# Firefly Film Festival #6 - "Our Mrs. Reynolds" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934 "2005-06-12T03:54:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/41 "2005-06-13T17:21:59Z")
> [@Jenny Haniver](#): > > I agree that it’s about Mal’s reaction - she’s PO’d that Mal appears to like Saffron’s simpering submissive routine. And, as Mal’s the only man on the ship that Zoe takes orders from, seeing Saffron’s bowing and scraping to Mal is kinda reminicent of the ongoing arguement between her and Wash, over the amount of control she lets Mal have over her, even if he’s not asking for it. I didn’t even think of it in that light, but for Zoe, it is clear that Mal and Wash occupy very different places in her universe. Perhaps part of Zoe’s reaction is anger that Wash might be learning “bad habits” from Mal. That is, Mal is the Alpha Male, and whether Zoe likes it or not (and it’s pretty clear that she doesn’t) he can have any relationship with Saffron he likes – Zoe will never argue with Mal on that point because he is The Captain. However, as soon as Wash says _anything_ positive about Saffron and Mal, she feels that she is free to correct him, perhaps even venting a little of her distaste for Mal’s behavior onto Wash. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/42 "2005-06-13T17:25:49Z")
I got here late, and pretty much all the good quotes have been taken, but I have to say that my absolute favorite moment in this episode is during the teaser, when Saffron gives Mal the floral head-wreath, and he turns to Jayne and says (though we don’t hear it over the music) “Look at my hat!” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/43 "2005-06-13T17:27:38Z")
> [@FlyingDragonFan](#): > > Okay, what’s up with the Vera and air thing? Does a gun _not_ need oxygen to fire? Look at the cartridge. It’s all sealed up in lead and brass. No air can get in. There is oxygen in the gunpowder. It does not need air. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/44 "2005-06-13T17:40:40Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I got here late, and pretty much all the good quotes have been taken, but I have to say that my absolute favorite moment in this episode is during the teaser, when Saffron gives Mal the floral head-wreath, and he turns to Jayne and says (though we don’t hear it over the music) “Look at my hat!” Not just a hat, but a hat made out of a tree. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/45 "2005-06-13T17:55:19Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Corrent, The stuff inside a bullet contains both fuel and oxydizer, so no outside air is needed for combustion. > > However, an atmosphere may be needed for extended use. For cooling or so the lubricant for the various moving parts doesn’t evaporate. > > brian So what’s the big deal? Maybe Jayne and/or Mal didn’t know that. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/46 "2005-06-13T18:04:35Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > So what’s the big deal? Maybe Jayne and/or Mal didn’t know that. Jayne is _the_ guns expert (just listen to him describe Vera when trying to trade it to Mal for Saffron) and Mal is an ex-soldier. That neither of them would be familiar with how a gun works is pretty odd. That said, it’s really a very small nitpick, and for all we know, guns in their time _might_ need air. The primary reason that this particular nit is getting picked is that Firefly is usually extremely accurate and realistic when it should be (no sound in space), so it’s unusual to see misinformation like that. ---
**Author:** ![PKain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@PKain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PKain)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/47 "2005-06-13T18:18:20Z")
> [@gardentraveler](#): > > One thing that puzzles me (maybe I’m dense): how does Inara recognize Saffron as a fake? I’ve watched that scene several times today, and other than the alarm going off, I don’t see any obvious moment of recognition. > > GT When Inara and Saffron first bump into each other, Saffron says “I thought the other shuttle was yours.”- She then trys to play her way out of the situation by implying that she was actually looking for Inara. I think this contradiction is what clued Inara onto the fact that Saffron was a fake. ---
