# First it was Monopoly, then it was Crayola-When will this massacre end? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 28, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250 "2017-03-28T21:18:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/21 "2017-03-28T23:25:51Z")
Dandelion? Please. It can go. Scarlet is an orange-ish red. Crimson is slightly to the purple. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/22 "2017-03-28T23:51:38Z")
I’m voting to do away with Carnation pink because it represents white male cultural hegemony. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/23 "2017-03-28T23:58:25Z")
Actually, why not white? Does anybody ever actually use that crayon? ---
**Author:** ![Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backwater_Under_Duck)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/24 "2017-03-29T00:46:23Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Burnt umber, I think. That’s an old, old one, though, being retired sometime in the 40s. Perhaps you’re conflating raw umber and burnt sienna. (Or you are referring to one of the original colors.) My Crayola boxes , in the 1950s, had both burnt umber and burnt sienna. They cannot be mixed up in anyone’s memory. Dark brown. Pretty reddish brown. And half of the colors they want to get rid of never appeared in a Crayola box that I ever saw. Let em go. Just bring me back _Flesh_ color. Creamy, pinky flesh. Just like the color of, wait… sorry. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/25 "2017-03-29T01:00:26Z")
> [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](#): > > My Crayola boxes , in the 1950s, had both burnt umber and burnt sienna. They cannot be mixed up in anyone’s memory. Dark brown. Pretty reddish brown. And half of the colors they want to get rid of never appeared in a Crayola box that I ever saw. Let em go. Just bring me back _Flesh_ color. Creamy, pinky flesh. Just like the color of, wait… sorry. [According to this](http://www.crayoncollecting.com/ccolortime.htm) on the Crayola Crayon collector’s site, burnt umber was discontinued in 1949, and not available from 1944-1948. So, I’m right that it was retired “somewhere in the 40s,” although later than I thought (I thought it was in the early 40s.) And you may well have had it in the 50s, because you probably had some old crayons or they didn’t all sell out in 1949. So perhaps Czarcasm is remembering burnt umber, after all, but I thought he was a bit younger than that. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/26 "2017-03-29T01:06:54Z")
> [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](#): > > Just bring me back _Flesh_ color. Creamy, pinky flesh. Just like the color of, wait… sorry. Peach _is_ flesh, with a different name. [Cite](http://mentalfloss.com/article/22405/5-times-crayola-fired-their-crayons). It was renamed for what I think are obvious reasons. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/27 "2017-03-29T02:46:53Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Actually, why not white? Does anybody ever actually use that crayon? Yes. And this is the most popular time of the year for it because if you use a white crayon to draw patterns on a white egg and then dye it, the eggs look like this: [https://www.google.com/search?q=easter+eggs+white+crayon&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJz9vb2PrSAhXrjVQKHfKQBhoQ\_AUIBigB&biw=853&bih=557#spf=1](https://www.google.com/search?q=easter+eggs+white+crayon&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJz9vb2PrSAhXrjVQKHfKQBhoQ_AUIBigB&biw=853&bih=557#spf=1) My guess in indigo is gonna go. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/28 "2017-03-29T02:54:34Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > My guess in indigo is gonna go. Go, go, indigo! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/29 "2017-03-29T02:55:00Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Cerulean absolutely should be the sacrificed crayon. I don’t even know off the top of my head what color it is. I’m going to guess some shade of blue, but I don’t know. Hand me a bunch of random crayons with no labels, and tell me to select the cerulean one, and I’m going to pick something bluish. Fuck you, cerulean! > [@](#): > > …But what you don’t know is that that sweater is not just blue, it’s not turquoise. It’s not lapis. It’s actually cerulean. And you’re also blithely unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves Saint Laurent… wasn’t it who showed cerulean military jackets? I think we need a jacket here. And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. And then it, uh, filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic Casual Corner where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin… – The Devil Wears Prada ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/30 "2017-03-29T03:23:58Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > Yes. And this is the most popular time of the year for it because if you use a white crayon to draw patterns on a white egg and then dye it, the eggs look like this: > [https://www.google.com/search?q=easter+eggs+white+crayon&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJz9vb2PrSAhXrjVQKHfKQBhoQ\_AUIBigB&biw=853&bih=557#spf=1](https://www.google.com/search?q=easter+eggs+white+crayon&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJz9vb2PrSAhXrjVQKHfKQBhoQ_AUIBigB&biw=853&bih=557#spf=1). Yes, and watercolors, too. Still, I find it mostly a pointless crayon when used as an actual crayon, not just as a colorless source of wax to be used as a dye resist. Just sell those separately, I say. (Although my vote is with indigo.) