# Fired LAPD Cop On a Murderous Rampage in SoCal **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 8, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674 "2013-02-08T03:16:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/121 "2013-02-10T04:36:46Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > I’d kinda like it if racists really lived in fear for their lives. It’s kind of hard to stamp out white racism against blacks when a black man who feels he is a victim of white racism considers the appropriate remedy to be murdering an asian and a black in cold blood. That sort of thing just typifies a stereotype against blacks that they are impulsively violent and stupid. Hardly an effective approach. Although this fellow has done is worsen racism. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/122 "2013-02-10T04:37:34Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > … Asymmetric warfare, my ass. There’s nothing “warfare” about executing defenseless people by shooting them when they are not even your opponent. … a statement which can be applied to both parties in this mess. i do hope that the cops involved with the truck shooting get off lightly. that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the LAPD is a criminal organisation, if shooting innocent civilians without cause is not proof enough. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/123 "2013-02-10T04:40:18Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > Out of curiosity: > “Waging asymmetric warfare and winning” is how you characterize shooting people unawares? [Yes.](http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_2007-07-12_airstrike_videos) > [@](#): > > How about “shooting people like a coward”? I find your child-like notions of bravery not very intriguing. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/124 "2013-02-10T05:01:50Z")
Wait. So it’s “brave” to shoot two people sitting in a car as retaliation for being fired from a job where you “protect and serve”? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/125 "2013-02-10T05:10:04Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Wait. So it’s “brave” to shoot two people sitting in a car as retaliation for being fired from a job where you “protect and serve”? No, it’s not “brave”. Did I say that? It is however brave to stand up to racists in police blues who will take revenge for breaking rank. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/126 "2013-02-10T05:14:33Z")
and so there is a _second_ truck, and _another_ innocent civilian being shot at. my sympathies to the real cops in the department. > **[Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity](https://www.latimes.com/local/la-xpm-2013-feb-09-la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210-story.html)** > > Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/127 "2013-02-10T05:18:19Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > a statement which can be applied to both parties in this mess. i do hope that the cops involved with the truck shooting get off lightly. that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the LAPD is a criminal organisation, if shooting innocent civilians without cause is not proof enough. It wasn’t just the two women and their truck. It sounds like they shot up the whole neighborhood. They hit two parked vehicles at one house. The front door of another… all of this and: (a) obviously the license plate wasn’t registered to the man (b) the vehicle was not the same model or color (c) there were TWO female occupants, not one very large man. (d) it is claimed that there was no warning of any sort, they just opened fire Holy heck! These are police officers acting like a mob drive by shooting. ---
**Author:** ![fifty-six](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@fifty-six](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fifty-six)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/128 "2013-02-10T05:21:10Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > and so there is a _second_ truck, and _another_ innocent civilian being shot at. my sympathies to the real cops in the department. > > [Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story) Is Dorner making his case? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/129 "2013-02-10T05:28:30Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > No, it’s not “brave”. Did I say that? It is however brave to stand up to racists in police blues who will take revenge for breaking rank. Yes, if only he had done that. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/130 "2013-02-10T05:28:57Z")
Sounds like a war between bad and worse. You’ve got Dorner, who murdered two innocent bystanders, and you’ve got the LAPD, who have shot at three innocent bystanders so far in inept attempts to murder Dorner. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/131 "2013-02-10T05:30:31Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > and so there is a _second_ truck, and _another_ innocent civilian being shot at. my sympathies to the real cops in the department. > > [Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story) From your link: > [@](#): > > David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way. > > Seconds later, Perdue’s attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue. > > His pickup, police later explained, matched the description of the one belonging to Christopher Jordan Dorner — the ex-cop who has evaded authorities after allegedly killing three and wounding two more. **But the pickups were different makes and colors. And Perdue looks nothing like Dorner: He’s several inches shorter and about a hundred pounds lighter. And Perdue is white; Dorner is black.