# Fired LAPD Cop On a Murderous Rampage in SoCal **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 8, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674 "2013-02-08T03:16:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/201 "2013-02-13T00:33:15Z")
Now they think he might have escaped the cabin. This guy has more than 9 lives and I’m betting the other captive that was in the cabin gets added to the victim list ☹ ---
**Author:** ![chizzuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/202 "2013-02-13T00:50:08Z")
My brother lives in the area of Big Bear off the 18 and the 330, both of which are currently barricaded by the police. I haven’t heard from him yet but I imagine he’s had an interesting afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/203 "2013-02-13T01:33:34Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Well, that settles it doesn’t it? The officers he accused of conspiring against him, were, in fact, a part of his vivid imagination. None of the those things happened and he’s going on a “rampage” for no reason. No wonder there’s so many people here claiming he’s mentally insane, you guys genuinely believe he made that shit up from whole cloth and is now on a killing rampage because he has a warped and delusional view of what really occurred. I can’t say I find it original or intriguing, but it’s convenient as hell. How do you explain all the inconsistencies with his story then? The witnesses are conspiring with the LAPD to gang up on him? He made up the allegation of abuse against his senior officer because he was due to receive a review that was career-damaging (I don’t recall the specific details but they are in the report). So he had a motive to allege the abuse. And no witnesses at the scene corroborated his account of the story. And the suspect’s father, who originally sided with his son’s claim of being kicked, had a conflicting account of the incident when questioned individually. _And_ the suspect has a history of mental illness (not a determining factor but a contributing one). ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/204 "2013-02-13T01:34:11Z")
> [@Moonlitherial](#): > > Now they think he might have escaped the cabin. Damn. He’s still a murdering dickwad, but I gotta give him props for this. Kinda reminds me of the black cop in Cube. He’d be a highly-useful ally in the zombie apocalypse, until he decides you’re holding him back. At which point, he’d shoot you in the back of the head without a second thought. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/205 "2013-02-13T01:35:20Z")
[Fox News is reporting that the nutzo is believed to be dead.](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/) I never say this, but I hope Fox News is right. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/206 "2013-02-13T01:46:11Z")
Best laid plans ruined by a broken truck axle. Supposedly this guy spent 4 years planning this swath of terror for the cops he hated. Once he broke his truck everything pretty much unraveled. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/207 "2013-02-13T01:47:50Z")
AP is reporting that nobody has emerged from the burning cabin, and that there was a single gunshot heard in the cabin before the fire started. ---
**Author:** ![Noodles\_Fellicini](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Noodles\_Fellicini](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noodles_Fellicini)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/208 "2013-02-13T02:08:24Z")
That would explain why the live feed reporter said that while the cabin burned the police outside relaxed and lowered their guns and those who had 'em smoked 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/209 "2013-02-13T03:13:16Z")
It is definitely sounding like he shot himself and has burned in the building. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/210 "2013-02-13T03:20:59Z")
The Dark Knight is dark toast? There’s a bit of cheer on a cold day. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/211 "2013-02-13T03:48:37Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > The Dark Knight is dark toast? > > There’s a bit of cheer on a cold day. Yes, looks like the asshole chickened out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/212 "2013-02-13T03:49:19Z")
crispy crittered. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/213 "2013-02-13T04:43:57Z")
They’re making [Dorner kebab](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab) jokes on another forum. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/214 "2013-02-13T04:44:09Z")
Dude spends 5 years working on his revenge, and then acts like a total newb when the pressure is on. Reports said he tried to steal a boat in San Diego before heading to the montains. In the mountains it looks like he had truck trouble and then panicked to find a way out. Nothing planned like the terminator he thought he was. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/215 "2013-02-13T04:53:07Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They’re making [Dorner kebab](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab) jokes on another forum. I guess I wasn’t alone in thinking that up. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/216 "2013-02-13T05:15:10Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Dude spends 5 years working on his revenge, and then acts like a total newb when the pressure is on. Reports said he tried to steal a boat in San Diego before heading to the montains. In the mountains it looks like he had truck trouble and then panicked to find a way out. Nothing planned like the terminator he thought he was. I know, right? I’m still scratching my head why he did not just kill the captives instead of tying them up and hoping they wouldn’t escape. He fucked up. A _real_ Dark Knight would have beheaded the hostages with the blessed black-handled scythe of righteousness +1 as a pre-emptive means of damage control. Still, far as things go, Dorner won: He’s caused incalculable emotional damage to the victims and their family and likely millions in overtime pay and lawsuit will be spent in the future. That doesn’t even touch the property damage, the loss of economic activity in Big Bear, and the real, present crimes that were allowed to transpire due to police climbing a mountain. All that for a 270 lb corpse and the ability to sweep Dorner’s allegations under the rug. Pretty poor bargain I’d say. The moral of the story: THE TRUTH MATTERS. > [@Ambivalid](#): > > He made up the allegation of abuse against his senior officer because he was due to receive a review that was career-damaging (I don’t recall the specific details but they are in the report). So he had a motive to allege the abuse. Sooooo, Dorner ran roughshod over LAPD and Southern California over a lie he perpetuated because he was going to be fired anyway due to a bad review? The article I read said his supervisors described his job as “satisfactory”. How’s does a guy get decorated by the Navy serve two tours overseas but go to the LAPD and get canned for lying and dishonesty? Maybe, just maybe, it’s because the Navy has explicit standards of ethics and behavior that clearly the LAPD lacks or does not enforce (That’s my opinion, of course). Anyway, we’re likely at an impasse, but I find it fascinating how reflexive your reasoning is to assume Dorner did _all of this carnage_ over a lie wrapped in deceit instead of reading his allegations at face-value. That’s all. Your mileage may vary. