# Five Milton Academy Students Sacked For "Sex" With 15-Year Old **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 25, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864 "2005-02-25T13:51:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/1 "2005-02-25T13:51:45Z")
## Five students (memebers of the varsity hockey team at the prestigious Milton (MA) Academy, were expelled, following revelations that they had receieved oral sex from a 15 year old female student. The girl was not expelled. I think this is blatantly unfair…didn’t no less a moral authority as the President of the USA proclaim that a BJ was “not sex”? Plus, all of the particiapants were minors, so no sex, no statutory rape, no nothing. I think it sends a very BAD message to our youth-these acts were: -totally voluntary -not coerced in any way -pleasurable to the participants Plus, kids today are bombarded with sexual advertsing…afteryou’ve seen Britney Spears gyrating around in a thong, and shopped in A & F for jeans, you’ve pretty much seen everything. What say you all?I think its time toacknowledge that: -many 15 year olds are capable of thinking for themselves -it is unealistic to expect kids wth raging hormons to control themseleves -and finally, nobody got preganat, so what’s the issue? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/2 "2005-02-25T14:15:40Z")
So you say they can think for themselves, but can’t control themselves? Maybe you should pick one of these two arguments, and run with it. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/3 "2005-02-25T14:27:53Z")
Is this the first thread on this? It’s been big news for over a week. (I’m in MA, though, so maybe it’s not nationally known.) The school is private. They can do what they like. The parents that pony up the money for a school of that quality do so because they want to insulate their kids from such behaviours. Also, don’t forget that the school knows more about what’s going on than the rest of us. Maybe the boys had behavior problems in the past. There could be circumstances that we don’t know about. It doesn’t seem like a crime was committed, but the whole thing seems shady to me. The boys ranged in age from 16-18. There were five of them. The girl was only 15. I wonder how consentual it actually was. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/4 "2005-02-25T14:39:51Z")
I was once a 15-year old male with raging hormones, and I managed to control myself, so I question your assertion that expecting these young men to be able to do the same is “unrealistic.” That said, if it was completely consentual, I would expect the girl to be disciplined equally with the boys. But like **debaser** , I’m willing to admit that the school has a better handle on what actually happened than you or I do. ---
**Author:** ![Can\_Handle\_the\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Can\_Handle\_the\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Can_Handle_the_Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/5 "2005-02-25T14:40:41Z")
I viewed this thread because I thought the title was “Five Million…” ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/6 "2005-02-25T14:44:14Z")
Given the information we have from this thread, I’d say six students should have been disciplined, or none. But I’m sure there’s a \*lot \* more information than what we have here, which drove the school’s decision. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/7 "2005-02-25T15:10:05Z")
Don’t you know? Prep school is the time for _homo_sexual experimentation. -stonebow, proud Deerfield Academy graduate and now fully heterosexual ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/8 "2005-02-25T15:21:26Z")
As I heard the rationale on the radio yesterday, the school says that since 5 boys were involved (consecutively in one session was the impression I got), then _ipso facto_ it was not consensual, as the numbers meant there was implicit coercion at the least. Not agreeing, just reporting. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/9 "2005-02-25T15:32:35Z")
A 15 year-old girl can’t consent. And since when is the POTUS a “moral authority?” ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/10 "2005-02-25T15:36:36Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > A 15 year-old girl can’t consent. > > And since when is the POTUS a “moral authority?” Can a 15 year old boy consent? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/11 "2005-02-25T15:39:20Z")
I heard that the locker room, in which the fellatio took place, was accessable via a locked door. The only way you coukld enter was if you had a 4-digit key code. The girl did enter (someone had supplied the code to her), and proceeded with the acts described. My question: she entered the locker room , knowing full well that the boy’s locker room was OFF LIMITS to girls. So how could the boys be accused of coercion? I think the school should have had an adult present, but that’s upto Milto Academy. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/12 "2005-02-25T15:50:33Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Can a 15 year old boy consent? Not legally. But all these guys were over 16 anyway, weren’t they? I also think there’s something a little disturbing about five boys gang banging an underage girl in a locker room. This isn’t exactly a case of young love. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/13 "2005-02-25T15:56:57Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Not legally. > > But all these guys were over 16 anyway, weren’t they? And? Isn’t the AoC in Massachusetts 18? Looks like a case of mutual rape to me. > [@](#): > > I also think there’s something a little disturbing about five boys gang banging an underage girl in a locker room. This isn’t exactly a case of young love. Maybe, but so what? ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/14 "2005-02-25T16:14:56Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I heard that the locker room, in which the fellatio took place, was accessable via a locked door. The only way you coukld enter was if you had a 4-digit key code. The girl did enter (someone had supplied the code to her), and proceeded with the acts described. My question: she entered the locker room , knowing full well that the boy’s locker room was OFF LIMITS to girls. So how could the boys be accused of coercion? I think the school should have had an adult present, but that’s upto Milto Academy. I don’t know exactly what happened ( other than that the school’s investigation found that the boys “requested and received” oral sex from the girl) , but please explain to me exactly how the fact that she entered the locker room voluntarily _in itself_ means there’s no coercion? If they had asked for and received her all of her money in similar circumstances , would you be certain it was a gift? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/15 "2005-02-25T16:25:02Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > And? Isn’t the AoC in Massachusetts 18? Looks like a case of mutual rape to me. According to [this site](http://www.mafamily.org/StatutoryRape.htm) the age of consent in Massachusetts is 16. > [@](#): > > Maybe, but so what? So it carries an inherent suggestion of coercion. Five older males surrounding an underage girl and asking for blow jobs is inherently intimidating and coercive (IMO). And if they were of age and she was not, then what is the issue here? ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/16 "2005-02-25T16:31:49Z")
Dear Penthouse, you’ll never guess what happened to me in the lockerroom…! I agree this is a private insititution and they can do whatever they want (especially since they probably have rules for this). Doesn’t mean I can’t point and laugh (since it looks like everything was consensual – notice the lack of a t in that word, btw). ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/17 "2005-02-25T16:37:52Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > And? Isn’t the AoC in Massachusetts 18? Looks like a case of mutual rape to me. According to the Boston Globe article, the age of consent appears to be 16, so it does not appear to be a case of mutual statutory rape. Depending on how the Mass. laws are written, it’s possible that it’s a case of forcible rape. It certainly is sufficient reason for a _private_ school to expel students, if that’s what the school chooses to do. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/18 "2005-02-25T16:40:42Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > According to [this site](http://www.mafamily.org/StatutoryRape.htm) the age of consent in Massachusetts is 16. Fair enough, I stand corrected. > [@](#): > > So it carries an inherent suggestion of coercion. Five older males surrounding an underage girl and asking for blow jobs is inherently intimidating and coercive (IMO). Sure, but it’s not a stretch that the girl came in there knowing what she was going to do ahead of time. > [@](#): > > And if they were of age and she was not, then what is the issue here? None. If it’s illegal, it’s illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/19 "2005-02-25T19:13:02Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I also think there’s something a little disturbing about five boys gang banging an underage girl in a locker room. This isn’t exactly a case of young love. Too bad that is not what happened. You should know the at least some of the facts of a story before you comment on it. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > So it carries an inherent suggestion of coercion. Five older males surrounding an underage girl and asking for blow jobs is inherently intimidating and coercive (IMO). Yes, it would be. But this is not what happened. You should probably base your arguments on the actual facts of the case. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/20 "2005-02-25T19:53:44Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > Too bad that is not what happened. You should know the at least some of the facts of a story before you comment on it. > Yes, it would be. But this is not what happened. You should probably base your arguments on the actual facts of the case. What, exactly, are the facts of the case? According to the Boston Globe article, the school’s investigation found that the five boys “requested and received oral sex” from the girl, and a school spokeswoman said “’'No school likes to think it’s at the end of its options, [but] the boys should have understood that a five-to-one situation is by definition pressurized and coercive, and you can’t assume there’s anything mutual about it” Now perhaps the boys didn’t literally form a circle with the girl in the middle, but the situation is inherently intimidating and coercive whether they literally surrounded her, were standing in a group that included her as part of a rough circle, or were standing next to each other and facing her. The intimidation and coercion comes from the five-on-one situation, not from the precise placement of the bodies. When a five-on-one situation is planned ( and I’m not saying this one was ) the whole point of outnumbering is to eliminate choice on the part of the one. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864.md?page=2)