# Fired LAPD Cop On a Murderous Rampage in SoCal **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 8, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674 "2013-02-08T03:16:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/41 "2013-02-09T01:06:02Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > He’s a man who’s been pushed to the limit and is lashing out with what he’s most familiar with: unfettered violence. I don’t think he’s “gone” (Jared L. was “gone”) at all and there’s no way a jury would convict him of insanity; indeed, based on his ‘manifesto’, Mr. Dorner knows exactly what he’s going to do and how his journey will inexorably end. (Now that I know you don’t own a gun…) Look, I don’t give a rat’s ass what pushed him to the limit. The fact that he’s butchering innocent people in cold blood to get revenge tells me he’s gone, mentally. Based on the text in his manifesto, he’s on the low-functioning end to begin with, and it’s quite possible the only thing he’s familiar with is unfettered violence. This doesn’t mean unfettered violence is a reasonable response, particularly when “unfettered violence” in this case means murdering people completely uninvolved in the perceived offense. You’ve picked a rather odd and particularly malignant person to defend. Say, you wouldn’t consider borrowing a gun, would you? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/42 "2013-02-09T01:11:44Z")
Too bad we don’t offer treatment to the mentally ill in this country. At least the schizophrenic man who was or was not kicked wouldn’t have triggered all of this. Or the mass shootings that occur every few days. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/43 "2013-02-09T01:12:59Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > Look, I don’t give a rat’s ass what pushed him to the limit. Then that practically guarantees it will happen again, and again, until more people do care. His experience doesn’t justify his actions, but you ignore his experience at your own peril. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/44 "2013-02-09T01:14:27Z")
Arguing that the police opened fire on people they couldn’t see isn’t really helping to make the case in favor of the police opening fire, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/45 "2013-02-09T01:25:44Z")
Move aside **Honesty** , the adults are talking. > [@Honesty](#): > > Really? You think he could be making up all of that, huh? Well, we can take home from this that Mr. Dorner has an imagination that would dwarf the black-haired kid from _Bobby’s World_. I’ll put my cards on a table and say I don’t think he made any of it up. What would be the purpose to a character that’s about honesty (Evidenced by returning $8000 and social circle that has yet to say a bad thing about him) only for him to purposefully fabricate an incident on a fellow police officer and be dismissed from the LAPD for lying. Furthermore, why would send presumably fake evidence to Anderson Cooper? It doesn’t add up. > > Nope and never will. > > I agree with you but we’re also a product of a society that he who cries the loudest, gets the attention. He had already been dismissed from the LAPD, what other meaningful avenues did he have? Sure, maybe he could’ve sued for damagesbut he was excommunicated from the force for, above all else, deliberately lying about an incident. > > He’s a man who’s been pushed to the limit and is lashing out with what he’s most familiar with: unfettered violence. I don’t think he’s “gone” (Jared L. was “gone”) at all and there’s no way a jury would convict him of insanity; indeed, based on his ‘manifesto’, Mr. Dorner knows exactly what he’s going to do and how his journey will inexorably end. You sure seem fixated on the fact that he returned $8k in found money **eleven years ago**. You do realize that a whole bunch of crazy people weren’t born crazy, right? Hell, even a Catholic priest could suffer his first schizophrenic episode and do something like this, over-fucking-_night_. That doesn’t justify murder. This isn’t the fucking _Negotiator_, it’s real life. His past isn’t relevant here, guy. Oh, and even though the viewer was supposed to side with Samuel L. Jackson in that movie, he still would have gone to jail because he voluntarily took hostages and, most importantly, got Niebaum killed (which, even though it was done by somebody else, is still his fault because it wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t caused the hostage situation in the first place). Murder during commission of a crime, I believe it’s called. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/46 "2013-02-09T01:51:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Then that practically guarantees it will happen again, and again, until more people do care. His experience doesn’t justify his actions, but you ignore his experience at your own peril. The mindless murder of innocents by a nutcase on a rampage is not going to make me care about his cause. Not even if he nukes all of LA. As I think about it, even the cold-blooded murder of every individual in the United States would not make me sympathetic to his cause. It would just confirm that he’s a nutcase on a rampage. With this degree of malignant behaviour, I am not at all surprised he lost his case. As I recall, in his manifesto he feels the appropriate response to hearing a fellow officer use the term “nigger” should have been to put a bullet in the fellow officer’s brain. This is a guy with marginal intelligence, completely unable to control his rage, who has gone off the deep end. I agree that I, and others, are in peril from this fruitcake, but I guess I’ll just have to pay more attention when I’m out and about innocently minding my own business. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/47 "2013-02-09T02:07:28Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Well apparently the first incident took place in the early morning, so the police might not have been able to see who was in the car. I’m not trying to excuse the shooting by those cops, I’m just trying to avoid jumping to conclusions and making sure this is being at all angles. I don’t think, “I couldn’t tell if the person was the suspect we were looking for, so I decided to shoot them,” is really a good justification here. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/48 "2013-02-09T02:13:16Z")