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/217 "2013-02-13T06:20:30Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > I know, right? I’m still scratching my head why he did not just kill the captives instead of tying them up and hoping they wouldn’t escape. He fucked up. A _real_ Dark Knight would have beheaded the hostages with the blessed black-handled scythe of righteousness +1 as a pre-emptive means of damage control. > > Still, far as things go, Dorner won: He’s caused incalculable emotional damage to the victims and their family and likely millions in overtime pay and lawsuit will be spent in the future. That doesn’t even touch the property damage, the loss of economic activity in Big Bear, and the real, present crimes that were allowed to transpire due to police climbing a mountain. All that for a 270 lb corpse and the ability to sweep Dorner’s allegations under the rug. Nonsense! It was all done in order to keep him from endlessly killing cops, their family members, and presumably anyone else he felt had ever wronged him, and/or members of their family. In his own way he seems to have had certain standards in that he didn’t kill his hostages, but he still killed four people and wounded several others who’d never previously done a damn thing to him simply because they were related to someone he was pissed at (or engaged to somebody who was related to somebody he was pissed at) or because they were trying to stop him from killing anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/218 "2013-02-13T06:27:15Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > I know, right? I’m still scratching my head why he did not just kill the captives instead of tying them up and hoping they wouldn’t escape. He fucked up. A _real_ Dark Knight would have beheaded the hostages with the blessed black-handled scythe of righteousness +1 as a pre-emptive means of damage control. > > Still, far as things go, Dorner won: He’s caused incalculable emotional damage to the victims and their family and likely millions in overtime pay and lawsuit will be spent in the future. That doesn’t even touch the property damage, the loss of economic activity in Big Bear, and the real, present crimes that were allowed to transpire due to police climbing a mountain. All that for a 270 lb corpse and the ability to sweep Dorner’s allegations under the rug. Pretty poor bargain I’d say. The moral of the story: THE TRUTH MATTERS. > > Sooooo, Dorner ran roughshod over LAPD and Southern California over a lie he perpetuated because he was going to be fired anyway due to a bad review? The article I read said his supervisors described his job as “satisfactory”. How’s does a guy get decorated by the Navy serve two tours overseas but go to the LAPD and get canned for lying and dishonesty? Maybe, just maybe, it’s because the Navy has explicit standards of ethics and behavior that clearly the LAPD lacks or does not enforce (That’s my opinion, of course). Anyway, we’re likely at an impasse, but I find it fascinating how reflexive your reasoning is to assume Dorner did _all of this carnage_ over a lie wrapped in deceit instead of reading his allegations at face-value. That’s all. Your mileage may vary. Take that, Big Bear! That’s what you get for… Uh… Being in the same state as the LAPD? Either you’re having us on with this weird D&D murder fantasy shit or there is something seriously, seriously wrong with you. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/219 "2013-02-13T06:43:05Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Sooooo, Dorner ran roughshod over LAPD and Southern California over a lie he perpetuated because he was going to be fired anyway due to a bad review? The article I read said his supervisors described his job as “satisfactory”. How’s does a guy get decorated by the Navy serve two tours overseas but go to the LAPD and get canned for lying and dishonesty? Maybe, just maybe, it’s because the Navy has explicit standards of ethics and behavior that clearly the LAPD lacks or does not enforce (That’s my opinion, of course). Anyway, we’re likely at an impasse, but I find it fascinating how reflexive your reasoning is to assume Dorner did _all of this carnage_ over a lie wrapped in deceit instead of reading his allegations at face-value. That’s all. Your mileage may vary. Tell me, what exactly has been presented to you that, in your opinion, exonerates Dorner? I’ve sure seen a lot that supports his termination; not much that supports him. I understand the suspicion at the LAPD, but that doesn’t translate into automatic innocence of Dorner. I still need to be shown evidence of his innocence. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/220 "2013-02-13T06:44:05Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > … The article I read said his supervisors described his job as “satisfactory”. How’s does a guy get decorated by the Navy serve two tours overseas but go to the LAPD and get canned for lying and dishonesty? Maybe, just maybe, it’s because the Navy has explicit standards of ethics and behavior that clearly the LAPD lacks or does not enforce (That’s my opinion, of course). Anyway, we’re likely at an impasse, but I find it fascinating how reflexive your reasoning is to assume Dorner did _all of this carnage_ over a lie wrapped in deceit instead of reading his allegations at face-value. That’s all. Your mileage may vary. I’m of mixed emotions about this, as the last several days have given many of us a much clearer picture of LAPD’s performance standards. It would seem that “satisfactory performance” means little more than not shooting infants in their cribs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674.md?page=12)