# First it was Monopoly, then it was Crayola-When will this massacre end? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 28, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250 "2017-03-28T21:18:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![racer72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/racer72/32/3075_2.png) [@racer72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racer72)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/41 "2017-03-29T15:06:08Z")
My bet is on one of the mixed color named crayons. In the last two changes in crayon colors, Crayola got rid of some of those. I’m thinking yellow-green or blue-violet. As a collector of Crayola crayons, I hope this means a new color will be added to the mix. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/42 "2017-03-29T15:09:52Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Can we get rid of blue-violet and replace it with a second black crayon? 90% of the time I pull that one out of a box, I’m looking for black anyways. [Here ya go.](https://www.amazon.com/Crayola-Regular-Crayon-Single-Refill/dp/B000RF9VGC/ref=pd_sim_328_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000RF9VGC&pd_rd_r=YX80NX63P1A1A04CJ7N1&pd_rd_w=kDd2A&pd_rd_wg=tx2tJ&psc=1&refRID=YX80NX63P1A1A04CJ7N1) I notice that Customers who bought this item also bought _The Coloring Book for Goths_. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/43 "2017-03-29T15:14:58Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > [According to this](http://www.crayoncollecting.com/ccolortime.htm) on the Crayola Crayon collector’s site, burnt umber was discontinued in 1949, and not available from 1944-1948. So, I’m right that it was retired “somewhere in the 40s,” although later than I thought (I thought it was in the early 40s.) And you may well have had it in the 50s, because you probably had some old crayons or they didn’t all sell out in 1949. So perhaps Czarcasm is remembering burnt umber, after all, but I thought he was a bit younger than that. Maybe it’s the Mandela affect, but I swear I remember having Burnt Umber in my Crayons (late 1960s). Maybe I’m confusing Raw Umber and Burnt Sienna. Or perhaps Extreme Unction. That went away, too, as if it never existed. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/44 "2017-03-29T15:30:19Z")
As a kid, the crayon I hated the most was ‘cornflower’. It was a light subtle blue that was too light for drawing lines, and you needed to muscle on a thick waxy layer to get any sort of fill. Waste of a crayon. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/45 "2017-03-29T16:48:42Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > [Here ya go.](https://www.amazon.com/Crayola-Regular-Crayon-Single-Refill/dp/B000RF9VGC/ref=pd_sim_328_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000RF9VGC&pd_rd_r=YX80NX63P1A1A04CJ7N1&pd_rd_w=kDd2A&pd_rd_wg=tx2tJ&psc=1&refRID=YX80NX63P1A1A04CJ7N1) > > I notice that Customers who bought this item also bought _The Coloring Book for Goths_. 🙂 Needs more Vantablack, fulgin, and light black. > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Maybe it’s the Mandela affect, but I swear I remember having Burnt Umber in my Crayons (late 1960s). Maybe I’m confusing Raw Umber and Burnt Sienna. Or perhaps Extreme Unction. That went away, too, as if it never existed. Same. I remember all 4 colors in the late 80s or early 90s. ---
**Author:** ![WildBlueYonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ce7236/32.png) [@WildBlueYonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildBlueYonder)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/46 "2017-03-29T16:50:30Z")
Wait a minute, what happened to Monopoly?? and what about florescent colors? > [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > My reaction upon reading the OP: “Dandelion”?? WTF is dandelion? There is no such color. I remember my childhood well enough to recognize a non-canonical color when I hear it. Yeah what is Dandelion? Never heard of that color! > [@GargoyleWB](#): > > As a kid, the crayon I hated the most was ‘cornflower’. It was a light subtle blue that was too light for drawing lines, and you needed to muscle on a thick waxy layer to get any sort of fill. Waste of a crayon. Sad. I LOVED cornflower color! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/47 "2017-03-29T18:05:24Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Needs more Vantablack, fulgin, and light black. > > Same. I remember all 4 colors in the late 80s or early 90s. I grew up in the 80s, and have no recollection of “burnt umber,” which is what impelled me to check. I remember “raw umber,” “raw sienna,” and “burnt sienna,” but not “burnt umber.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/48 "2017-03-29T18:30:53Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Burnt umber, I think. That’s an old, old one, though, being retired sometime in the 40s. Perhaps you’re conflating raw umber and burnt sienna. (Or you are referring to one of the original colors.) Oops, sorry-got it mixed up with a character I just threw lightning at in the computer game I’m playing. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/49 "2017-03-29T18:44:26Z")
Anything outside of black, white and ROYGBIV are superfluous - banish them all! The world, like 1950’s print advertising, should be in primary colors. [sub]No gray areas![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/50 "2017-03-29T19:18:29Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I grew up in the 80s, and have no recollection of “burnt umber,” which is what impelled me to check. I remember “raw umber,” “raw sienna,” and “burnt sienna,” but not “burnt umber.” As **Just Asking Questions** said, it might be the Mandela effect - a false recognition. I feel like it’s exclusion would’ve been obvious (why not just call it “umber”?), but we could be wrong. I’m not willing to die on that hill. (For the record, of course Mandela lived, and it was always the BerenSTAIN Bears, as that’s how teachers pronounced it). To this day, I refer to that particular shade of blue as “cornflower.” ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/51 "2017-03-29T20:07:02Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Wait – are they adding a new color, or are they cutting it back to a 23-count box? But keeping the price the same, I bet. Just like all the other items in the grocery store that stayed in the same size packages, but now have less product inside them. From the story linked in the OP: > [@](#): > > There will be a new color replacing whichever hue gets the boot, Crayola confirmed to Consumerist, but the company is staying mum for now on what it will be. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/52 "2017-03-29T20:15:17Z")