Terrible story, and yes, the police aren’t doing themselves any favors. Here’s hoping this psycho has already blown his brains out and won’t hurt anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/49 "2013-02-09T02:20:24Z")
**Honesty** , could you explain why Monica Quan and Kieth Lawrence deserved death? Niether of them were LAPD. They were university employees. Quan was the daughter of someone who tried to help Dorner, for crying out loud. They weren’t even white. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/50 "2013-02-09T02:22:03Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > Move aside **Honesty** , the adults are talking. Please don’t ever use this “adults are talking” phrase again. No matter how stupid the argument you are addressing is, you look even stupider by saying it. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/51 "2013-02-09T02:34:15Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > I agree that I, and others, are in peril from this fruitcake, but I guess I’ll just have to pay more attention when I’m out and about innocently minding my own business. Yeah, you’re right, Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence probably just weren’t paying enough attention. ---
**Author:** ![RedMud636](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@RedMud636](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedMud636)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/52 "2013-02-09T02:41:25Z")
Its no doubt true there is corruption and racism in the LAPD, to what degree I couldnt say. It certainly doesnt justify cold blooded murder. However Mr. Dorner does know exactly what hes doing I believe. Doesnt makes it right but its not surprising. People are capable of much much worse. His manifesto is a bit, well not exactly elegant prose shall we say, but that could be a sign of the intense emotion and stress he must be experiencing. He does seem to have thought deeply about all of this. I woud not make the mistake of under-estimating his intelligence or abilities, even if its “just in case”. Again not justifying his actions but that is the reality of his situation in his head. Its an intense story. I hope no more innocents are endangered, by Dorner OR the police. Did he freeze to death? Blow his brains out? Will he? More crazy shooting and an ongoing thing? Turn himself in? Get gunned down trying to? Getting settled in for the big Nor’easter here in PEI, the weekends not looking good for getting out of the house so I will ashamedly take part in the media-fest. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/53 "2013-02-09T02:42:18Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Yeah, you’re right, Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence probably just weren’t paying enough attention. They were paying no attention whatsoever. Completely unaware they were in danger before this idiot slaughtered them. That’s why I’m so glad you warned me about the peril I’m in for not caring about Dorner’s cause. Now that I know I’m in peril, I can pay more attention when I am out and about, innocently minding my own business. You should get out there and warn others about ignoring Dorner’s experience so that they won’t be in peril either. Thank goodness you got to me in time. You may have saved my life. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/54 "2013-02-09T02:42:42Z")
this would be very easy to spin into a “framed cop hounded by crazed group of corrupt police” story. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/55 "2013-02-09T02:48:03Z")
The day of reckoning has come to the LAPD. On the other hand Dorner is not long for this world either. He knows he’s a dead man. Portraying him as crazy is simply dumb, for any meaningful definition of crazy. ---
**Author:** ![the\_O](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@the\_O](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_O)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/56 "2013-02-09T02:49:40Z")
Has anybody here ever punched somebody? My point is: Sometimes words aren’t enough. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/57 "2013-02-09T04:12:54Z")
Are we sure thsi isn’t just the plot of a Michael Connolly book? It sounds awfully familiar. ---
**Author:** ![Pacific420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Pacific420](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pacific420)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/58 "2013-02-09T04:15:09Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Thankfully his truck was found destroyed, so people driving blue pickup trucks in the LA area no longer have to be worried about cops trying to [summarily execute them](http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html). Was it last year in New York where the police were shooting at someone and missed but a bunch of civilians were all hit by the police bullets? You can’t paint them all with the same brush but it’s difficult to understand sometimes how some of these people even get hired in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/59 "2013-02-09T04:22:55Z")
> [@the\_O](#): > > Has anybody here ever punched somebody? > > My point is: Sometimes words aren’t enough. I never punched anyone’s family because that person pissed me off. PS. I don’t think this business is going to do too much good as far as ending LAPD racism goes. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/60 "2013-02-09T04:52:45Z")
> [@colander](#): > > I don’t think this business is going to do too much good as far as ending LAPD racism goes. Since Dorner is black, he’s simply put one more story out there of a black man exhibiting blind and mindless rage for any racists to consume. This will have the opposite effect of ending LAPD–or any other–racism, unfortunately. Were his violence directed at those he feels betrayed him, he’d still be abjectly wrong, but the story might make more sense. By slaughtering innocents mindlessly, he has painted himself as incapable of putting two coherent thoughts together, or creating a cogent case of any kind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674.md?page=4)