# Firearm Violence in the US: 1 person dead every 11 minutes **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 6, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125 "2023-06-06T22:41:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/81 "2023-06-08T18:49:32Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Then I’ll ask: why are firearms used in the vast majority of homicides? A knife is easier to buy than a gun. Why do kids like to play computer games that are nothing but death and destruction? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/82 "2023-06-08T18:50:37Z")
I don’t think you are helping your case with this example. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/83 "2023-06-08T18:52:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m pretty sure most cars will stop running well before they reach 473 separate impacts. Why would they stop running? Do dead bodies clog up the air filter? Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/84 "2023-06-08T18:52:38Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Why do kids like to play computer games that are nothing but death and destruction This statement in no way answers my question regarding firearms and homicides. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/85 "2023-06-08T18:53:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Why would they stop running? Do you think a car hitting a person does no damage to the car? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/86 "2023-06-08T18:54:57Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > This statement in no way answers my question regarding firearms and homicides. Sure it does. People use fire arms to commit crimes because they want to. It gives them satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/87 "2023-06-08T18:55:25Z")
Sure…if everybody stood perfectly still and near the road so that the vehicle(which is armor plated) didn’t take on any other damage, and they were able to go to and through about 70 or eighty bus stops in a row without someone calling the police. And you are filming “Deathrace 2000 2-The Dumb And The Deadly”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/88 "2023-06-08T18:56:12Z")
Again, not helping your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/89 "2023-06-08T19:04:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Sure…if everybody stood perfectly still and near the road so that the vehicle(which is armor plated) didn’t take on any other damage, and they were able to go to and through about 70 or eighty bus stops in a row without someone calling the police. Unlike someone breaching a school building a driver in a vehicle leaves the scene of the crime. The police arrive, throw some yellow tape up and start investigating. Meanwhile the person can continue on a rampage until the police figure out it’s a rampage and can track down the right vehicle. If you focus on methodology then you miss causality. If a person wants to kill then focusing on how they kill does not resolve the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/90 "2023-06-08T19:05:20Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > People use fire arms to commit crimes because they want to. It gives them satisfaction. In lieu of other weapons, amirite? Even though other weapons are easier to procure. Dude, your points are pointless. I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/91 "2023-06-08T19:07:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Unlike someone breaching a school building a driver in a vehicle leaves the scene of the crime. The police arrive, throw some yellow tape up and start investigating. If that is what you actually think would happen, and no more, then I’m with @Railer13. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/92 "2023-06-08T19:10:08Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > In lieu of other weapons, amirite? Even though other weapons are easier to procure. I used computer games for a reason. If someone is striking out against society then it’s likely they will choose the method that most infuriates people. People who play computer games that involve shooting up the enemy must do it for some kind of satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/93 "2023-06-08T19:12:15Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > If someone is striking out against society then it’s likely they will choose the method that most infuriates people. Making bad analogies and assertions on message boards? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/94 "2023-06-08T19:17:51Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Hint: suburbia is not a real threat environment. Neither is the local interstate. Clearly you never lived in Los Angeles: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/yoU39Rpp4FI/hqdefault.jpg "LA Story - Springtime in LA") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoU39Rpp4FI&t=20/) ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/95 "2023-06-08T19:26:59Z")
Man they said a man at a funeral home just shot a pallbearer. I guess they’ll have to put in a snitchbox and search everyone at the door. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/96 "2023-06-08T19:39:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If that is what you actually think would happen, and no more, then I’m with @Railer13. I see news reports of police arriving at the scene of violent crimes all the time with no immediate resolution of who did it or where they went. Many are never found look at 9/11. I was at work looking at aviation weather when I first heard about it. At the time I said something to the affect “you can’t accidentally hit the tallest building in NYC on a clear day. That was a deliberate attack”. How long did it take to stop the attack? Forever. They couldn’t react fast enough. Not 1 gun used. How long has it taken to stop a shooter at any school where the shooting location is known? It takes forever to establish what is happening and there is no way of knowing ahead of time a vehicular attack is an ongoing event and if so, when and where will it happen again. It could be another bus stop. It could driving into a room full of people. It could be next week in a stolen vehicle. Even if you could take every gun away on the planet you’re still stuck with people intent on murder. The problem is a social one and so is the resolution to the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/97 "2023-06-08T19:52:05Z")
I can’t imagine this going anywhere: Title: **Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to End America’s Gun Violence Crisis** > **[Governor Newsom Proposes 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution | California...](https://www.gov.ca.gov/2023/06/08/28th-amendment/)** > > Principles of proposed 28th Amendment broadly supported by the American public and gun owners SACRAMENTO – Today Governor Gavin Newsom proposed a 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/98 "2023-06-08T19:57:20Z")
Gun Grabber!! Slippery Slope!! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/99 "2023-06-08T20:17:10Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > It’s probably that. I know that Canada, UK, Europe, Korea, and Japan don’t play any video games or watch any violent movies. In fact, it’s well known that there are almost no gamers in Japan or Korea. We have the same problem in the UK - just without the added guns. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125/100 "2023-06-08T21:32:21Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > You have a documented history of violent behavior, even simple assault, you don’t get to have a gun. If you’re being held for a domestic violence charge, you temporarily don’t get to have a gun. People who are just charged but not found guilty as assumed innocent in America. I see no reason to change this. However, in some cases Red Flag laws cover your second point. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Title: **Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to End America’s Gun Violence Crisis** Well, it would not end the gun violence crisis, Not even close. The first three are already in place in many states, but by no means has gun violence stopped. And in CA so called “assault weapons” are banned. And this loaded line- \* _Barring civilian purchase of assault weapons that serve no other purpose than to kill as many people as possible in a short amount of time – weapons of war our nation’s founders never foresaw._ The AR15, etc _do_ serve other purposes- they can be used for hunting or home defense. One estimate has 44 million of these in the USA, and clearly not even 1/100000 are used to kill people. Mind you , I would not be opposed to a ban on further sales of such. While indeed they can be used for hunting and home defense, they are better choices in each case. Just dont expect any significant drop in homicides, such weapons are used in around 1% of murders in the USA. Nor would I be opposed to having most of his ideas be Nation wide. But dont expect any miracles. Here are some interring articles by Politifact > **[Fact-checks | PolitiFact](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=guns&ruling=barely-true)** > > PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter. and here is one that comes on point- > **[PolitiFact - Do loose gun laws lead to more gun deaths? Fact-checking Sen....](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/apr/11/chris-murphy/fact-checking-chris-murphy-on-how-much-firearm-law/)** > > Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., one of Congress’ leading advocates of stricter gun laws, recently tweeted a statistic that h • \*Data shows some correlation between looser gun laws and higher gun homicide rates in a state, and vice versa. \* _• But that relationship does not always hold true. Many states with relatively loose gun laws also have low gun homicide rates, and some states with tighter laws have relatively high gun homicide rates._ _• Experts say gun laws are one of several factors that play a role in the gun homicide rate_ So, Newsoms impossible idea might help a little, but by no means would it **End America’s Gun Violence Crisis**!!! Again I ask- _what reasonable gun control idea does anyone have here that would actually significantly reduce violent crime?_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firearm-violence-in-the-us-1-person-dead-every-11-minutes/985125.md?page=6)