# Firing Upheld of middle school science teacher / former porn star **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 16, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410 "2013-01-16T18:48:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/1 "2013-01-16T18:48:42Z")
Stacie Halas, a.k.a. “Tiffany Six,” was [removed from her teaching post](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/stacie-halas-porn-actress-teacher_n_2486138.html) when her employment as a porn star became public knowledge at her middle school. Halas’ attorney, Richard Schwab (identified by one letter as [“our attorney”](http://torranceteachers.org/presidentletterrif.pdf) by a local teachers’ union, leading me to wonder if the union was assisting her defense) claimed during the hearing that Halas’ teaching career and porn career never intersected, characterizing her actions as “in the past.” But according to [The Smoking Gun](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/k-12/teacher-porn-stacie-halas-758910): > [@](#): > > In the behind-the-scenes clip, Halas, who used the stage name “Tiffany Six,” is asked by the interviewer whether her film career was “risky.” “It is risky, very risky for me. ‘Cause I am a teacher,” answered Halas, who was then working at a California public school (where she was employed prior to her Oxnard teaching post). > > When asked if she was worried about people learning of her explicit films, she answered, “A little bit.” As for why she did the pornos, Halas answered, “Money, and it’s fun, it’s exciting.” > > The male interviewer, who was questioning a clothed Halas in a backyard, envisioned the day when her students learned of her X-rated canon. “You’ll see it on the young boys’s faces,” he said. While Halas laughed, she noted, “It’s a concern.” > > When the man mentioned a teacher who got into trouble for engaging in sex acts with “young kids,” Halas laughed, “Well, at least I didn’t do the students.” She later added, “I have to say I’m not into the students, though. At least I don’t do that.” After the interviewer remarked that the teacher deserved a trophy (and called one boy’s parents “the biggest cockblockers on earth” for reporting the abuse), Halas laughed heartily and said, “That’s awesome.” The firing is justified. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/2 "2013-01-16T18:51:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The firing is justified. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/3 "2013-01-16T18:53:48Z")
It’s always the cover up that gets you. Still I imagine she would have been an awesome sex ed teacher. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/4 "2013-01-16T18:55:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The firing is justified. I’m not sure I’d say justified, but 100% predictable, to be expected, and pretty much unchallengeable. Dumb teacher. ---
**Author:** ![sweeteviljesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@sweeteviljesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweeteviljesus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/5 "2013-01-16T18:55:47Z")
What, no link to her alleged porn films? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/6 "2013-01-16T18:59:08Z")
I would think that she has an excellent grounds for a lawsuit against the school system. She broke no laws, and frankly, how was her ability to teach impaired by her past employment? Gerry Spence should take this case. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/7 "2013-01-16T19:03:15Z")
I’ve never understood the conservative predilection to underpay teachers, yet hold them to a higher moral standard than anyone else. Remember the good ol’ days when teachers weren’t even allowed to marry? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/8 "2013-01-16T19:03:27Z")
1. Is there a Morality Clause in her contract? 2. Does she need to get approval from the school district before taking a 2nd job? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/9 "2013-01-16T19:05:24Z")
Once these things are known, you lose the respect of everyone you work with. Students, parents, teachers, administrators. You can’t put it back and pretend it never happened. While I think our society takes sexual topics far too seriously, this is one area where it simply wouldn’t work for her to go back to teaching. I’m curious as to why you would think it odd that a union help defend one of their members who was fired. Even if they were fired for cause, the union should be acting as defense counsel and ensure the district prove their case, rather than just stand idly by. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/10 "2013-01-16T19:06:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The firing is justified. I am curious to know your reasoning for this statement. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/11 "2013-01-16T19:08:35Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I am curious to know your reasoning for this statement. It’s legal, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/12 "2013-01-16T19:25:26Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I am curious to know your reasoning for this statement. Maybe because she lied about the acting career and the teaching career never intersecting? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/13 "2013-01-16T19:30:02Z")
**Ludovic** and **RitterSport** (and anyone else willing to chime in), I am simply curious as to Bricker’s reasoning to declare the firing justified. I do not want to speculate on potential reasons and I may find myself agreeing with him. However, he started this thread with a bit more than a link and “Discuss,” but not with much more, and I am curious about his reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/14 "2013-01-16T19:33:35Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I am curious to know your reasoning for this statement. It’s stated in the article cited: “Although her pornography career has concluded, the ongoing availability of her pornographic materials on the Internet will continue to impede her from being an effective teacher and respected colleague,” Cabos-Owen said in the 46-page decision issued Friday by the Commission on Professional Competence. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/15 "2013-01-16T19:45:47Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Once these things are known, you lose the respect of everyone you work with. Then maybe they should have fired everyone else instead. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/16 "2013-01-16T19:59:26Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Then maybe they should have fired everyone else instead. They didn’t debase themselves publicly and make it impossible to teach a class because of it. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/17 "2013-01-16T20:06:32Z")
Kids should not be censored from porn. What a stupid decision ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/18 "2013-01-16T20:12:39Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Once these things are known, you lose the respect of everyone you work with. Students, parents, teachers, administrators. You can’t put it back and pretend it never happened. While I think our society takes sexual topics far too seriously, this is one area where it simply wouldn’t work for her to go back to teaching. I guess. But would you feel the same way if she did something that caused her to loose the respect of her community that wasn’t porn? What if she just slept around a lot, or an angry boyfriend posted obscene pictures of her on the web, or she was caught in the middle of executing some really weird (but legal) fetish. I think pictures of her in some weird furry gangbang taken without her knowledge would cause an equal loss of respect from her students and peers. Would you support her firing then? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/19 "2013-01-16T20:16:42Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Kids should not be censored from porn. What a stupid decision the decision is based on the idea that she has created a permanent distraction within and outside her class and therefore cannot function as a teacher. It’s a reasonable decision. every kid in her class is going to have video’s of her on their phone and pictures of her in their folders. It was a reasoned decision. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410/20 "2013-01-16T20:16:53Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **Ludovic** and **RitterSport** (and anyone else willing to chime in), I am simply curious as to Bricker’s reasoning to declare the firing justified. I do not want to speculate on potential reasons and I may find myself agreeing with him. However, he started this thread with a bit more than a link and “Discuss,” but not with much more, and I am curious about his reasoning. For the record, while I think the word “justified” is a bit odd, most school districts have some sort of “community standards/moral turpitude” clause, and working as a sex worker is generally seen as being against community standards. I don’t think that’s necessarily a good interpretation of the policy, or that sex work should be seen as being in violation of community standards, but as a teacher it’s hardly shocking or unexpected to me. Caesar’s Wife, and all that. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-upheld-of-middle-school-science-teacher-former-porn-star/647410.md?page=2)