# Firefox, you piece of shit!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455 "2019-05-04T02:49:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/63 "2019-05-05T00:26:24Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Thanks! Much appreciated. [insert smilie here] > > I hadn’t realized how much work it takes to use a new browser. No bookmarks. No style changes. No custom changes already done. No emoticons without reconfiguring. > > It’s the smallest of first world problems. But sigh. It’s a good practice to copy your links over from time to time so you have the bulk of it handy. Every once in a while a link I need works better in another browser. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/64 "2019-05-05T00:26:41Z")
> [@black\_rabbit](#): > > I had studies enabled, but didn’t get the fix for 7+ hours after it was released. I re-checked the box, and voila. > > My assumption is that re-checking the box causes Firefox to phone home, at which point the new study is served up immediately. Thanks for posting this. It worked for me too. I checked the studies box (it was unchecked before), closed and opened the browser. Nothing. Then I went back after I read your note, rechecked the box, and it worked. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/65 "2019-05-05T00:33:18Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s a good practice to copy your links over from time to time so you have the bulk of it handy. Every once in a while a link I need works better in another browser. I’m not a fan. Google is invasive enough without my leaving more data for them. I wipe my browser as clean as I can when I leave. Firefox does that automatically when I close it which is why I generally use that over Chrome. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/66 "2019-05-05T00:37:38Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > If your email service (which is not what you said the first time) is bundled with your Internet service, then (a) it’s impossible for you to quantify any specific value for it. Nice attempt to move the goal posts in order to continue arguing about a free service. I can quantify my internet service quite easily. It’s the amount of money I pay for it. It’s broken down on my bill. If it’s down for 6 days then I get 6 days of cost knocked off. The fact is I pay for what I use. If my music CD is defective I get my money back. If a free music website goes down then I have no vested interest in it and cannot hold them liable for it. > [@wolfpup](#): > > I now recall that you occasionally appear in political discussions in the capacity of a right-wing nutjob, so that explains your position that businesses should have absolutely zero accountability to the public they serve, which is a typical right-wing nutjob position. And this explains why you’re completely unhinged over a free service. You expect something for nothing and resort to name calling instead of having a rational conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/67 "2019-05-05T01:07:52Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I’m not a fan. Google is invasive enough without my leaving more data for them. I wipe my browser as clean as I can when I leave. > > Firefox does that automatically when I close it which is why I generally use that over Chrome. I understand. But you still have a plan B option. download your links to a html file and then you can click on them as needed in an emergency. when doing this you would probably need to make another web broswer the default. That’s my plan C. To do this click on Bookmarks, Show All Bookmarks, Import and Backup, Export Bookmarks to HTML. it will default name the file “backups”. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/68 "2019-05-05T01:25:29Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I understand. But you still have a plan B option. download your links to a html file and then you can click on them as needed in an emergency. when doing this you would probably need to make another web broswer the default. Thanks. I have an updated copy of the html file of my bookmarks on my flash drive. I update it periodically. It’s nice to have. But the last time my computer crashed, I started the next one over from scratch. It was oddly freeing to start from a clean slate. As you say though, it’s nice to know there’s a backup, just in case. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/69 "2019-05-05T01:25:46Z")
> [@black\_rabbit](#): > > For those of you who aren’t invested in shitting on the efforts of the open source community, here’s an actual link to the fix: Who said anything negative about the open source community? People were upset at _Mozilla_ for not doing their job and renewing the certificate. Or, at the very least, releasing a patch ahead of time that would prevent the issue. They didn’t do a code quality check. And they’d already had this happen two years ago, so they should be testing for it all the time. It would be stupid to blame the open source community, as if they were all one monolithic entity. For example, all of the recommended alternatives are either open source now or will be soon. I’m not even sure there are any closed-source browsers left. Only Mozilla made this mistake, though. And not for the first time. It makes sense to criticize Mozilla. And, yes, if you were particularly inconvenienced (like you depend on the browser’s functionality for your job), to change to a different web browser. Firefox may be free, but so are the alternatives. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/70 "2019-05-05T01:31:57Z")
just think if ms wanted to it could have appealed a court decision that said it couldn’t block other web browsers from windows and probably won and wed all be using edge like it or not … ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/71 "2019-05-05T01:36:58Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And this explains why you’re completely unhinged over a free service. You expect something for nothing and resort to name calling instead of having a rational conversation. If anyone is “unhinged” in these situation, it is you. To be unhinged is to be disconnected with reality. And you are the one refusing to be rational, spreading nonsense about the idea that it’s wrong to criticize something that is free. (When, in this very thread, you are criticizing the free posts that you are reading.) You even whine about personal attacks while choosing to engage in them. Your first post was a personal attack. You did not try for any sort of rational discussion. And you have, in fact, ignored the people who did make rational rebuttals. There’s also just nothing rational about coming in an telling people they’re wrong to be upset about something. Yeah, it happens all the time here, but it has never resulted in people no longer being angry. It convinces no one, so why do it? Because you just want to express some anger, like everyone else. So don’t try to act like you’re better than any of us. At least **black rabbit** tried to help with the situation. You just wanted to start something. