# First use of the Groundhog Day plot device **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 3, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909 "2009-12-03T23:01:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/1 "2009-12-03T23:01:54Z")
(For the extreme spolierphobes out there, if you haven’t seen the movie or have no idea what I mean by a Groundhog Day Episode, please beware of spoilers below.) There are lots of television episodes that follow the basic premise of the movie Groundhog Day — a character or characters relive the same day/time period over and over and over and over again until someone pushes a button, says the right thing, learns the right lesson … I know its evolutionary ancestry has Capra-like roots, but would be surprised if the short-time-period-repetition plot device is as young as Groundhog Day the movie. But I can’t think of an earlier use — can you? (As much as I love the (relative) Board stability, how awesome would it have been if the hamsters glitched and triple-posted the OP?) ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/2 "2009-12-03T23:05:51Z")
Here’s a good place to start: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GroundhogDayLoop](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GroundhogDayLoop) WARNING: TV TROPES LINK. Kiss the rest of your day goodbye. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/3 "2009-12-03T23:16:58Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Here’s a good place to start: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GroundhogDayLoop](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GroundhogDayLoop) > > WARNING: TV TROPES LINK. Kiss the rest of your day goodbye. 😉 Must… resist… ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/4 "2009-12-03T23:47:58Z")
[This film](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098962/) uses the same device and not only preceded _Groundhog_ by 3 years, but was also nominated for an Oscar. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/5 "2009-12-04T00:38:05Z")
A Star Trek: TNG episode is the only one that comes to mind. The number 3 was somehow used to finally break the loop, with Data convincing the Captain to listen to Riker (with the three pips on his uniform) and do something different than the many previous times. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/6 "2009-12-04T00:50:49Z")
I just came in to say that the “[Cause and Effect](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Cause_and_Effect)” episode of TNG is probably the most _popularly_ well-known example to predate Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day was probably already in production when that episode aired in 1992. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/7 "2009-12-04T00:58:09Z")
It’s not exactly the same thing, but similar – Norman Spinrad’s short story “The Weed of Time” features people trapped in a span of time that they are forced to go over and over through. The difference is that they are free to revisit at any point within the allotted stream, and they can’t change their actions – they only get to “watch”. And the span is their entire lives. Weird story. ---
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/8 "2009-12-04T01:51:14Z")
One aspect of the Groundhog Day, which is mentioned at the TV tropes site, is that the story really goes on for a long time. Somewhere around ten years. It would have been interesting to see this have been brought a bit more clearly, because it gives a layer of frustration to the various suicides. As it is, it feels like more like Phil takes his life because he’s experimenting and knows it won’t carry consequence anyhow. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/9 "2009-12-04T02:00:40Z")
> [@cactus\_waltz](#): > > One aspect of the Groundhog Day, which is mentioned at the TV tropes site, is that the story really goes on for a long time. Somewhere around ten years. It would have been interesting to see this have been brought a bit more clearly, because it gives a layer of frustration to the various suicides. As it is, it feels like more like Phil takes his life because he’s experimenting and knows it won’t carry consequence anyhow. I think Word of God said it was actually a couple lifetimes worth of that day, not 10 years. I could be wrong through. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/10 "2009-12-04T02:09:18Z")
There is no real official answer. > [@](#): > > Rubin had also originally envisioned Andie MacDowell’s Rita reliving Groundhog Day with Phil and **wished to portray the pair as being stuck in the time loop for far longer than in the final film, possibly for thousands of years** (Phil tracked time by reading a page of a book each day and had managed to read through the entire public library). **Ramis states on the DVD audio commentary that he believes 10 years passes.** The website Wolf Gnards calculated the time spent as 8 years, 8 months, and 16 days: based on him spending 3 years learning to play the piano, 3 years learning to ice sculpt, 2 years learning French and 6 months learning to throw cards into a hat.[1] However in an e-mail respsonse to Wolf Gnards, **Ramis said “I think the 10-year estimate is too short. It takes at least 10 years to get good at anything, and alloting for the down time and misguided years he spent, it had to be more like 30 or 40 years”** [2] Consequently, the love story was less developed in the original script than in the final movie. There was also a second draft script, which gave an explicit reason for the time loop — a voodoo spell cast by a woman who worked at the television station and was involved with Phil before he rejected her — that did not appear in the final film. Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/11 "2009-12-04T02:46:06Z")
I remember seeing a one-act play in the 70s or 80s where a couple try to pull off a conflict-free family dinner. Every time they hit a snag, they reset. I don’t recall the title. The repitition and the couple’s timing fuel the humor. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/12 "2009-12-04T03:09:11Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > [This film](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098962/) uses the same device and not only preceded _Groundhog_ by 3 years, but was also nominated for an Oscar. It was also based on a short story published in 1973. After a quick look on Wiki and a general Google around, it seems that the earliest work to use a time loop as a plot device may be Malcolm Jameson’s Doubled and Redoubled in 1941. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/13 "2009-12-05T07:45:49Z")
There are lots of television episodes that follow the basic premise of the movie Groundhog Day — a character or characters relive the same day/time period over and over and over and over again until someone pushes a button, says the right thing, learns the right lesson … I know its evolutionary ancestry has Capra-like roots, but would be surprised if the short-time-period-repetition plot device is as young as Groundhog Day the movie. But I can’t think of an earlier use — can you? ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/14 "2009-12-05T07:55:49Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > [This film](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098962/) uses the same device and not only preceded _Groundhog_ by 3 years, but was also nominated for an Oscar. Gee I hate this. Why do people make really interesting shorts. They are so bloody difficult to find. To the OP I really liked Ken Grimwood’s [novel Replay](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_(novel)) which had a similar theme although a different MO. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/first-use-of-the-groundhog-day-plot-device/519909/15 "2009-12-05T08:26:39Z")
> [@Kal](#): > > After a quick look on Wiki and a general Google around, it seems that the earliest work to use a time loop as a plot device may be Malcolm Jameson’s Doubled and Redoubled in 1941. As a plot element (though not the basis for the whole book) we can probably push it back a further ten years to British author Charles Williams. I think it was “Many Dimensions” (1931). The characters get their hands on an artifact which, among other things, allows them to travel in time, but it doesn’t take their whole bodies, just their essence/soul/spirit. Which, of course, being transplanted back into their physical minds at the state they were in in the past, everybody loses all memory of future events, including the fact that they’ve time-travelled at all, and as they move forwards to the point at which they previously decided to travel back in time, inevitably they make the same decision again, leading to a totally infinite loop (absent a Deus Ex Machina which, ISTR, does actually occur)