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/31 "2017-03-29T03:26:40Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > My guess in indigo is gonna go. Hello, your name is indigo Crayola. Prepare to die. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/32 "2017-03-29T06:34:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Crayola is permanently retiring one of the colors in the 24-count box.](https://consumerist.com/2017/03/28/crayola-is-getting-rid-of-one-crayon-color-from-its-24-count-box/) Wait – are they adding a new color, or are they cutting it back to a 23-count box? But keeping the price the same, I bet. Just like all the other items in the grocery store that stayed in the same size packages, but now have less product inside them. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/33 "2017-03-29T06:47:18Z")
Screw burnt umber and sienna. My favorite color as a kid was raw umber, and I’m still bitter. I remember that the crayon appeared black, but drew a shade of brown, and that was fascinating. I was a weird kid. The entire concept is a bit trollish. Like, “next week on Star Trek: Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Ensign Steve will go to an uncharted planet… AND ONE WILL DIE! Tune in to see who.” They’re not retiring blue or red unless they’re trying to make a political statement. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/34 "2017-03-29T09:18:44Z")
We didn’t have Crayola where I grew up. Our crayons were made by a company called Regent, or something like that. Though Crayola did reach us eventually, early 80s maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/35 "2017-03-29T11:16:40Z")
There’s too many oranges on that list. Red Scarlet Red Orange Orange - Apricot (pale orange) Yellow Orange Yellow - Dandelion (pale yellow) Yellow Green Green Going the other directions, we have Green Blue Green Blue - Cerulean (pale blue) Indigo Blue violet Violet Violet Red Red Violet Red - Carnation (pale red) Black, White, and Grey are different brightnesses of all the main light waves. Brown is a composite of Red, Blue & Yellow, but it’s awkward trying to mix crayons, so the Brown stays. Scarlet and Orange red are the two closest colors. Indigo & Violet are similar, but Indigo is a distinct range on the colors of the light spectrum identified by Isaac Newton. Indigo is also part of Roy G. Biv’s name. I think Indifo stays. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/36 "2017-03-29T11:59:24Z")
Here are the \*real \* twenty first century colours: [http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg11/Elbowish/IMG\_1834.jpeg](http://s244.photobucket.com/user/Elbowish/media/IMG_1834.jpeg.html) ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/37 "2017-03-29T12:32:04Z")
Midnight Blue used to be in the 64 packs and probably still is. That was a crayon I usually managed to wear down to a nub. I say get rid of one of the violets and replace it with that. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/38 "2017-03-29T14:12:59Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Indigo is a distinct range on the colors of the light spectrum identified by Isaac Newton. Indigo is also part of Roy G. Biv’s name. I think Indifo stays. One the other hand, indigo was kind of forced into the spectrum to line up with the seven notes of the musical scale (and other mystical reasons, from what I remember), and, also, there’s theories that what Newton called “blue,” is what we’d call “cyan,” and what he called “indigo” is what we’d call “blue.” It makes a lot more sense this way to me, to be honest, as there’s not really an intermediate color between blue and violet I see as distinct as the intermediate color between green and blue. So down with indigo! ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/39 "2017-03-29T14:16:48Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > I don’t remember dandelion My reaction upon reading the OP: “Dandelion”?? WTF is dandelion? There is no such color. I remember my childhood well enough to recognize a non-canonical color when I hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/40 "2017-03-29T14:29:16Z")
Can we get rid of blue-violet and replace it with a second black crayon? 90% of the time I pull that one out of a box, I’m looking for black anyways. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250.md?page=3)