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/72 "2019-05-05T02:50:28Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I did not have studies enabled, and just now went to enable it but I don’t like it being active (I don’t want any data collection from my browsing) and I don’t want to wait hours. > > So I held my nose and clicked a direct link to “the fix” (which is, I guess, an add-on?) and that appears to have fixed my add-ons. > > Direct link to fix, spoilered to protect from accidental clickiing: > > [hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate%40mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi](https://storage.googleapis.com/moz-fx-normandy-prod-addons/extensions/hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate%40mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi) > > I clicked this and crossed my fingers. It said “Firefox has blocked this. Allow?” and I allowed it, and then it appears to have worked. I then promptly disabled Studies. > > If anyone tries it and it causes problems, we can ask a mod to remove the link. > > The above link was presented in the [comments on mozilla’s blog](https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/). Search for “Samuel Vuorela” (he posted it.) He specifically says you don’t need to enable Studies for it to work. Thanks for this. I tried it and I have my add-ons back. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/73 "2019-05-05T02:55:43Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Because you just want to express some anger, like everyone else. So don’t try to act like you’re better than any of us. what anger? What are you talking about? Who am I angry at? My post is the exact opposite of anger. Don’t get upset over [del]spilled milk[/del] free software. That’s not anger, that’s common sense. It’s not a major concept to grasp. It’s FREE. If you don’t like it use one of the other browsers. Believe it or not, I’ve done just that with other free software. I didn’t like it so I moved on to something else. I didn’t have a meltdown of the horror of extra ads popping up while the glitch gets fixed. Don’t click on them if you think their dangerous or switch to another browser. Where is the OMG with this issue? ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/74 "2019-05-05T02:58:07Z")
therea a debate started here ya can argue on as not to derail the thread … [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=875045](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=875045) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/75 "2019-05-05T03:03:46Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Thanks. I have an updated copy of the html file of my bookmarks on my flash drive. I update it periodically. > > It’s nice to have. But the last time my computer crashed, I started the next one over from scratch. It was oddly freeing to start from a clean slate. As you say though, it’s nice to know there’s a backup, just in case. There IS something satisfying about starting a new computer from scratch. When they kill off Windows 7 I’m going to do just that. Buy a new computer and start over. I’ll copy over the bookmarks in a file and fish them out as I need them instead of the 10,000 sites I’ve linked to. They’ll still be there if I truly need them. ---
**Author:** ![Chetumal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@Chetumal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chetumal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/76 "2019-05-05T17:14:12Z")
I am running an older version of FF (version 48) precisely because the newer versions don’t support my favourite add-ons. Now all my add ons are broken. But, I have no options for this “enable studies” thing they are talking about. It’s just not anywhere in either the privacy or security tab, and typing about:studies in the search bar returns an error that says “The address isn’t valid”. Does anyone know what I can do? This is really maddening. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/77 "2019-05-05T18:47:36Z")
Any of these fixes valid for us mobile users? All my addons are unusable on my Android phone. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/78 "2019-05-06T00:23:58Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > Any of these fixes valid for us mobile users? All my addons are unusable on my Android phone. Probably not. I don’t use FF on Android, but from what I read, the Studies feature is only available on the desktop version. Studies allows Firefox to push wee bits of code to desktop users to gather data on how the user base in aggregate is using the browser. They can also use it to push ad-hoc updates without requiring an entirely new release. I’m not familiar with the FF SDLC, but I’m guessing a new release requires extensive rounds of QA testing to ensure that something in the new build doesn’t break. So basically everyone for whom the Studies feature doesn’t work, mobile users included, is going to have to wait for Mozilla to build and test a new point release of the browser for each platform that it runs on. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/79 "2019-05-06T02:19:59Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There IS something satisfying about starting a new computer from scratch. When they kill off Windows 7 I’m going to do just that. Buy a new computer and start over. I’ll copy over the bookmarks in a file and fish them out as I need them instead of the 10,000 sites I’ve linked to. They’ll still be there if I truly need them. you have until January for extended support for “mainstream” support win 7 is all ready dead > **[Lifecycle FAQ - Windows](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/windows)** > > Answers to frequently asked questions about the lifecycle policy for Windows products. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/80 "2019-05-06T02:23:09Z")
> [@Chetumal](#): > > I am running an older version of FF (version 48) precisely because the newer versions don’t support my favourite add-ons. Now all my add ons are broken. But, I have no options for this “enable studies” thing they are talking about. It’s just not anywhere in either the privacy or security tab, and typing about:studies in the search bar returns an error that says “The address isn’t valid”. Does anyone know what I can do? This is really maddening. The fix is only for newer versions. You’ll have to upgrade. > [@Patch](#): > > Any of these fixes valid for us mobile users? All my addons are unusable on my Android phone. They don’t have a fix for mobile yet. It’s only for Mac/Windows. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/81 "2019-05-06T02:32:51Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > They don’t have a fix for mobile yet. It’s only for Mac/Windows. Thanks. I’ve been checking, and the Firefox on my Android tablet is still borked. And in case it got lost in the volume of posts, to the best of my knowledge all or at least most versions of Firefox for Android obey the “xpinstall.signatures.required” switch, accessible through “about:config”. I have it set to “false” and uBlock Origin is working again, though Firefox still warns that it can’t be verified. I’m running uBlock, incidentally, because Adblock Plus seemed to have strange performance impacts on Firefox when initially opening sites. It works fine on my desktop, but I found uBlock far superior on the tablet. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455/82 "2019-05-06T02:33:50Z")
Like I need another reason besides all of the crashes to stop using Firefox. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firefox-you-piece-of-shit/833455.md?page=5)