how about a dried blood color-“Ultraviolent”? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/53 "2017-03-29T20:18:12Z")
Personally I’d probably dump white, but I know that would never fly. So since I don’t like yellows, I’m jumping on the “Dandelion” train. All blues-violets-reds should be preserved. This of course is all pretty high stakes for me, considering I haven’t owned any crayons since 5th grade ;). ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/54 "2017-03-29T20:52:21Z")
Back in the olden days, when wee Dung Beetle and her even wee-er brother settled down to color, we followed this procedure: Step 1- Spread out coloring books Step 2- Dump out the crayons Step 3- Find yellow-green (also known as the ugly crayon) and chuck it into the next room Only then could masterpieces be produced. ---
**Author:** ![wellanuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@wellanuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wellanuff)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/55 "2017-03-29T22:56:15Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Wait – are they adding a new color, or are they cutting it back to a 23-count box? But keeping the price the same, I bet. Just like all the other items in the grocery store that stayed in the same size packages, but now have less product inside them. No, that would be sacrilege. Instead, they are going to make the crayons shorter and thinner, using a less dense material and with a hollow core the size of a pencil lead. They will also be paperless, having no paper wrapper, just the name of the color printed on the side with the same stuff they use to print the m’s and w’s on M&Ms. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/56 "2017-03-30T02:15:31Z")
Whew. For a second I thought you meant it was going to be another online voting thing. And that would be stupid, as a basic color like red or blue would win, easily. I don’t think █Dandelion█ will go, unless they replace it with another darker yellow. That’s all it is: a darker yellow that you can actually see on the page. (It has added red, since adding black gets you something closer to █Olive Green█.) Granted, it is basically the same color as █Goldenrod█, but they say they’re replacing it with a new color, not mixing things around. I think the 24-pack needs a dark yellow. That said, I am going to go look up the colors so I can see which one seems to be a redundancy. That seems to be the pattern from before: colors that already have a similar color around. I think it might even be useful to look at the full set instead of just the 24. Before doing that, though, the one that jumps out at me is █Green Yellow█ and █Yellow Green█. But I’m hoping it’s neither of them, since they are kinda iconic. Though, admittedly, until I went back and added the colors, I didn’t actually remember which was which. \*\*After [looking at the 24 set](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Crayola_crayon_colors#24_pack_Mini_Twistables), my best guess is **Violet Red**. \*\* It doesn’t look like either color in any way, and has the redundancy of **Red Violet** , which does look like a mixture of the two colors. Plus **Violet-Blue** has already been on the chopping block, which is also just a light version of **Blue-Violet**. And there’s already **Magenta** in the main color set, which seems to be the color **Violet Red** is going for. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/57 "2017-03-30T12:10:49Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Though, admittedly, until I went back and added the colors, I didn’t actually remember which was which. The way I always remember is that it’s _adjective noun_, like the usual in the English language. So Yellow Green is a green with added yellow, and Green Yellow is a yellow, tinged with green. Same with the other colors. ---
**Author:** ![racer72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/racer72/32/3075_2.png) [@racer72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racer72)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/58 "2017-03-30T22:43:04Z")
It’s official. Dandelion is taking an extended vacation. Crayola used the word wanderlust. Now I wait for the new color… ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/59 "2017-03-31T01:36:21Z")
Oh, man. Keith Richards and Mick Jagger are NOT going to take this lying down. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOpH_6Aolw) ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250/60 "2017-03-31T01:36:44Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > The way I always remember is that it’s _adjective noun_, like the usual in the English language. So Yellow Green is a green with added yellow, and Green Yellow is a yellow, tinged with green. Same with the other colors. Yes that’s it. IIRC they have or had a “chartreuse” color, but I think of y-g and g-y as the distinction between the two varieties of the [namesake herbal liqueur](https://media2.caskers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/8098fa9a8bdf2c28760c2d2c80a1898c/c/h/chartreuse-liqueur.jpg). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-it-was-monopoly-then-it-was-crayola-when-will-this-massacre-end/783250.md?page=4)