# Five bodies found in two cars in a lake. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 18, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120 "2013-09-18T02:54:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/41 "2013-09-18T21:14:47Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The thing is, the lake looks to be about 2 miles wide and 6 miles long. Its not a little pond. Just that stretch of road looks to be about 3 miles long.And both vehicles were found side by side. That’s a hell of a coincidence. I wonder how many more cars are in the lake? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/42 "2013-09-18T21:18:46Z")
They were resting comfortably in their grave. Did they just have to disturb a 50 year old grave? A lot of countries consider their fallen friends in sunken ships as graves and those wrecks are off limits to divers. Some things are best left alone. Let the past stay in the past. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/43 "2013-09-18T21:20:30Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > It’s harder than it sounds. Back then, probably no seat belts worn to slow you down. Crank the window and get out. None of the occupants from either vehicle could manage this? Not saying it is impossible but that is what you would call a huge coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/44 "2013-09-18T21:28:27Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > From Google Maps, Highway 44 goes very near the eastern edge of the lake. But there don’t appear to be any sharp curves. Pretty straight road. [In this shot from Google Maps](http://i.imgur.com/mLhS6If.jpg), you can see the two dark spots in the water. ([from here](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Elk+City&hl=en&ll=35.536352,-99.191657&spn=0.002549,0.004801&sll=47.892647,-92.073205&sspn=0.008402,0.019205&oq=elk+city&t=h&hnear=Elk+City,+Beckham,+Oklahoma&z=18)) Also, on [Bing Maps you can see the remnants of a road right there](http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=35.536268~-99.192205&lvl=18&dir=0&sty=h&q=35.535487,-99.192087&form=LMLTCC#Y3A9MzUuNTM2MjY4fi05OS4xOTIyMDUmbHZsPTE4JnN0eT1oJnE9MzUuNTM1NDg3JTI1MkMtOTkuMTkyMDg3). ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/45 "2013-09-18T21:29:35Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They were resting comfortably in their grave. Did they just have to disturb a 50 year old grave? A lot of countries consider their fallen friends in sunken ships as graves and those wrecks are off limits to divers. > > Some things are best left alone. Let the past stay in the past. These sound like the words of a guy that dumped some cars in a lake awhile back. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/46 "2013-09-18T21:32:51Z")
Nah, I wasn’t even born when that first car went into the lake. I was maybe 8 went the other one went in. I’m just thinking of the tremendous pain this will cause the families. These people already grieved 50 years ago. They accepted that their loved ones were dead and moved on with life. Now the wound gets ripped back open? It’s going to be horrible for any surviving family. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/47 "2013-09-18T21:33:57Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The thing is, the lake looks to be about 2 miles wide and 6 miles long. Its not a little pond. Just that stretch of road looks to be about 3 miles long.And both vehicles were found side by side. That’s a hell of a coincidence. I think that’s gravity and currents. They were also found way on the east side of the lake, where the currents head and the water’s deeper, and it’s possible to drive off the highway into kind of deep lake.[sup]1[/sup] > [@Locah](#): > > [This](http://kfor.com/2013/09/17/officials-crews-pull-cars-from-foss-lake-possibly-connected-to-1970-cold-case/) article states that the two disappearances were about a year apart. That makes it seem a little less random. The news reports agree that the Camaro went missing in November of 1970. I’d bet money that’s the car, those are the kids, and it was driver error. The other car I’ve seen reports that it went missing in ‘the early 60’s’ and that that woman’s father went missing in 1969. The only tie from the 1969 guy to the car is the woman swearing it’s got to be her grandfather. She could very easily be wrong. Her father, the guy’s son, admittedly has dementia, but didn’t recognize the car. > [@wguy123](#): > > Back then, probably no seat belts worn to slow you down. Crank the window and get out. None of the occupants from either vehicle could manage this? Not saying it is impossible but that is what you would call a huge coincidence. Maybe hitting the lake hard injured them or knocked them out. Plus, Mythbusters has covered that it’s really hard to unroll windows once you’re under water. [sup]1[/sup] My cite for this is that [this news video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iZFs0qaKKQ) matches [this](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=foss+lake+oklahoma&ll=35.535738,-99.194312&spn=0.00129,0.001725&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Foss+Reservoir&t=h&z=19) part of the lake, and the east edge of the lake (highway 44) is [actually a dam that’s 142 feet tall](http://www.usbr.gov/projects/Project.jsp?proj_Name=Washita%20Basin%20Project). Since it’s obvious from google it’s not that high above ground, it must go down deep. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/48 "2013-09-18T22:27:15Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > [In this shot from Google Maps](http://i.imgur.com/mLhS6If.jpg), you can see the two dark spots in the water. ([from here](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Elk+City&hl=en&ll=35.536352,-99.191657&spn=0.002549,0.004801&sll=47.892647,-92.073205&sspn=0.008402,0.019205&oq=elk+city&t=h&hnear=Elk+City,+Beckham,+Oklahoma&z=18)) > Also, on [Bing Maps you can see the remnants of a road right there](http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=35.536268~-99.192205&lvl=18&dir=0&sty=h&q=35.535487,-99.192087&form=LMLTCC#Y3A9MzUuNTM2MjY4fi05OS4xOTIyMDUmbHZsPTE4JnN0eT1oJnE9MzUuNTM1NDg3JTI1MkMtOTkuMTkyMDg3). _That’s_ pretty darned interesting! I wonder how many years those dark spots have been visible on google maps? (Has it been confirmed that those dark spots are the cars?) So there’s a dirt road with a hairpin turn. I can imagine someone coming from the bottom of the frame too fast and launching into the water just about where those dark spots are. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/49 "2013-09-18T23:10:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > _That’s_ pretty darned interesting! I wonder how many years those dark spots have been visible on google maps? (Has it been confirmed that those dark spots are the cars?) > > So there’s a dirt road with a hairpin turn. I can imagine someone coming from the bottom of the frame too fast and launching into the water just about where those dark spots are. The road appears to end. Might have been a dock or something there years ago or maybe the lake just cut the road off and it faded out of existence. But if that’s the correct location then Bob Ducca pretty much solved it. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/50 "2013-09-18T23:18:16Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The thing is, the lake looks to be about 2 miles wide and 6 miles long. Its not a little pond. Just that stretch of road looks to be about 3 miles long.And both vehicles were found side by side. That’s a hell of a coincidence. Might not be if there’s a current and it pushed both up against some underwater obstacle. Eventually, everything not floating or anchored will end up at the same place no matter where it entered the water. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/51 "2013-09-18T23:39:13Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > [Black Water](http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Water_%28episode%29). Thanks Duckie… ---
**Author:** ![picunurse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@picunurse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picunurse)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/52 "2013-09-19T00:03:55Z")
It’s not really a new occurence. A [car was found in Lake Crescent](http://www.boydski.com/diving/dives/warren_wreck.htm), in the Olympic rain forest 75 years after the couple didn’t return from a shopping trip to buy a washing machine. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/53 "2013-09-19T00:10:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m going with serial killer. It can’t be a coincidence. This was the very first thing that crossed my mind. Dumping grounds. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/54 "2013-09-19T01:25:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The road appears to end. Might have been a dock or something there years ago or maybe the lake just cut the road off and it faded out of existence. But if that’s the correct location then Bob Ducca pretty much solved it. Repeats of something like this incident maybe? [http://bangordailynews.com/2013/07/24/news/down-east/2-women-found-dead-in-submerged-car-down-east/](http://bangordailynews.com/2013/07/24/news/down-east/2-women-found-dead-in-submerged-car-down-east/) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Vorlon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@The\_Vorlon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Vorlon)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/55 "2013-09-19T02:11:27Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > [In this shot from Google Maps](http://i.imgur.com/mLhS6If.jpg), you can see the two dark spots in the water. ([from here](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Elk+City&hl=en&ll=35.536352,-99.191657&spn=0.002549,0.004801&sll=47.892647,-92.073205&sspn=0.008402,0.019205&oq=elk+city&t=h&hnear=Elk+City,+Beckham,+Oklahoma&z=18)) > Also, on [Bing Maps you can see the remnants of a road right there](http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=35.536268~-99.192205&lvl=18&dir=0&sty=h&q=35.535487,-99.192087&form=LMLTCC#Y3A9MzUuNTM2MjY4fi05OS4xOTIyMDUmbHZsPTE4JnN0eT1oJnE9MzUuNTM1NDg3JTI1MkMtOTkuMTkyMDg3). Here is another puzzle piece: the water is MUCH higher in the bing photo, note how much wider the beaches are in the google photo that shows two dark splotches. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/56 "2013-09-19T03:14:04Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The road appears to end. Might have been a dock or something there years ago or maybe the lake just cut the road off and it faded out of existence. > [@The\_Vorlon](#): > > Here is another puzzle piece: the water is MUCH higher in the bing photo, note how much wider the beaches are in the google photo that shows two dark splotches. I thought there was a switchback based on the google map. I see now that it’s just the beach. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/57 "2013-09-19T04:51:30Z")
Hot Dog! A chance to get a low-miles First Generation Camaro! ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/58 "2013-09-19T05:58:38Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > Repeats of something like this incident maybe? > > [http://bangordailynews.com/2013/07/24/news/down-east/2-women-found-dead-in-submerged-car-down-east/](http://bangordailynews.com/2013/07/24/news/down-east/2-women-found-dead-in-submerged-car-down-east/) Could have been a favorite vacation spot for Ted Kennedy. too soon? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/59 "2013-09-19T06:34:54Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > If I’m a movie screenwriter, I take this scenario and run with it. What a chilling scene! https://www.youtube.com/embed/04cbvdiPyMQ?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque …its not about cars, but when you see the ending (its in three parts) you will know why I posted it. 😃 One of the best bits of horror ever put on film. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120/60 "2013-09-19T12:16:01Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > [In this shot from Google Maps](http://i.imgur.com/mLhS6If.jpg), you can see the two dark spots in the water. ([from here](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Elk+City&hl=en&ll=35.536352,-99.191657&spn=0.002549,0.004801&sll=47.892647,-92.073205&sspn=0.008402,0.019205&oq=elk+city&t=h&hnear=Elk+City,+Beckham,+Oklahoma&z=18)) That is the second creepiest real photo I’ve seen on the Dope. FWIW, the first was that one of the serial killers brunette victim cowering in too-large shoes, in a wrecked building, shortly before her death. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-bodies-found-in-two-cars-in-a-lake/669120.md?page=4)