off the ground, and I didn’t take out one loan. I work hours around the clock, bend over backwards for my clients, pay my taxes and get raped by health insurance that barely does me any good. And all this too can be yours! Sure beats the hell out of a corporate gig, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fire-the-federal-governement/600713.md?page=5)