** Are these cops seriously color blind? How many rounds have they fired off and not managed to actually kill anyone. Fortunate for the innocent people who’ve been attacked so far. But they sure aren’t alive for lack of LAPD trying to kill them. At this rate, Dorner could just lay low and lets the LAPD waste time and money looking for him. If the LAPD keeps it up, they may single-handedly bankrupt their liability insurer (or the city of LA?). ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/132 "2013-02-10T05:42:30Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Yes, if only he had done that. He did, during the episode **Locrian** mentioned in post #101, unless you don’t believe Dorner’s account. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/133 "2013-02-10T05:59:16Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > He did, during the episode **Locrian** mentioned in post #101, unless you don’t believe Dorner’s account. Yes, by leaping over the front seat and choking one officer, while in retrospect, wished he had shot both of them in the skull, and was quite detailed in the ammunition he wished he used. It appears he was fired not for one incident in ratting out his training officer, but for many violations. Since we’re back to his manifesto, he claimed he won’t “come out of this alive”, which doesn’t mean they’ll bomb his ass, just that when cops shout, “Drop your weapon,” he won’t and will fire till he’s dead. Suicide by cops-- the career choice he opted for, fired by, how ironic. ---
**Author:** ![toofs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@toofs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toofs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/134 "2013-02-10T06:01:09Z")
As a citizen, I am right now fearful of the law enforcement hit squads that are shooting up pickup trucks. None of those police officers involved in any of the “hey, look! A pickup! Kill 'em all!” episodes will be fired. Not one. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/135 "2013-02-10T06:03:18Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > … which doesn’t mean they’ll bomb his ass, just that when cops shout, “Drop your weapon,” … you’re very optimistic aren’t you? i think most owners of trucks of any make are considering leaving them in the garage. ---
**Author:** ![toofs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@toofs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toofs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/136 "2013-02-10T06:04:50Z")
MPSIMS: I know two of the people he mentioned by name in his manifesto. Both of them were in the ‘I like you, so I won’t murder your daughter’ section. ---
**Author:** ![Doggo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/87869e/32.png) [@Doggo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doggo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/137 "2013-02-10T06:42:41Z")
I am still waiting for someone in the media to call him “Rambo”. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/138 "2013-02-10T07:39:23Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > This impulsive, murderous, psycho is not the her LA needs, unless they want to continue a path to a two-bit, crime-ridden, developing country where rage and guns, instead of the rule of law, are what create power. > > We aren’t hunting him because he can take it. We are hunting him for gunning down innocent people in cold blood. This is called “murder.” > > A system “protected” by random slaughter of innocent people is not protected against corruption. That kind of “protection” is corruption, and were it practiced on a scale of any kind, would destroy society tomorrow. There are rare instances in which an injustice upon a person by an individual (or group) cannot be erased with “I’m sorry,” or by turning the other cheek. In these rare moments, _retribution_ is called for, an element of vengeance, of kind of restorative counterweight to force balance upon the scales of justice. This act serves as a much-needed warning to the functional sociopaths in positions of power and others: be careful who you fuck over. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/139 "2013-02-10T08:43:46Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > I’d kinda like it if racists really lived in fear for their lives. Would that happen to include Al Sharpton? > [@shijinn](#): > > a statement which can be applied to both parties in this mess. i do hope that the cops involved with the truck shooting get off lightly. that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the LAPD is a criminal organisation, if shooting innocent civilians without cause is not proof enough. And what if the officers are punished? What shall that do to your brilliant thesis? > [@Honesty](#): > > There are rare instances in which an injustice upon a person by an individual (or group) cannot be erased with “I’m sorry,” or by turning the other cheek. In these rare moments, _retribution_ is called for, an element of vengeance, of kind of restorative counterweight to force balance upon the scales of justice. This act serves as a much-needed warning to the functional sociopaths in positions of power and others: be careful who you fuck over. > > - Honesty This wasn’t even remotely any sort of an “injustice” which would call for going around murdering people barely related to the case. This argument can be used just as easily to justify anti-abortion violence. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674/140 "2013-02-10T09:40:23Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > This act serves as a much-needed warning to the functional sociopaths in positions of power and others: be careful who you fuck over. “Now I know what you are. You’re not a man; you’re not a leader; you’re a black thug!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fired-lapd-cop-on-a-murderous-rampage-in-socal/649674.md?page=8)