**Author:** ![Jenny\_Haniver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Jenny\_Haniver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenny_Haniver)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/48 "2005-06-13T18:32:44Z")
> [@Jurph](#): > > I didn’t even think of it in that light, but for Zoe, it is clear that Mal and Wash occupy very different places in her universe. Perhaps part of Zoe’s reaction is anger that Wash might be learning “bad habits” from Mal. > That is, Mal is the Alpha Male, See, I don’t think Zoe has any real fears that Wash is going to pick up bad habits. That’s because the properties of the space that Mal occupies, to use your example, do not overlap with what Zoe wants in a mate. But she also knows that Wash doesn’t understand that, precisely because Zoe is both his Wash and Mal. (“A Warrior Woman.”) And here is Mal, being presented with a strictly domestic, non-military kind of obedience and appearing to get along just as well with it as he does with command of the ship. For Zoe, who clearly delineates the two, it’s both frustration with Mal’s behavior and irritation at the light this casts on her own relationship to Mal that makes her dislike Saffron so much. But, it may be that I am viewing all Wash/Zoe interaction through the prism of My Favorite Episode Evar, as I mentioned before. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/49 "2005-06-13T20:28:44Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > My favorite line is Mal asking Jayne if Mal did anything unusual the night before. > > “I dunno. I’s drunk.” IIRC, Mal sidles up to Jayne and mutters, “How drunk was I?” and Jayne answers, “Dunno, I passed out.” Nice little bonding moment that greatly informs the relationship between the two men, as **BayleDomon** observes. Also, just for grins and giggles, I watched the whole series with the alternate Spanish-language track, and Book’s key line “_el infierno especial_” is just as funny in Spanish as it is in English. (The Spanish cast is actually pretty good, with a couple of exceptions. Definitely better than the French cast.) ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/50 "2005-06-13T20:44:28Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Also, just for grins and giggles, I watched the whole series with the alternate Spanish-language track… Oh. My. Gods. I have to do that now. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/51 "2005-06-13T20:54:35Z")
“Phasers? We don’t have no…we don’t need no stinking phasers!” ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/52 "2005-06-13T21:00:48Z")
Another great line– Jayne: That’s why I never kiss 'em on the lips. Everybody else: :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/53 "2005-06-13T21:06:21Z")
Another couple of great lines, just 'cuz (might be paraphrased, working off memory). During the party: Elder Gaman: “This stick brings the rain when it is most needed. And so it is with men like you.” Jayne: _sappy drunk_ “Thank you, friend. I will treasure this.” Later: Jayne: “You got a wife? Hell, all I got was that dumbass stick that sounds like it’s rainin’, how come you got a wife?” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/54 "2005-06-13T21:30:00Z")
OK, slapstick really but it still cracks me up every time: Mal realizes he’s been drugged and just before he falls over, says: “Son of a…” _Thump_ A few minutes later, after kissing him, Inara feels the same effects and the last thing she says is, “You stupid son of a…” _Thump_ Hy-larrious. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/55 "2005-06-13T23:31:49Z")
Has anyone mentioned this one yet? “Are you going to kill me?” “What?? Don’t you stand for that sort of thing. If someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!” I know this one’s already been mentioned but I can’t help repeating it because Wash & Kaylee’s delivery was so perfect. Mal: “She’s no one!” (Saffron starts crying) Kaylee: “Captain!” Mal: “Would you stop that!” Wash: “You brute!” Kaylee: “Oh, sweetie, don’t feel bad. He makes everybody cry. He’s like a monster.” It was perfect pay-back for Mal’s comment to Kaylee in Shindig, “It’d be like a sheep walking on its hind legs.” > [@Jenny Haniver](#): > > Much as I’d like to think Zoe’s grumpiness is touched off by feminist concern for Saffron’s personhood, I don’t think that argument will hold water either. When Zoe and Wash argue about Saffron, Zoe says Wash should have turned right around and put her back on Triumph… the planet that, as far as Zoe knows, just sold a woman into sexual slavery. She’s not angry out of concern for Saffron. I agree that it’s about Mal’s reaction - she’s PO’d that Mal appears to like Saffron’s simpering submissive routine. And, as Mal’s the only man on the ship that Zoe takes orders from, seeing Saffron’s bowing and scraping to Mal is kinda reminicent of the ongoing arguement between her and Wash, over the amount of control she lets Mal have over her, even if he’s not asking for it. > > Wash, in turn, is overreacting as he