# "Firefly" - 11/1: Fighting for Inara's Honor (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 4, 2002, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209 "2002-11-04T13:52:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2002, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/21 "2002-11-05T03:28:14Z")
When Inara and the lord were telling Mal that he had to kill wassisname, because letting him live would be a humiliation, I remember thinking ‘Oh, yeah, THAT’s going to make him do it.’ Then I remembered who was saying it. ‘Oh. Well, good point. It probably WILL make him let the guy live.’ ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2002, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/22 "2002-11-05T05:32:36Z")
I think my favorite part was the ballroom dancing. Those fancy folks, with the beautiful dresses and immaculate suits, all gathered together on the gorgeous tile floor, under the levitating, rotating sculpted chandelier… square-dancing. God, I love this show. ---
**Author:** ![Kn\_ckers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/96bed5/32.png) [@Kn\_ckers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kn_ckers)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2002, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/23 "2002-11-05T13:26:38Z")
Wow, \*\* Mr. Visible \*\*, those are some impressive powers of perception. I didn’t get that at all, but you’re right, they WERE square dancing. Very clever. Very, very clever. See that, Fox? \* That’s \* a good show. I know it might be hard to recognize, when you’re so used to stuff like World’s Wildest Supermarket Security Videos, but take my word for it. Firefly’s nifty. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2002, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/24 "2002-11-05T14:25:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrVisible \* > \*\*square-dancing. \*\* I was reminded of the dancing in a Henry VIII movie. But it probably was square dancing since they had the cows. I’m starting to miss phasers and warp drive. ^:)^ ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2002, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/25 "2002-11-05T14:32:54Z")
More [Tvguide.com](http://Tvguide.com)’s matt roush on Firefly: > [@](#): > > Question: It took me a little while to get used to it, but Fox’s Firefly has fast become one of my favorite shows (not in the least because of the great writing we can expect from a Joss Whedon-produced show). Given that the show is kind of quirky, however, what do you think its chances are of making it to another season? — Christopher R. > > Matt: I’ve received many questions about this, and I wish I had better news. The ratings are lousy, so I think it’s going to be a tough, uphill battle for this show to last even the entire year, let alone get a renewal for next season. Fox’s scheduling is doing it no favors, but since it’s on Fridays, maybe the lowered expectations will keep the network’s trigger finger at bay. Fox did order additional scripts, while not yet giving Firefly the full-season order it needs and probably deserves. (See this week’s Roush Review for my latest opinion on the show.) I was worried Fox would yank it from the November sweeps, but for now, it looks like it’s going to at least get a chance to play for a few weeks without interruption in hopes that an audience desirous of offbeat fare will find it. Either the show has improved by the week or I’m growing more accustomed to it. Maybe a bit of both. For those asking advice on the best strategies to ensure its success, all I can say is: Keep watching, spread the word, write the network and the show’s advertisers with praise and support, and hope for the best. > > I also enjoyed Cathy B.‘s comment that "with umpteen cop and lawyer dramas, it’s about time we had a good ol’ fashioned Western to keep us home." I appreciate the sentiment, but the fact that it’s both a futuristic sci-fi show and an old-fashioned Western is probably what’s keeping more people from embracing it. Their (and maybe eventually our) loss. [http://www.tvguide.com/tv/roush/mattask/](http://www.tvguide.com/tv/roush/mattask/) ---
**Author:** ![moonchilde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@moonchilde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonchilde)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/26 "2002-11-06T03:16:31Z")
1. I also had a bit of a problem with the Mal/Inara dynamics in this show. I felt that it was a bit out of order…that this show would have been better if it had run earlier, helping set up the relationship between the two. Right now, I don’t know what Inara sees in Mal. 2. What a great character in Kaylee…can I have one for Christmas??? 3. Time to write in, now and often [askfox@foxinc.com](mailto:askfox@foxinc.com) or Fox Broadcasting POBOX 900 Beverly Hills, Ca 90213 1. Can I have Kaylee for Christmas? PLEASE SANTA??? Moon Kayleechilde or Kaylee Moonchilde and what would we name our kids??? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kn\_ckers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/96bed5/32.png) [@Kn\_ckers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kn_ckers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/27 "2002-11-06T13:32:12Z")
Ooh! \*\* moonchilde \*\* beat me to posting Fox’s addresses. I’ve e-mailed and am writing a letter shortly. This is very exciting for me. I’ve never written to a TV network before. Hope you all will do the same. Love, Kn\*ckers P.S.: If you’re interested, \*\* moonchilde \*\* it might help your wedding preparations to know that Kaylee’s full name was given at the ball as Kaywinnit Lee Frye. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/28 "2002-11-06T13:36:42Z")
No way in hell will I write. I voted Democratic and look what happened. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kn\_ckers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/96bed5/32.png) [@Kn\_ckers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kn_ckers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/29 "2002-11-06T14:19:43Z")
Wow, you too? Funny how that works out. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/30 "2002-11-06T18:17:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by moonchilde \* > **1) I also had a bit of a problem with the Mal/Inara dynamics in this show. I felt that it was a bit out of order…that this show would have been better if it had run earlier, helping set up the relationship between the two.** Well, this was supposed to be episode five, not episode eight or nine or wherever we are now. Fox shuffled the sequence of the shows they had in order to front-load the action-packed stuff, in an effort to hook casual viewers who may not be tuning in every week and following everything that’s going on. So in Whedon-World, this would have come earlier in the season. I bet they restore the order on the DVDs (if the show survives long enough to warrant such a release). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/31 "2002-11-06T19:13:41Z")
It really annoys me how Fox shuffled both Firefly and John Doe, as if the viewers wouldn’t even notice. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/32 "2002-11-06T19:19:56Z")
How did they shuffle Doe? ---
**Author:** ![moonchilde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@moonchilde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonchilde)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2002, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/33 "2002-11-07T01:20:28Z")
Thanks Kn\*ckers! moonchilde frye sounds too much like a child of frank zappa. now kn\*ckerschilde does sound like a real winner 🙂 (also voted democratic but i’ll write fox,dang it) mc ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2002, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209/34 "2002-11-07T02:19:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*How did they shuffle Doe? \*\* Not to hijack, but this deserves an answer. Among the evidence of episode shuffling in _John Doe_, are his relationship with the police and the mysterious appearance of Doe’s assistant, Karen(?) Kowalski around Doe’s home (which is later explained when Kowalski asks him for a job). I think Doe also revealed his secret to his acquaintances out of order. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-11-1-fighting-for-inaras-honor-spoilers/135209.md?page=1)