always does when he senses Zoe’s relationship to Mal intruding on his marriage… > > Spoiler for future episode:…Exactly like he does in War Stories, with even worse consequences. > > Each crew member has reasons for their reaction to Saffron that are not based purely on a philosophical stance, but on their own experiences and character – that’s what makes this show so great. Wash totally missed his cue. The second Zoe said, “did you see the way she grabbed that glass,” Wash should have wholeheartedly, enthusiastically, agreed with her. "Oh, gosh! I know what you mean. That was just ridiculous! I’m so glad you’re not like her _at all_ honey! But Wash does the dumb-guy thing, and instead appears to defend this subservient behavior by relating the story about the geese juggling. Bad idea. I still think Zoe was overreacting though. She took Saffron’s subservience personally, and directed her own insecurity towards Mal, Wash and men in general. She accused Wash of being complicit because he didn’t immediately turn the ship around, but she knew the very first thing Mal did was call for Wash and tell him to turn the ship around and bring Saffron back. Wash explained they couldn’t bring her back because there was already a bulletin out on them for the guys they killed. Zoe was just plain ol’ pissed that this girl was going to be on their boat for week, acting all subservient and filling the mens’ heads with who knows what kind of nonsense about what a women’s place is. Everyone would expect Jayne to be a pig about it, but Zoe should have given Mal & Wash a little more credit than that. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/56 "2005-06-13T23:42:17Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I still think Zoe was overreacting though. She took Saffron’s subservience personally, and directed her own insecurity towards Mal, Wash and men in general. She accused Wash of being complicit because he didn’t immediately turn the ship around, but she knew the very first thing Mal did was call for Wash and tell him to turn the ship around and bring Saffron back. Wash explained they couldn’t bring her back because there was already a bulletin out on them for the guys they killed. Agreed. At the start, Wash tells Mal they can’t land again, and adds on “And you enjoy your honeymoon!” Zoe is very plainly amused in the background. If she wasn’t dredging that up just for ammo at Wash and was truly angry at him about not turning around, we’d’ve seen her amusement fall into a more irritated expression right then and there. ---
**Author:** ![gardentraveler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gardentraveler/32/3576_2.png) [@gardentraveler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gardentraveler)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/57 "2005-06-14T03:06:06Z")
(About watching this in Spanish…) > [@Draelin](#): > > Oh. My. Gods. I have to do that now. Can’t believe this one didn’t occur to me (I was disappointed that this ep didn’t have commentary…). Guess I’ll have to try this angle next. GT ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/58 "2005-06-14T13:13:23Z")
Just something amusing I found yesterday while catching up on [Angst Technology](http://www.inktank.com/AT/index.cfm?nav=1126). Almost made me shoot coffee out my nose. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/59 "2005-06-14T19:20:07Z")
> [@gardentraveler](#): > > (About watching this in Spanish…) A couple of things about the Spanish track in upcoming episodes, so you aren’t surprised by them:[spoiler]They don’t bother to translate the song in “Jaynestown,” and they leave Nathan Fillion’s bloodcurdling torture screams on the soundtrack in “War Stories” instead of having the Spanish actor try to re-create them. Neither is much of a surprise, I guess, but there you go. Definitely a fun way to wring another few hours of enjoyment out of the series after you’ve seen the episodes eleventy thousand times.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![gardentraveler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gardentraveler/32/3576_2.png) [@gardentraveler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gardentraveler)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934/60 "2005-06-15T00:27:18Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > A couple of things about the Spanish track in upcoming episodes, so you aren’t surprised by them\. Thanks for the tips, **Cervaise**. Oh…and I haven’t quite watched them eleventy thousand times…YET. Oh, and **Draelin** : great cartoon! Thanks for posting it. GT [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefly-film-festival-6-our-mrs-reynolds/307934.md?page=4)